Like it or not, they are a veteran influence running the offense and anchoring the D. Even though I am in agreement with everyone else about Ayres, he knows the system. He's not good at executing it. But, he knows it. Daye had a much better second half. He wasn't trying to dominate anyone hitting the floor securing steals. And, without his second half, they don't bide time as well until Anderson gets back in, helping them to the win. Without the win, they get bounced, and the other scrubs don't get to play any more, which was the whole premise of your ing about Udoka in the first place, that he wasn't getting the "other guys" enough minutes. In Anderson's absence, in a tight game, he played the guys that had the best chance of securing them the win to get to the next round so that you can see more of your "other guys". You should be thanking him.
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I look at Daye like Green a couple years ago.
A talented player who underperformed his draft position.
He needs a come to Jesus moment like Green had when both Pop and Roy Williams told him his future was in the balance.
Daye has as much or more potential than Green.
I really dislike that comparison. Green and Daye are completely different cases for too many reasons to be enumerated again.
Don't wanna sound negative, but from the games I've seen so far, none of the "new" guys deserve a spot in the team. When Neal was the surprise of the SL and got a spot with the team, he was automatic from deep. He shot 50%FG and 50% from 3p. Those guys are missing wide open 3s and none of them have shown anything special defensively.
If you don't want to explain the reasons yourself, please point me to someone else's explication of your sentiment.
Are you including Anderson? I've only read the box scores so I'm dying to know.
Actually, I don't watch summer league games that don't involve the Spurs. I'll have to take your word on that. I would think most teams would be playing rookies and SL invites, not failed veterans though, I haven't looked over all the rosters to be sure. In any event, it doesn't really matter because one team's motives/agenda will differ from another. The only thing that remains a constant is "development".
You're right. I don't have to like it and that's why I spoke up. Ayres and Daye will be in camp so their development will continue (or end). I'd rather see other players afforded the same opportunity to get a camp invite. FYI, Ayres and Daye aren't providing the Spurs staff with anything they didn't already know. It's pointless to watch Daye out there, trying to dominate in SL and look so bad doing it in the process. If Ayres has proven anything, it's why is he receiving playing time in the NBA and making more than the league minimum. Hopefully, there wasn't a hidden agenda behind the scenes to showcase these two gems because it clearly backfired.
Daye just doesn't have it and he never looks like he wants it.
I haven't seen him run full-speed once this entire Summer League. If anybody challenges his drive attempt, he's gonna quit in the middle of it and not try to finish the shot.
His potential is great, but he lacks the will to realize the height of it. It's a shame. I was/am really pulling for him, but it doesn't look like he can put it together mentally.
My boy Bryce Cotton is gonna work hard and become a player though!
No, I am only talking about the guys fighting for a spot. KA has already a spot. So does Ayres, unfortunately.
Cleveland eliminated by Houston tonight.
Have we seen Wiggins' last game in a Cavs uniform?
Yeah, I wish we had Malcolm Thomas back instead of Ayres. As for Anderson, is he as slow as he's been made out to be? I've read that his defense does not look that great so far.
Interesting choice of words when referring to the "other guys". It was one of those "other guys" or scrubs that clinched the game. Not one of your infallible, unflappable veterans or stabilizers. Both Daye and Ayres were pretty bad on both ends of the floor.
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The problem is, tall slender guys like Anderson and Daye either look (1) slow or (2) like they aren't trying.
It's an optical illusion folks.
Tayshaun Prince faced the same criticism and became a key piece to Detroit's le team.
Gervin looked slow, never looked like he was breaking a sweat, but he's in the HOF.
And, no, I'm not saying Anderson or Daye will be as good as either of the above.
But Anderson for sure and Daye quite possibly will be key guys in very good Spurs teams down the road.
It's a team. Someone else made a play. Good. Daye also swung that ball to an open Cotton for three. Etc. Daye and Ayres sit out the whole time Anderson was out, that one play you refer to would have been meaningless, likely, because they would have been down by significantly more at the end of the game. Because you don't recognize their contributions, doesn't mean there were none.
I work with a bunch of Timberwolves fans are hoping that's the case.
I don't think that's particularly negative. Nobody's been a stand-out. Probably just as well. The only two guys to have big performances in summer league that I remember are Neal and Tolliver, and both got contracts. Neither turned out to be particularly valuable.
Of the three guys that we figure are logically guaranteed a spot on the team at camp, Anderson is the only one who's a sure thing. I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs' camp invites go to guys on other SL teams. I guess Cotton is going to get a year in Austin for sure based on his contract, but I don't understand financials enough to know for sure.
What if Ayres is re-signed again after his deal expires and if more than a minimum deal?
Waived to the Toros. The way he scores isn't going to work that well in the NBA and he doesn't do anything else. As was said, the only thing that's really going to get him in is a three point shot.
They can try to make Cotton another Mills in Austin.
Denmon? Probably not.
Green? Not going to dislodge Ayres or Daye without some amazing camp.
Morris? A known NBA quan y by comparison. Needs a three pointer, but that might be easier to come by in the real Spurs offense -- he's shot fairly well on other teams. This was his sloppiest game, but he is the kind of versatile guard with size the Spurs are always looking for. The sheer amount of time he spent at the point hints that he might be getting some consideration.
Neal hit a season saving shot and scored 20+ pts in a Finals game, if he didnt turn out to be particularly valuable then not many player ever do I guess...
The forum database collapses under the weight of several hundred simultaneous posts complaining about the signing.
Disagree. If that were the case, then every player of that size would look slow. Durant is longer and doesn't look like he's jogging up the floor. Daye almost never plays hard, and he's got to know that he's playing for his life at this point. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe there will always be a euroleague team that will pay him to half-ass it and dominate the little white guys.
I'll cliff-notes it. Green was taken 30 picks after Daye. He got cut by a new administration and proceeded to put up strong numbers in the d-league. He caught on with the Spurs and didn't stick until Pop and Williams told him to focus. He was a starter by his third year, but he put up strong per-36 stats his whole career. Pretty much, Green is just a better version of the player he was when he won a national le with UNC. He just needed someone to stick with him.
Meanwhile, Daye was a mid-first-rounder who's been struggling to market his best skill. He got 12 times the number of minutes over his first two years than Green did. He put up decent rate stats, but he was a net negative for most of his career, ad opposed to Green, who was one of the most impactful on/off players on the team during his third year.
I like Daye, but he'll have to prove himself in an entirely different way than Green did. Danny was always a super role-player. Daye's justa guy with talent. The Spurs will have to mold Daye into rotation player, whereas they just had to fit Green in.
I don't agree with your premise that the Spurs SL roster is made up of scrubs, Ayres, Daye and Anderson. It's only advantageous to your point that other players couldn't step up in the absence of Ayers or Daye. But, neither is that true or could it be proven. What would your counter-position be had the Spurs lost the game?
Last edited by murpjf88; 07-17-2014 at 09:47 PM.
He is slow, but he looks smooth and you see that the feel for the game is there, even though he still needs to improve many parts of his game.
Yeah, he doesn't look good defensively, but we gotta give him some credit too. He always had the toughest assignments defensively. Stauskas, Jabari, Wiggins, etc.
They already know that he has great court vision and that he is an elite passer. The Spurs want him to play a lot off the ball. So, they're basically putting Anderson in a very uncomfortable zone for him to see where he needs to improve. And he is taking the task like a man, so we can't complain much.
I like what I've seen from Kyle so far. Can't say the same about the rest of the team though.
What would you call it?
14 completely equal players in every way deserving of exactly the same minutes?
The staff have been scouting these players long than any of us. They gave Cotton some extra money to stick around through camp because they see some possible potential.
They had an entire season to watch Green play the Spurs system.
They let Morris run the point because he ran the point in the NBA.
They had these guys in mini camp and practice before they ever took the floor.
You really don't think they have any idea what these guys can do?
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