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    "so can San Antonio."

    tax-payer-funded, "socialist" municipal networks are ILLEGAL by Texas state law.

    Repugs LOVE "free markets".

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

    and where are the TX tea baggers, those beloved FREEDOM!-lovin' marans, pushing for the "Freedom!" to install muni nets?

    SA and Austin are prime candidates because both own huge fiber networks operated by their municipally owned electric utilities.

    no San Antonio can't, it's illegal
    Except San Antonio CAN'T do it, because the cable/internet companies you and Ted Cruz faithfully shill for have lobbied to ban local municipalities in Texas from offering broadband.

    Anything else?
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    Sorry, didn't realize I was beaten to the punch. That's what I get for leaving the reply window up too long.

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    I can see the argument for public broadband in more rural areas. I think it's the last thing we need in a place like Austin or, in a few months, San Antonio. I shudder to think what a boondoggle our esteemed governments could make out of a fiber buildout. Four high speed competitors is a pretty good number.

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    Sorry, didn't realize I was beaten to the punch. That's what I get for leaving the reply window up too long.
    Dude deserves it for red-assing his ignorance on probably the most obvious issue regarding public broadband.

    I don't quite get why local governments can't impose customer bandwidth requirements on ISPs they have granted monopoly status though. Then they can wrangle over costs and subsidies.

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    No Law Is Above The Man. The decision to enforce Sherman Act is a political one, like coddling the rampant criminals in the financial sector is a "paid political decision". Prosecutors have huge discretion in whom and what to prosecute.
    Can something be both political and legal at the same time? Yes.

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    no San Antonio can't, it's illegal
    Sounds like a problem with government.
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    Except San Antonio CAN'T do it, because the cable/internet companies you and Ted Cruz faithfully shill for have lobbied to ban local municipalities in Texas from offering broadband.

    Anything else?
    Again, if it's illegal, it's because of government involvement.

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    I can see the argument for public broadband in more rural areas. I think it's the last thing we need in a place like Austin or, in a few months, San Antonio. I shudder to think what a boondoggle our esteemed governments could make out of a fiber buildout. Four high speed competitors is a pretty good number.
    rural broadband? there's already a long-established assoc: http://www.ntca.org/

    Of course, all those rural rednecks who vote Repug and hate "socialism" have benefited from a confiscatory, socialistic tax called Universal Service on everybody's phone bills for decades to have their often expensive, remote telephone lines installed, maintained, price-subsidized by "socialistic" rural telephone cooperatives.

    Austin and SA have ALREADY built fiber networks, with their customers' bills, over their service areas, have installed, mastered the technology, in-house, ready to go.

    grande and twc already have "fiber to the pole", but won't run it "to the home".
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    Sounds like a problem with government.
    Again, if it's illegal, it's because of government involvement.
    I'm glad we agree people in government like Ted Cruz are the problem.

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    Again, if it's illegal, it's because of government involvement.
    bullshit.

    It's BigCable, BigNetwork corps PAYING govt, the legislature, governor, to make muni nets illegal. Legislators almost NEVER do anything unless paid to do it.

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    rural broadband? there's already a long-established assoc: http://www.ntca.org/

    Of course, all those rural rednecks who vote Repug and hate "socialism" have benefited from a confiscatory, socialistic tax called Universal Service on everybody's for decades to have their often expensive, remote telephone lines installed, maintained, cost-subsidized by "socialistic" rural telephone cooperatives.

    Austin and SA have ALREADY built fiber networks, with their customers' bills, over their service areas, have installed, mastered the technology, in-house, ready to go.

    grande and twc already have "fiber to the pole", but won't run it "to the home".
    Even with Google's coming in, cable companies are going to squeeze every last drop of bandwidth out of coax they can. TWC already gets 300mbps out of coax up here and can probably get a lot more once they get rid of their analog signals.

    You're going to get Google down there with all the rising tide benefits from its competitors. Have a little patience.

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    Again, if it's illegal, it's because of government involvement.
    Yeah because of the party currently running the Texas government. I'm totally with you that Texas government involvement is usually a bad thing. Not that you'd ever call them out specifically, because they're Republicans and you're a shill.

    On the other hand, Chattanooga's Internet is better because of government involvement.

    Really, save the blanket "government involvement is always bad" bullshit for the kinds of people that line actually works on, like really old, really dumb people. We know you don't believe it.
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    The cable companies are captive of their pricing to their installed cable base. Their FTTH will have to be probably much more expensive than their already gouging-priced cable.

    http://oti.newamerica.net/publicatio...nectivity_2013

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    Sounds like a problem with government.
    So you're saying you dislike the way the GOP runs things? Cool.

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    Only way that is ever going to happen is if we get an AG interested in applying anti-trust statutes rather than race based nonsense. Would helps solve this issue and go a long way regarding health care costs.
    You're not wrong. In this day and age I don't expect anything from a politicized position though.
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    So you're saying you dislike the way the GOP runs things? Cool.
    I dislike federal government involvement in anything that doesn't involve national security or international relationships.

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    The cable companies are captive of their pricing to their installed cable base. Their FTTH will have to be probably much more expensive than their already gouging-priced cable.

    http://oti.newamerica.net/publicatio...nectivity_2013
    If all you're talking about is huge government expenditure to build an entire fiber to home network, why not just subsidize the node to home portion off the fiber nodes that are already there?

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    I dislike federal government involvement in anything that doesn't involve national security or international relationships.
    The federal government is not the one that bans local municipalities in Texas from offering broadband.

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    LOL teatards who love big government in Austin and who loved it in Washington when it was Dick and Bush in power.

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    LOL teatards who love big government in Austin and who loved it in Washington when it was Dick and Bush in power.
    don't touch my medicare!

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    If all you're talking about is huge government expenditure to build an entire fiber to home network, why not just subsidize the node to home portion off the fiber nodes that are already there?
    "subsidize the node to home portion off the fiber nodes that are already there"

    because that fiber belongs to BigCable and they will extract their profits for leasing some fiber to the municipality.

    I want BigCable and their profits and investors OFF MY INTERNET!

    ( ... just like I want BigInsurance and their investors and for-profit providers OFF MY HEALTH CARE! )

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    "subsidize the node to home portion off the fiber nodes that are already there"

    because that fiber belongs to BigCable and they will extract their profits for leasing some fiber to the municipality.

    I want BigCable and their profits and investors OFF MY INTERNET!

    ( ... just like I want BigInsurance and their investors and for-profit providers OFF MY HEALTH CARE! )
    Why shouldn't a company that made an investment seek a profit?

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    Why shouldn't a company that made an investment seek a profit?
    why shouldn't electricity customers who have already paid for CPS fiber network, which probably has GigaBits of unused capacity, and lots of dark fiber, get no-profit Internet?

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    why shouldn't electricity customers who have already paid for CPS fiber network, which probably has GigaBits of unused capacity, and lots of dark fiber, get no-profit Internet?
    It will be completely unnecessary.

    San Antonio is a good market for broadband competition. just watch.

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    It will be completely unnecessary.

    San Antonio is a good market for broadband competition. just watch.
    the point is, why should SA or Austin continue to pay exorbitant prices to finance BigCable cartel's (no competing) profits and enrich their investors, when we could keep all those $Bs right here in SA/Austin?

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