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    Anderson looked absurdly slow on several perimeter defensive plays. Hood had zero problem going right by him like he was playing against a propped up corpse.
    Part of it looked like Anderson trying to be careful not to foul him since he had been in foul trouble all game. I'm assuming you're referring to some of those plays in the 4th quarter.

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    Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.

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    Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.
    Do you understand it? I think Udoka is handling the rotations very well so far.

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    Do you understand it? I think Udoka is handling the rotations very well so far.
    The question is do you? I don't need to see players who've presumably already made the roster, take developmental time/minutes away from players who need to showcase their skills for a chance at a camp invite either with the Spurs or another team.. Ayres and Daye have a roster spot in waiting. Winning SL games is secondary to development.

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    Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.
    I'm not sure Udoka is in charge of player minutes on this squad.

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    I don't need to see players that have already failed countless times at the NBA level trying to dominate in SL.

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    The question is do you? I don't need to see players who've presumably already made the roster, take developmental time/minutes away from players who need to showcase their skills for a chance at a camp invite either with the Spurs or another team.. Ayres and Daye have a roster spot in waiting. Winning SL games is secondary to development.
    That's what I mean. The SL is to develop players on the roster. It's not to showcase players who aren't going to get a spot. Daye, Ayres and Anderson are being rightfully featured, and team prospects like Cotton, Denmon and Thomas are getting the next level of minutes. That's how it's supposed to work. And Udoka is even rewarding players who exceed expectations like Morris and Green by giving them a lot of time as well. , Darius even started.

    Udoka is doing exactly what he's supposed to.

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    I don't need to see players that have already failed countless times at the NBA level trying to dominate in SL.
    It doesn't matter who/what you want to see. Obviously Pop and RC want to see these guys, and that's why they're there.

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    It may be that they want to showcase Daye and Ayers for a future 2 for 1 trade.
    That would open a spot on the roster for Green.

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    Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.
    Can you tell me how many minutes were lost due to Anderson's foul trouble? And, if you don't play your veteran guys for stability, given the loss of Anderson, how many minutes would be lost for the new players if they got bounced from the tourney?

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    Exactly. I believe we will actually see how good he is once he plays with a few NBA players.
    Shame Mills is injured, having a shooter like him playing with KA would have been great to see.
    I agree. Even having him parked on the baseline will be far more productive when he has a team full of guys who actually pass the ball that direction. The only one I see making those passes is Kyle.

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    Anyone else noticing the crawl on NBATV has completely wrong stats for the Spurs game?

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    I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.

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    Daye's new nickname is "mini mamba", tbh.

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    That's what I mean. The SL is to develop players on the roster. It's not to showcase players who aren't going to get a spot. Daye, Ayres and Anderson are being rightfully featured, and team prospects like Cotton, Denmon and Thomas are getting the next level of minutes. That's how it's supposed to work. And Udoka is even rewarding players who exceed expectations like Morris and Green by giving them a lot of time as well. , Darius even started.

    Udoka is doing exactly what he's supposed to.
    Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.

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    I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.
    Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm curious about Thomas though. I think he has shown enough over the last two years to say he'll get a spot on an NBA team this season. I don't think he'll allow himself to get stashed again.

    So the Spurs have three options. They can let him go to camp and waive him in hopes he makes it to the d-league. They can make room for him on the roster by getting rid of Ayres/Daye/Baynes. Or they can try to get an asset for his rights. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.

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    Daye's new nickname is "mini mamba", tbh.
    Yeah that 5/15 statline was pure kirby

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    Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.
    Kawhi hurt his wrist and they sent him home, if memory serves. I've said this in other places, but Ayres plays much more conservatively when he's on the Spurs because his job is just to fill time for his teammates to get some rest.

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    Can you tell me how many minutes were lost due to Anderson's foul trouble? And, if you don't play your veteran guys for stability, given the loss of Anderson, how many minutes would be lost for the new players if they got bounced from the tourney?
    This is the summer league and you're talking about veteran guys. Neither Daye or Ayres are stabilizers. Daye is playing his own little game trying to dominate and takeover at a level and against compe ion he can compete against. What does Anderson's foul trouble have to do with anything?

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    Yeah that 5/15 statline was pure kirby
    It's just the constantly jacking up jumpers, particularly threes. Of course he gets assists because eventually nobody thinks he's going to pass the ball.

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    Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm curious about Thomas though. I think he has shown enough over the last two years to say he'll get a spot on an NBA team this season. I don't think he'll allow himself to get stashed again.
    I really like DT as a basketball player. I think if he develops a legit three pointer, he can have an NBA career. Like I've said before, he's going to have to become elite at something to make up for his deficiencies, and his jumper is not far off. If the Spurs are really looking for someone to hit that corner three, maybe he's the best prospect on the SL team.

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    Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.
    First, it doesn't matter if you don't like it. That doesn't stop it from being the point of summer league. Leonard only played two games because he was a starter on a team that made it to the WCF. The team had a plan for him to get a few reps as the first option. Meanwhile, Joseph played the whole league for both that and the next summers.

    Ask yourself this: Do you see any other teams who are using their rotations how you want them to? Because I don't. I see everyone doing exactly what Udoka os doing.

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    I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.
    I mean I'd just like him as an Ayres replacement. "Can't shoot and not a very good defender" is a description that fits Ayres as well. Only difference is that Green seems to have a much better motor and rebounding skills. I'd imagine he has better hands as well considering Ayres has some of the worst hands out of any NBA player I've ever seen.

    I'll admit though...me wanting Green is more about how bad Ayres is rather than how good Green is

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    I mean I'd just like him as an Ayres replacement. "Can't shoot and not a very good defender" is a description that fits Ayres as well. Only difference is that Green seems to have a much better motor and rebounding skills. I'd imagine he has better hands as well considering Ayres has some of the worst hands out of any NBA player I've ever seen.

    I'll admit though...me wanting Green is more about how bad Ayres is rather than how good Green is
    I understand the frustration with Ayres, but he's a much better defender than anyone on this Spurs' team. He's done more things right than wrong so far this summer, but consider the compe ion. You have to think Matt Bonner would be close to a double double in the same minutes. I'm getting tired of saying I'm glad he's got this chance to play without judgment or punishment and try to improve his game, because he's likely stuck here for this season.

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    I understand the frustration with Ayres, but he's a much better defender than anyone on this Spurs' team. He's done more things right than wrong so far this summer, but consider the compe ion. You have to think Matt Bonner would be close to a double double in the same minutes. I'm getting tired of saying I'm glad he's got this chance to play without judgment or punishment and try to improve his game, because he's likely stuck here for this season.
    I'm with you in that it's better for Ayres to get this opportunity to improve his game but at some point PATFO have to realize he is who he is: a bad recommendation from Boylen. If they can find a better alternative, hopefully they can cut their losses with him.

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