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Gimme Moses over Wade 7 days a week
Gimme Moses over Wade 7 days a week
No case can be made for Kobe in the top 5, he's a stretch for top 10. Shaq would have a very tough time cracking the top 5.
Jordan, magic, KAJ as top 3
Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem and Moses in the next tier
Lebron closing in fast on the next tier with a very remote chance of joining the top 3
Wilt, Russell and Oscar some where in there depending on your view of the old times.
That's top 12.
It's very easy to make a case for Kobe in the top 5.
"He's a stretch for top 10"......
No Kobe in your top 12? Strong IQ
(thinks about it for a second)
Kobe's not in my top 10 either. I take Lebron and Julius Erving over him, tbh.
I'd take both those players too over Duncan if I was staring a team tbh
Well their greatness resides on being World class athletes on that Era, being ahead of their time. You can't compare players from different eras but you can compare the level of dominance of said players in their respective eras. That's why Russell and Wilt should be on everybody's all-time top ten list, probably top five too.
Tough to make a case for Kobe over any of the players in my list. Would like to hear your viewpoints on it.It's very easy to make a case for Kobe in the top 5.
"He's a stretch for top 10"......
No Kobe in your top 12? Strong IQ
if kirby is top5 for being 2nd bananas for 5 of his rings...wheres fkn horry or kerr on that list?
depends on what kind of list we are talking about.
if its a top 10 list for career accomplishments, absolutely.
if its a top 10 list for best basketball players ever, they have no business being in there.
yeah where the is Moses on this list? he has no business being behind Pippen, McHale, Dirk, Malone, or Wade.
There's definitely at least 10/13 guys that have a case for being over Kobe in the all-time list, only homers like you can think that Kobe not being on a top ten all-time list could be laughable.It's very easy to make a case for Kobe in the top 5.
"He's a stretch for top 10"......
No Kobe in your top 12? Strong IQ
I don't have Shaq at #4 all times nor Kobe but they are top ten. I have a problem with 3 in the top four but I agree with you on the other two, no doubt that is a joke! Pippen is not top 20 all times and Mchale surely is not. Magic is high though and Kareem no doubt, have no problem but MJ at where he is at on the list is laughable. Wade is not on there IMO either, no he is not top 20 all times.
Dude's tenure as a rocket must have counted against his legend imho.
Crazy list. MJ #1 is obvious. Kareem should be much higher. Really you have to distinguish between career and peak value when comparing players. Duncan had a better more productive career than Shaq, but in terms of peak value Shaq is slightly higher.
I don't think any player that couldn't win MVP + Finals MVP in the same season can be argued in the top 8-9, tbh..
It's the pinnacle of dominance in the NBA..
Kobe has a legit argument for top 10 and is a lock in the top 12 but there is no way he is top 5 all-time. Only deluded Lakerfan thinks this. Be happy that you guys have 2 players almost unanimously ranked as top 3 all-time with Shaq somewhere in the 6-10 range. Stop blindly trying to prop Kobe up, dude has numerous stains on his legacy and missed the playoffs in his prime. He is at least #12 all-time, why is that not good enough for Lakerfan?
If you look at the greatest Finals performances of the past 30 years, Wade is up there with the best. Guess who isn't?
Prime Tim was a PF unlike prime Shaq. Two different roles, different areas on the court, and had they played together we'd still be counting peats.
Which one are we talking about? Anything other than '05-'06 I presume?
The author knew what he was doing and got the desired respons(es)...if he would've come out with another 1. Michael, 2. Magic, 3. Russell list everyone would've yawned and moved on.
His one saving grace is keeping that bible-beating, playoff-choking coat-tailer off the list.
That article had potential but it quickly went south when Shaq was ranked ahead of Jordan. I can see a case for Magic but Shaq has no business sitting at # 2. But we all know the writers intentions are crystal clear. It was made to create buzz and attention.
Moving on, Kobe's not a Top 5 player. I supported Kobe through thick and thin, but he's a # 8 at best but is more likely a Top 10 IMO. His lack of Regular Season MVP hurts him, true but I don't think it should be counted against him. Shaq absolutely dominated his era but he never took more than 1 MVP throughout his career, Nash has 2. You get the point. But during Kobe's absolute peak, he won back to back scoring les, Back to back Final MVP's and Championships and an Olympic Gold Medal, that 5 year run was fruitful, it totally removed a few figurative monkeys from his back. His peak was never the strongest, but there's no shame in that because it was a great success.
While the advanced statistics never much favored Kobe, it is his relentless desire to be the best and his mental toughness to come through in the most difficult of cir stances that warrants his place in the top 10 of all time. There's a reason why his peers, contemporaries, scouts, GM's and reputable Sports publications (ESPN, Sports Illustrated) named him player of the decade.
I'm well aware of his deficiency, particularly in his shooting selection which has been the achilles heel of his career (no pun) but he also has a couple of historical landmarks and surpassed the accomplishments by some of the greats that came before him to compensate that. Kobe belongs in Top 10 list, if you grew up in this era and you fully don't appreciate his work, or ignore the best basketball minds that rewards him for being one of the best, then you're not being honest to yourself.
1-Jordan
2-Wilt
3-Magic
4-Bird
5-Kareem
6-Russell
7-Lebron
8-Shaq
9-Duncan
10-Hakeem
There you have ten players better than Kobe off the top of my head. If I do some research I'm sure numbers will suggest that guys like Moses Malone and Oscar Robertson should be ahead of him too.
'11 against the Mavs when Lebron went MIA.
http://www.sporcle.com/games/RadShad...he-same-season
Add Russell, Wilt and Robertson to this list and you have your top 13.
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