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Intelligent Design <> religious Creationism
I'll be fighting to keep religion out of schools.
Intelligent Design <> religious Creationism
This is very simply explained. For some of us, its not an all or nothing situation.
For some you are with them, or against them.
"Intelligent Design <> religious Creationism"
They have the same goal: to present their beliefs as The Single, Universal Truth, to question, and to oppose the huge amount of evidence and the explanatory/predictive power of evolutionary theory.
Once ID is accepted in schools, the door will be open for RC, paganism, witchcraft, Buffy Vampirism, zoroasterism, astrology, and any other half-baked that those groups "believe" must be presented in schools as The Truth.
beliefs <> science
Intelligent Design does not try to go against Evolution. It incorporates evolution.
That being said, there is no evidence for ID, and I don't see a reason it should be included in the courses based on that alone.
I believe in the Golden Rule.
n/m ... I read that wrong.
"Intelligent Design does not try to go against Evolution. It incorporates evolution."
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
"The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion."
that "scientific disagreement" does very much go against the theory of biological evolution.
Not really. It incorporates evolution. It says that evolution wasn't random chance, but that it was designed, but it doesn't go against it.
Its like saying if I drop the ball from here it will land here. That statment doesn't imply gravity doesn't exsist, but that the drop was planned.
Exactly, but I don't know how that goes against evolution. If the current situation had been planned to play out the way it has, wouldn't evolution still have occured?
Intelligent Design is Philosophy. If your High School has a Philosophy elective and they teach ID, so be it. It doesn't belong in Science Class any more than a study of Early Roman History belongs in Algebra.
My Philosophy is that religion doesn't belong in schools but the study of religion is okay.
"comparative religion", religion from various academic angles, history of world religion(s), the role of religion in world history, etc, is fine, but mostly those are mostly college subjects.
'and God planned everything "
... is a belief in super-natural phenomenon, is usually a religious belief, and with attendant political stance by the believer that his God and his religion are the best, even th only, or at very least better than everybody else's.
... is not science, is not philosophy.
But if you get to pick and choose what you want to believe out of what he said, how useful can it be? You might as well make up your own "guide". Not to mention that everything Jesus taught was derived from the idea that he was the Son of God. All of his teachings were based off that underlying principle. Besides, if the writers of the Bible lied about Jesus, maybe they made the rest of it up too.
This just seems to be a position people take to try to appease Christians without actually having to agree with them. If I didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God, I definitely wouldn't live my life by what he said. Then he'd be just another man, and thus fallible.
Does the bible have every word uttered by Jesus Christ?
If a crazy man on the street tells me that he is the son of god, but tells mis mantra which is one I believe in, does that mean I can't believe in his mantra?
Yeah, I just compared Jesus to a crazy man.
If Christ were infallible, Judas never would have made the cut.
What difference does it make if it has every word he spoke? I don't see how that relates to the discussion at hand.Does the bible have every word uttered by Jesus Christ?
If a crazy man on the street tells me that he is the son of god, but tells mis mantra which is one I believe in, does that mean I can't believe in his mantra?
Yeah, I just compared Jesus to a crazy man.
If his mantra is based on being God, it's kind of strange to believe his teachings without believing him. And in your example the crazy man is articulating something you already believe in. Thus his "mantra" is simply an expression of something you already think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would assume that you see the Bible as something that can teach you and help you understand new things. Two totally unrelated situations.
And he would never have gotten the crap kicked out of him. And he never would have died. Right? Wrong. Judas was there for a reason, Jesus knew he would be betrayed before Judas ever sold him out (the Last Supper). According to the Bible, it was all part of God's plan.
The way I see it is that Judas was part of the plan (not very fair to Judas, though).
gene sequencing isn't a philosophy nor are the nano pumps and valves and engines of the cell; and, they aren't explained by natural selection or evolution. There are some fairly level-headed scientists out there that are seeing things not available to, or explained by, Darwin and they're wondering how the heck it happened. Non-theistic Intelligent Design is a working theory...not a philosophy.
Flat earth is a "working theory" in that there is evidence of it "see the earth looks flat, so how can you say it is round?"
If all one does is look at the horizon, one might agree, but the weight of evidence points to a better theory, that the earth is more of a semi-flattened sphere.
If you piled up all the evidence for this "working theory" and stacked it up against the evidence that supports random evolution over billions of years, it would look like a mouse trying to topple an elephant.
The weight of evidence leads a reasonable person to conclude that the process of random evolution over billions of years has led to the current forms of life on our planet.
"Intelligent design" is yet another code-word used by people who want to shove the version of the bible they agree with down everybody elses throat. To pretend anything else is less than intellectually honest.
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