Bucks: Is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar the most underrated player of all time?

[LkrFan]

No. He's listed as probably in the top 5 all time. He played too long for the short attention span crowd who thinks a person's worth is dictated by their peak, not by the body of their work.

By your logic, Tammy barely cracks the top 100 - for bigs. -10 points, farmer.

[LkrFan]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=170340

Regular season – 1969-70

1. Date: Fri 10/24/69
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 9-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 23 pts, 20 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 9-21 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1970-71

2. Date: Fri 11/20/70
- Chamberlain 28 pts, 23 rebs, 3 as, 10 blocks, 7-20 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 13 rebs, 0 as, 2 blocks, 13-32 FG/FGA W

3. Date: Mon 12/21/70
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 2 blocks, 11-23 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 0 as, 4 blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA W

4. Date: Fri 02/05/71
- Chamberlain 14 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 6 blocks, 7-10 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA L

5. Date: Thu 02/11/71
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 11 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 21 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 13-30 FG/FGA – 2 blocks against Wilt W

6. Date: Wed 03/03/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 13 rebs, 5 as, 8 blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 15 pts, 6 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 7-21 FG/FGA W

Post season – 1970-71 – WCF playoffs

7. Date: Fri 04/09/71
- Chamberlain 22 pts, 20 rebs, 1 as, 8 blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA – 3 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 32 pts, 22 rebs, 1 as, 1 blocks, 14-30 FG/FGA W

8. Date: Sun 04/11/71
- Chamberlain 26 pts, 22 rebs, 0 as, 3 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA - Wilt blocked numerious shots L
-Abdul-Jabbar 22 pts, 10 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W

9. Date: Wed 04/14/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 24 rebs, 3 as, 3 blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 19 rebs, 6 as, 0 blocks, 8-16 FG/FGA L

10.Date: Fri 04/16/71
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 16 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 7-14 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 14-20 FG/FGA W

11.Date: Sun 04/18/71
- Chamberlain 23 pts, 12 rebs, 4 as, 6 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA – 5 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 15 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 7-23 FG/FGA W

According to an article from 19.04.1971 Wilt blocked 22 shots and Lew Alcindor blocked 10 shots for the 5 game series.

Regular season – 1971-72

12.Date: Sat 11/21/71
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 4 blocks, 4-9 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA L

13.Date: Sun 01/09/72
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 12 rebs, 2 as, 6 blocks, 7-11 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, 9 blocks, 18-34 FG/FGA W

14.Date: Fri 02/04/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 8-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 18 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 16-33 FG/FGA L

15.Date: Wed 03/01/72
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 17 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 12 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

16.Date: Fri 03/17/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 50 pts, 8 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 22-39 FG/FGA L

Post season – 1971-72 – WCF playoffs

17.Date: Sun 04/09/72
- Chamberlain 10 pts, 24 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 3-12 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-26 FG/FGA W

18.Date: Wed 04/12/72
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 17 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 7 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 18-31 FG/FGA L

19.Date: Fri 04/14/72
- Chamberlain 7 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, 10 blocks, 1-3 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 15-37 FG/FGA L

20.Date: Sun 04/16/72
- Chamberlain 5 pts, 11 rebs, 4 as, 3 blocks, 2-7 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 18 rebs, 3 as, 7 blocks, 14-33 FG/FGA W

21.Date: Tue 04/18/72
- Chamberlain 12 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 9 blocks, 2-3 FG/FGA - 4 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 28 pts, 16 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

22.Date: Sat 04/22/72
- Chamberlain 20 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, 9 blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA - 3 blocks and 2 steals against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 25 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 16-37 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1972-73

23.Date: Tue 11/14/72
- Chamberlain 16 pts, 15 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 6 as, 7 blocks, 17-32 FG/FGA L

24.Date: Tue 12/05/72
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 15 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 4-4 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 11-30 FG/FGA L

25.Date: Sun 01/07/73
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 12 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 17-36 FG/FGA W

26.Date: Fri 02/09/73
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-3 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-24 FG/FGA W

27.Date: Sun 02/25/73
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 20 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 10-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 21 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 10-27 FG/FGA L

28.Date: Tue 03/27/73
- Chamberlain 0 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 0-0 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 24 pts, 17 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 12-31 FG/FGA W

W = team wоn
L = team lost

The total minutes played:
Chamberlain - 1259 minutes or 44.96 per game
Jabbar - 1208 minutes or 43.14 per game

The FTs data:
Chamberlain - 106 from 218 (48.62 %)
Jabbar - 111 from 155 (71.61 %)

* Blocked stats are collected from archive newspapers articles (as most of the data), NBA doesn't kept track of blocked shots before 1973/74 season. I find in the forum info about Wilt blocked 8 shots in game 1 of 1971/72 regular season, but I was not able to find evidence in google news archive search,so again I do not post it.

Cap: 6, Wilt: 2(?)

[LkrFan]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter if you post up monster stats but dont win

only thing those players are doing is ac ulating total stats, then revisionists will go back and lay a on them why they couldnt get wins with those type of seasonal stats...

theres 3-4 idiots on tha top25 lists that i always have a problem with, guys who are known to be stat padders then coming up short with alot of bull excuses, whether its selfish play or blaming the roster they are dealt with....

English translation: truth bomb - although most farmers won't acknowledge these facts. That would be like saying 5 > 4.

[LkrFan]

if a lakerfan ever calls the spurs/duncan boring, have them watch any 5 minute highlight reel of kareem. snoozefest

Explain this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

[SpurSwag]

Kareem?......no way. I'll tell you the guy that is the most underrated player of All Time and he is Top 10 in points and rebounds and longevity but doesn't have a lot of les....he's up there with the MJ, Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Duncan, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Shaq, Bird,..ect.....his name is Moses Malone.

Great post tbh I admit I never acknowledge him on lists of top 10 players because i never saw him play and because he is really never talked about. Looking at his body of work though he was incredible.

[LkrFan]

if a lakerfan ever calls the spurs/duncan boring, have them watch any 5 minute highlight reel of kareem. snoozefest

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a in the ass!

[baseline bum]

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a in the ass!

You'd think such an alpha would keep his teammate from getting DAPed and stuck with that nasty souvenir.

[Venti Quattro]

Cap had a bad temper too.

Kareem hated people

[Arcadian]

The Big Muslim

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a in the ass!

you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.

[spurraider21]

you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.

expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow

[FuzzyLumpkins]

expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow

It is what it is. It took him 8 extra years to beat Chamberlains points record and he still couldn't manage to get more rebounds.

He lost without Robertson or Magic and when he was in his prime with half of the top talent was in the ABA he was missing the playoffs and getting outed early like a chump.

If Jabbar is the best basketball player then then Cal Ripken is the best baseball player ever. It's bull .

[LkrFan]

You'd think such an alpha would keep his teammate from getting DAPed and stuck with that nasty souvenir.

- nah, he was prolly at Magic's "Get Busy" party too.

[LkrFan]

expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow

Nah, I won't respond to her stupidity. She should be making her man a sammich, yet she over here wasting time trolling on the internetz. She maaaaaaaaaaad as . Cussing and . Very unladylike if you ask me.

[chief keef]

at this point, he's the only with a legit argument against MJ for GOAT

[LkrFan]

at this point, he's the only with a legit argument against MJ for GOAT

Tell that to FuzzyLabia.

[Rogue]

being top10 all time is still an underestimation?

[Thread]

you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.

Though I remember when the Pistons programmed Kent Benson and talked the fool into bullying Kareem.

tee, hee. Benson played again, but, he was never the same. & he never touched Jabbar again. Or, when the Sonics talked Tom Burleson into growing a beard to make himself look tougher so he could compete with Jabbar. lol.

[Boomersgold]

being top10 all time is still an underestimation?

Damn straight it is. If he's not in the top 3 greatest players or all time, then yes, it is an underestimation. You can't overlook his achievements in the sport.

[FYM]

He is overrated tbh, couldn't beat midget bruce lee one on one shhh...

[Katherine Robinson]

Best big man of all time, a hair ahead of Shaq and Hakeem. His matchups with Wilt went to show that Wilt was pretty good even when facing actual skill.

[LkrFan]

He is overrated tbh, couldn't beat midget bruce lee one on one shhh...

I wish he had the chance to bust Russell's ass tbh. He sure wouldn't have all them rings.

[Clipper Nation]

Mauricio slurping Kareem.... I had no idea they broadcast games back then in Mexico

[LkrFan]

Mauricio slurping Kareem.... I had no idea they broadcast games back then in Mexico

[FYM]

I wish he had the chance to bust Russell's ass tbh. He sure wouldn't have all them rings.

dude you had your chance to destroy Celtics dynasty in 62, your Selvy the bed on dat JS with 5 sec left...

Well before 28 there was 5 if not for dat 5 I would be sitting on a -1 instead of a +1

You had your chance but Baylor 61 points were not enough to bring you home, that's your cross