How Silicon Valley’CEOs conspired to drive down 100,000 tech engineers' wages

[Wild Cobra]

however, your compassion for the wage fixing cartel has been duly noted

I suggest that if you wish to proceed in an honest manner, that you try to understand both sides. Agree or not, at least understand what the truth may be instead of what your bias keeps you focus on.

[Wild Cobra]

I noted LONG AGO the WC ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS supports the organization over the individual, must be an vestigial authoritarian bias from his military years.

Not true. I just don't agree with most of your rants.

Since when is understanding a perspective siding with them? What did I say to make you believe I side with them?

[Winehole23]

I suggest that if you wish to proceed in an honest manner, that you try to understand both sides. Agree or not, at least understand what the truth may be instead of what your bias keeps you focus on.

WC, you're so open-minded your brain occasionally falls out

[Wild Cobra]

WC, you're so open-minded your brain occasionally falls out

At least mine isn't in permanent bias like yours.

[Winehole23]

everyone's biased, WC. your conceit that you're not is laughable.

[boutons_deux]

WC hates the govt intervening in "free markets" but is fine with for-profit corps screwing individuals "freely" selling their skills to highest bidder.

the entire H1b visa expansion push by tech companies is to bring in Asians a LOT cheaper than US techies.

Remember that cash-flush MS also got caught using/screwing contractors (no benefits) doing exactly the same work as employees, and for years.

[Winehole23]

Try to keep an open mind, boutons. The freedom to screw over employees is a legitimate concern.

[Wild Cobra]

WC hates the govt intervening in "free markets" but is fine with for-profit corps screwing individuals "freely" selling their skills to highest bidder.

the entire H1b visa expansion push by tech companies is to bring in Asians a LOT cheaper than US techies.

Remeber that cash-flush MS also got caught using/screwing contractors (no benefits) doing exactly the same work as employees, and for years.

All the ones I have seen were more talented that the lesser talented US citizens they hired. I have seen and worked with several dozen engineers in the industry so I can say with certainty is is for their skills, not the lower wages.

Keep in mind, those lower wages are very good wages for them normally, and the Japanese foreigners worked with were similarly paid to us, and they have a higher living wage than India.

The wages go by country and skill.

[Wild Cobra]

Try to keep an open mind, boutons. The freedom to screw over employees is a legitimate concern.

Most people will do what others consider "screw other" as they do what is in their best interest.

Are you certain the lawsuit will stand for the plaintiffs?

Stupid question... Sorry...

You guys will claim it was rigged if the corporations win.

[Winehole23]

Are you certain the lawsuit will stand for the plaintiffs?

absolutely not. but neither does a not guilty verdict amount to innocence.

[Winehole23]

the not guilty=innocent equation is defense lawyer talk

[boutons_deux]

those lower wages are very good wages for them normally

yes, yes, Kock Bros tell us the US poverty people are in the planet's top 1%, so we should quit ing about inequality.

Americans tech companies love to pay Indian wages to Indians working in California, for sure. Or maybe in a floating city off the CA coast.

[Wild Cobra]

So...

Agreeing not to "cold call" other companies employees are a violation?

I do think it's a stretch to call that illegal. It does not keep employees from changing jobs on their own.

[Wild Cobra]

yes, yes, Kock Bros tell us the US poverty people are in the planet's top 1%, so we should quit ing about inequality.

Americans tech companies love to pay Indian wages to Indians working in California, for sure. Or maybe in a floating city off the CA coast.

Now it's the Koch brothers again. No wonder nobody respects you. You are focused on hatred, not facts.

[Wild Cobra]

the not guilty=innocent equation is defense lawyer talk

That's not even what I meant. Is it unethical? Yes. Is it illegal... I don't think so.

Is it possible the justice department needs to change what the media focuses on?

[Winehole23]

like what? an rust litigation is fairly rare.

[Wild Cobra]

like what? an rust litigation is fairly rare.

Being the Obama administration, who knows. I do know I am very skeptical of anything his administrative offices do.

[Winehole23]

can't answer your own rhetorical question. why am I not surprised?

[scott]

I read over them quickly. It is an interesting exchange. From a certain perspective, it makes sense. One perspective is legitimate if the intent was not to have recruitment wars to retain valuable employees. I doubt this would affect very many employees, and there appears to be nothing that keeps the employee from applying elsewhere.

I wonder how the courts will rule.

You realize this is a text book case of collusion, in direct violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act?

[scott]

I suggest that if you wish to proceed in an honest manner, that you try to understand both sides. Agree or not, at least understand what the truth may be instead of what your bias keeps you focus on.

The rationale for violating the law is irrelevant to whether or not it has been violated. The defendants can't say to the judge: "but you have to see our side of it! We were just trying to prevent a labor war that could raise wages and help our compe ion!" And expect Judge Fudge to say "OOOOOH why didn't you just say so!"

It's obvious there are incentives to violating the law, that's why people do in and that's why there are laws!

[Wild Cobra]

You realize this is a text book case of collusion, in direct violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act?

It doesn't address individuals. It addresses trade and commerce, or are you saying people are property...

[ElNono]

lawyer cobra is a riot, per par

[Wild Cobra]

lawyer cobra is a riot, per par

OK, please show me the law.

[ElNono]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-1

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's not even what I meant. Is it unethical? Yes. Is it illegal... I don't think so.

Is it possible the justice department needs to change what the media focuses on?

Colluding to not compete is the epitome of an rust. They are the heads of their company.

It never amazes me the depth of your willful stupidity. They will not even evaluate regarding rule of reason. It's a per se violation.