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    some Hammond history

    Showdown in the Malheur Marshes: the Origins of Rancher Terrorism in Burns, Oregon

    In an affidavit, Earl M. Kisler, a Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement officer, said that rancher Dwight Hammond had repeatedly threatened refuge officials with violence over an eight year period. On one occasion Hammond told the manager of the federal refuge that “he was going to tear his head off and down his neck.”

    According to the affidavit, Hammond threated to kill refuge manager Forrest Cameron and assistant manager Dan Walsworth and claimed he was ready to die over a fence line that the refuge wanted to construct to keep his cows out of a marsh and wetland.


    The tensions between the Hammond family and the government started when the refuge, which was established as a haven for migrating birds, refused to renew a grazing permit for Hammond’s cattle operation. Then came the incident over the wetland, which Hammond had been using as a water hole for his cows.


    On August 3, 1994, a Fish and Wildlife Service crew turned up to complete the task of fencing off the marsh. They found the fence destroyed and a monkey-wrenched earthmover parked in the middle of the marsh. While the feds were waiting on a towing service to remove the Cat, Hammond’s son Steve showed up and began calling the government men “worthless suckers” and “assholes.” Hammond then arrived at the scene, according to the government’s do ents, and tried to disrupt the removal of the equipment. The rancher was arrested.


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    This isn't CSI National Forest dufus....
    The PWS rangers were actively looking for poachers no?
    Do you have any information regarding the campsite or anything else they allegedly were trying to hide? You are the one saying its stupid. Well regale us with your knowledge. You sound like partschanger right now.
    what a pussy.

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    says the got with half the forum on ignore

    Not a single thing said by witness Dusty Hammond about covering up illegal poaching.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/hamm..._fire_in_2001/

    Nearly 11 years after the fact, Dusty Hammond recalled for a jury Wednesday in a U.S. District Court how he stumbled through juniper and sagebrush to escape a fire bearing down on him, a fire he helped set.

    Hammond, 24, softspoken and clean cut, explained how his first-ever deer hunt near Frenchglen turned to arson after his uncle Steve Hammond passed out boxes of strike-anywhere matches to the four-man hunting party.
    “Light the whole countryside on fire,” Dusty said his uncle told him. “I started lighting matches.”

    Afterwards, he said, over lunch his grandfather and uncle instructed him to “keep my mouth shut; nobody needed to know anything about the fire.”
    Steve Hammond and his father, Dwight L. Hammond Jr., are on trial in Pendleton on nine counts, including conspiracy and setting fire to public grazing lands in Harney County between 2001 and 2006. A superseding indictment May 16 alleges the father and son ranchers illegally burned public rangelands, a practice used to reduce juniper growth and improve grazing areas. The indictment also alleges a fire the pair started in 2006 threatened to trap four BLM firefighters, one of whom confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene.

    The trial, in front of U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan of Eugene, may last three weeks.
    Wednesday, Dusty Hammond, facing his grandfather and uncle in court, delivered short answers in a flat tone to describe the Sept. 30, 2001, hunt with his father, Rusty Hammond, uncle, grandfather and Jacon Taylor. Four times lawyers asked that he speak louder or adjust the microphone so jurors might hear his testimony.
    The hunting party walked to a fence line dividing Hammond Ranch from a BLM section and stopped at a cattle guard, Dusty said under questioning by U.S. Attorney Frank Papagni Jr. There, he said, Steve Hammond handed each a box of Diamond Strike Anywhere wooden stick matches. He was instructed to walk the fenceline by his uncle and “start lighting until you run out.”
    He said he lit one match after another as he walked, but each one sputtered out before hitting the ground. His father showed him how to light a handful of matches at once, and soon the brush burned at his feet, he said. He walked until finding himself alone, with fire coming up behind him, towering 8-10 feet above his head, he said.
    He never actually saw his uncle set fire that day, only smoke rising up from his direction, he said. He remembered the day clearly despite the intervening years because of his close scrape with fire. He said he scrambled into a rocky area that day and waited until the fire passed by.
    Later, he said, Dwight, his grandfather, flew his Super Cub over the scene to gauge the effect the fire had on juniper there.
    Dusty Hammond said he never spoke of the day out of fear of his uncle and grandfather, a fear he’s since shed. He lived on the ranch until about age 15 but distanced himself from his Hammond relatives.
    But he failed to testify, as Papagni said he would during his opening statement to jurors Tuesday, that his uncle and grandfather talked about using fire to scare away hunters who came too close to Hammond Ranch property. A Utah man and his son, Dennis and Dusty Nelson, testifying before Hammond, described meeting a hunting party, presumably the Hammond party, on the BLM tract that morning.
    Both men described a clear day marred by smoke that grew heavier as the morning wore on.
    Papagni asked Hammond three times whether he’d ever heard his uncle and grandfather discuss what to do about hunters “on the mountain.” But Hammond each time said no.

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    Oregon house rep Greg Walden addresses the government overreach

    well worth watching the 25 minutes

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    First of all, when did it become OK for cowboys to cry in public?

    The coolest thing about the Gary Cooper-Clint Eastwood-James Coburn-Yul Brynner-style cowboys is that they never said a damned thing. They walked slow, asses sore from all that riding, and kept things to a syllable or two if they could manage it: "Whiskey." "Bath." "Draw."


    How the Oregon Militants' Revolutionary Plan Went Sideways »
    Contrast that with Ammon Bundy, the man who recently led a small group of gun-wielding outpatients to occupy the Malheur federal wildlife preserve in Oregon.

    Before the occupation, Bundy stood up at a town hall meeting in Harney County, Oregon, and fell to pieces as he described to the audience
    the revelation he had from God about the need to take action against the federal government.

    He was most put out about the five-year sentence for arson that the feds slapped on a father and son duo of ranchers named Dwight and Steven Hammond for setting fires on federal land.

    Bundy, his beard always carefully groomed, his unblemished broad-billed rancher hat always on straight, stood up at the town hall and
    weepingly explained that God had spoken to him about the Hammonds.

    "The Lord was not pleased with what was happening with the Hammonds," he croaked out. "OK?" He then wiped his eyes and — in an absolutely flawless homage to the Mike Myers I'm a little verklempt routine — held a palm out as if to say, "Hang on while I compose myself."

    "And I apologize for being emotional," he went on. "I hope you guys can get past that!" (He wiped his eyes again.)


    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-dumb-and-the-restless-20160107?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&u tm_campaign=010716_16&utm_medium=email

    Another wad Religionist with his brain scrambled by Religion



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    says the got with half the forum on ignore

    Not a single thing said by witness Dusty Hammond about covering up illegal poaching.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/hamm..._fire_in_2001/

    Nearly 11 years after the fact, Dusty Hammond recalled for a jury Wednesday in a U.S. District Court how he stumbled through juniper and sagebrush to escape a fire bearing down on him, a fire he helped set.

    Hammond, 24, softspoken and clean cut, explained how his first-ever deer hunt near Frenchglen turned to arson after his uncle Steve Hammond passed out boxes of strike-anywhere matches to the four-man hunting party.
    “Light the whole countryside on fire,” Dusty said his uncle told him. “I started lighting matches.”

    Afterwards, he said, over lunch his grandfather and uncle instructed him to “keep my mouth shut; nobody needed to know anything about the fire.”
    Steve Hammond and his father, Dwight L. Hammond Jr., are on trial in Pendleton on nine counts, including conspiracy and setting fire to public grazing lands in Harney County between 2001 and 2006. A superseding indictment May 16 alleges the father and son ranchers illegally burned public rangelands, a practice used to reduce juniper growth and improve grazing areas. The indictment also alleges a fire the pair started in 2006 threatened to trap four BLM firefighters, one of whom confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene.

    The trial, in front of U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan of Eugene, may last three weeks.
    Wednesday, Dusty Hammond, facing his grandfather and uncle in court, delivered short answers in a flat tone to describe the Sept. 30, 2001, hunt with his father, Rusty Hammond, uncle, grandfather and Jacon Taylor. Four times lawyers asked that he speak louder or adjust the microphone so jurors might hear his testimony.
    The hunting party walked to a fence line dividing Hammond Ranch from a BLM section and stopped at a cattle guard, Dusty said under questioning by U.S. Attorney Frank Papagni Jr. There, he said, Steve Hammond handed each a box of Diamond Strike Anywhere wooden stick matches. He was instructed to walk the fenceline by his uncle and “start lighting until you run out.”
    He said he lit one match after another as he walked, but each one sputtered out before hitting the ground. His father showed him how to light a handful of matches at once, and soon the brush burned at his feet, he said. He walked until finding himself alone, with fire coming up behind him, towering 8-10 feet above his head, he said.
    He never actually saw his uncle set fire that day, only smoke rising up from his direction, he said. He remembered the day clearly despite the intervening years because of his close scrape with fire. He said he scrambled into a rocky area that day and waited until the fire passed by.
    Later, he said, Dwight, his grandfather, flew his Super Cub over the scene to gauge the effect the fire had on juniper there.
    Dusty Hammond said he never spoke of the day out of fear of his uncle and grandfather, a fear he’s since shed. He lived on the ranch until about age 15 but distanced himself from his Hammond relatives.
    But he failed to testify, as Papagni said he would during his opening statement to jurors Tuesday, that his uncle and grandfather talked about using fire to scare away hunters who came too close to Hammond Ranch property. A Utah man and his son, Dennis and Dusty Nelson, testifying before Hammond, described meeting a hunting party, presumably the Hammond party, on the BLM tract that morning.
    Both men described a clear day marred by smoke that grew heavier as the morning wore on.
    Papagni asked Hammond three times whether he’d ever heard his uncle and grandfather discuss what to do about hunters “on the mountain.” But Hammond each time said no.
    I'll answer your posts much after the fact. You're weird, fixate, and try to get arguments to go in circles. I guess you're lonely. We've talked of this before.

    Can you tell me what your argument is? That narrative says they were only playing with matches.

    PS if you want me to actually talk to you then don't act like an asshat and try to actually argue on merit. i'll just ignore it and we can move on.

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    Cliven Bundy still owes the U.S. $1 million. What are the feds doing to collect it?

    Federal officials seem to have shied away from confrontation to avoid recreating the bloody standoffs in Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in the 1990s, which galvanized anti-government radicals like 1995 Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

    “The two [Bundy standoffs], I think, are indicative of a problem, and that is: When you have people who are publicly proclaiming their defiance of the law and doing it in a potentially violent way, how do you deal with it?” said Patrick Shea, former director of the BLM from 1997 to 1999, who was the first to sue Cliven Bundy for illegal grazing.

    “After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million,” Kornze said. “The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...107-story.html



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    If they actually had a tribe behind them I might have more sympathy for them. I can even give credence to the argument that indigenous peeps didn't get a fair shake in their reparations. Other than that though they are still squatters on legally established federal land. The comparison with groups of whitey? Don't see it.

    I just love how GOP types ignore the tragedy of the commons on this topic but welfare? Logical consistency is not strong or less than based on ego.

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    I'll answer your posts much after the fact. You're weird, fixate, and try to get arguments to go in circles. I guess you're lonely. We've talked of this before.

    Can you tell me what your argument is? That narrative says they were only playing with matches.

    PS if you want me to actually talk to you then don't act like an asshat and try to actually argue on merit. i'll just ignore it and we can move on.
    Before we continue what do you know about Dusty Hammond and his relationship with Dwight and Steve?

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    Before we continue what do you know about Dusty Hammond and his relationship with Dwight and Steve?
    I want your argument. I am an open book.

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    Broke, unemployed and on disability: Here’s how the Oregon militants can afford to play ‘patriot’ games

    As the militia stand-off in Oregon comes up on one week, speculation turns to the financial resources that allow men to up and leave their jobs — reportedly for however long it takes — to take an uninvited stand for freedom in an empty bird sanctuary.
    According to experts who study right-wing movements, militia members barely get by, with some living on government disability checks and the earnings of their neglected wives.

    In an interview with The Oregonian, Mark Pitcavage, who has studied far-right movements for 22 years, said most militia members live hand to mouth.


    “These guys are broke,” he said. “Right-wing extremists, generally speaking, have very little money.”


    While some members have brought their wives and children with them — leading todissension within the ranks — others may have to cut out early before leader Ammon Bundy declares victory and heads home to Nevada.


    “It’s quite possible that a lot of them will get tired and feel the pressure to go back and care for their families,” Pitcavage explained.


    The extended stay at the national bird refuge in the dead of winter has already cost one militia member his job.


    Jason Patrick, of Georgia, claims he lost his $80,000-a-year roofing job — with benefits and a company truck — because he took off without notice and had already used up his vacation days attending other Patriot-inspired events.


    “I didn’t get to give appropriate notice,” he said when describing the voicemail message he left for his bosses. “The Cons ution is more important.”


    According to Daryl Johnson, a former domestic terrorism analyst for the Department of Homeland Security, militia members have unique priorities when it comes to choosing between their beliefs and their families.


    “They’ll think nothing about taking half their paycheck and using half of it to buy ammunition and guns,” Johnson told The Oregonian.


    Despite the occupation of federal property, militia members in Oregon have been free to come and go as they please as authorities have backed off, allowing one occupier to put in a few hours of paying work.


    Occupier Duane Ehmer of Oregon wrote on his Facebook page that he left the refuge to put in some hours.


    “I just got back home from the bundy/ Hammond stand off I have to work a few days before I go back,” Duane Ehmer wrote on his Facebook page, adding later, “bringing more guns.”


    Jon Ritzheimer, who has been orchestrating anti-Muslim rallies from his Arizona home, says he gets by on his veterans’ disability pay, and that he’s “lucky to have a wife who works.”


    Occupier spokesperson Maureen Peltier is currently in the Washington National Guard, but will be retiring soon due to a disability — giving her more time to join protests against the government.


    According to Pitcavage, self-described militia group may be rich in organizational skills, but they have empty wallets and must rely small donations from like-minded people.

    “There’s no large organization to give them money,” he stated. “The right-wing extremist movement is broke.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/brok...e+Raw+Story%29

    LOSERS!

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    I want your argument. I am an open book.
    Learn about Dusty's relationship with Dwight and Steve, read Dusty's testimony, and you'll see why there was no poaching cover up.

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    Learn about Dusty's relationship with Dwight and Steve, read Dusty's testimony, and you'll see why there was no poaching cover up.
    So you cannot make your own argument. Figures. I'm done responding to you.

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    So you cannot make your own argument. Figures. I'm done responding to you.
    I dunno. Dude says he was hunting. TSA accepts hearsay saying he's mentally disturbed or something. He believes every right wing source out there without question.

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    Ryan, Cruz, Trump and Tarp Man: The New Conservative Truth



    LaVoy Fini , a rancher from Arizona, speaks to reporters at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon, January 5, 2016. Fini would later cover himself in a blue tarp with a gun in preparation for an "altercation."

    There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Dispense with the elephant. I hereby nominate Mr. Fini as the new avatar of the modern conservative movement: An angry white guy armed to the teeth with a bag over his head.

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34335-ryan-cruz-trump-and-tarp-man-the-new-conservative-truth



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    when did hunting become poaching?

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    when did hunting become poaching?
    If it's out of season or done without permit, for example. I don't know the details of the season there.

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    If it's out of season, for example. I don't know the details of the season there.
    Funny, all the court records I have seen (admit to not reading them cover to cover) don't mention any evidence of "poaching".

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    LaVoy's hat is really nice. I wonder if he bought it to look good on teevee?

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    I dunno. Dude says he was hunting. TSA accepts hearsay saying he's mentally disturbed or something. He believes every right wing source out there without question.
    Oh I know. And it knows I will paint them as a dumbass the order of boutox when they link that .

    There is no reasoning with people like that so I don't even bother trying. Prima facia their positions are and I can discuss better simply by ignoring it. I give accounts that behave like that no legitimacy whatsoever.

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    Funny, all the court records I have seen (admit to not reading them cover to cover) don't mention any evidence of "poaching".
    Such thoroughness, fattie. Good job!

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    Such thoroughness, fattie. Good job!
    Feel free to point out the poaching evidence, .

    @ your misplaced fixation on my weight. You are a real keyboard ninja aren't you?

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    Kind of sick having another man fantasizing about my body.

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