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I dunno, does that fat got Bill Conlin still have a vote?
Right hand pitcher Greg Maddux could be the first player in Baseball
Hall of Fame voting ballots to receive a vote from every voting member. No
other player but Tom Seaver at 98.84% has come that close to 100%. Their are some
voters that have said that Babe Ruth and TY Cobb was not voted in at 100%
why should anyone else get all the votes. Greg was the best pitcher in his
time. Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez was the only one who was a good at the
same period. I'm not a Braves fan but Greg was just damm good..
I dunno, does that fat got Bill Conlin still have a vote?
He is not a baseball writer anymore. After all the sexually abusing charges, I can't believe that MLB
would let him near a ballot.
No way. There's always some jackass who thinks the Hall is for the 1% of the 1% of players or who has an agenda against this generation of players, or disliked the athlete as a person or interview, or too heavily favors postseason success.
I can see him setting the record, but all of this will keep him from unanimous.
if they used the foxzone gred would not be all that
he pitched outside a lot but got the calls
Greg was always a control pitcher. He was never a strong power pitcher even
when he was young. He would work the corners unlike other pitchers. All
the hitters knew that he would be around the plate corners so much
that hitters were always swing at pitches that were not strikes...
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I'd agree with this if you were talking about Tom Glavine, but I disagree that Maddux wouldn't be as successful. Nobody has ever painted the corners better than Maddux, and I can't recall a pitcher ever making batters look as foolish as Maddux did.
Glavine got the most benefit from an expanded strike zone based purely on his stubbornness to continually pitch outside to right handed batters, no matter what the count was or how many runners were on base.
Is that the asshole who didn't vote for Nolan Ryan? smh
lol MLB sportswriters
Dodgers beat writer Ken Gurnick for MLB.com left all PED Era players off his ballot.
Like I said, there's always agenda pushers.
Nope on 100%
That's what happens in a profession (sportswriter) where historically there is little accountability.
Absurd. There were many players before Maddux who deserved 100% of the vote -- I'm not sure how anyone can actually justify a belief that Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays, and Ted Williams (to name just a few) aren't absolutely the greatest of the great and will always and forever be considered to be among that class. But if you subscribe to the belief that PED's radically changed performance (and, particularly, offensive performance) to a point of illegitimacy, I'm not sure how you can look at Maddux -- who has never, to my knowledge, been linked to PEDs beyond a su ion that some of his teammates used -- and not think he's one of the greatest pitchers ever, since he was putting up absurd numbers against juiced up hitters.
It's like saying that the co-workers of a suspected murderer should be treated like murderers.
And, oh yeah, Gurnick voted for Jack Morris, who did play for at least 6 seasons in the steroid era (given the consensus that the A's were pretty clearly juiced up by the late 80's and the problem just got worse after that).
Baseball Hall of Fame voting is completely broken.
I agree 100%.
The players like Maddux, Pedro, Randy Johnson never linked to steroids who won multiple Cy Youngs, set records, putting up absurd pitching numbers in dominantly hitter-friendly parks in a hitter-friendly era vs. 50-60% roided up lineups are maybe the most tested and true stats in the sports history, since they played vs. the best of every race in much small ballparks.
It's really some of the most impressive feats ever.
Now Gurnick is saying he'll abstain from all votes going forward, but felt this was his chance to make a political statement.
HOF voters should be voir dire'd every 3 years.
Can you vote on the facts?
Opinions without substantive argument cost you your vote.
Even without going unanimous, it appears that there's a really good chance that Maddux tops Seaver's election percentage and might even top 99%.
Oh the irony of Gurnick's stance...esp when Tom House confided that juicing was a part of the baseball life even in the early part of the 70s. Maddux will probably be the highest elected but the politics behind the voting is per usual re ed.
Maddux, Glavine, and Big Hurt
Biggio -- 74.8%
Palmeiro now ensures that not ALL guys with 3,000 hits or 500 home runs (who are not presently banned from baseball) will be in the Hall of Fame. We knew that was coming, but he would appear to be officially excluded from the Hall of Fame.
Maddux topped the list with 97.2 percent
Glavine (91.9)
Thomas (83.7)
You have to be on 75% on the ballots
Missing the cut were
Biggio (74.8)
Mike Piazza (62.2)
Jack Morris (61.5)---last chance in voting
Jeff Bagwell (54.3)
Tim Raines (46.1)
On the roids vote
Clemens 35.4%
Bonds received 34.7%
I think both of those guys deserve to be in- Bonds without a doubt- even when you take away the obvious steroid-fueled second acts of their careers.
Biggio, Bagwell, Morris, and Raines are worthy of the HOF. Piazza, on the other hand, was always rumoured of being dirty. I don't blame the voters for being hesitant about voting him in.
16 voters left Maddox of their ballot but they voted for JT Snow, Jacque Jones, Rogers, Nomo. One voter
MLB.com's Ken Gurnick said , I just excluded everybody from the Steroid Era. "I just don't know who did and who didn't."
That's the kind of voters they have . Dan Leba of ESPN who has a show with his dad, gave his vote to
the readers of Deadspin. It's time to pull the vote of all the voters and start over. There is just too many knuckleheads
with a vote who don't deserve one........
Stupid Ken Gurnick...still votes for Morris who finished his career in '94...eh, Maddux still got in comfortably and I'm sure he is fine with that.
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