Jeter, Like Duncan, Makes the Routine Extraordinary

[dbreiden83080]

Comparing an overrated, no-defense, HBP-faking, herpes-spreading got like Jeter to Duncan

Yeah like you wouldn't spent your life banging supermodels like he has..

[Kidd K]

You really want to try and name 299 players better than Jeter.. Must be quite a list..

Technically I'd only have to name 199 since I said "200 or 300", but yes, the list is pretty nice. Don't forget baseball has been going on for twice as long as basketball (and no one gives a about the pre 70's much anyway), and the teams are twice as big, with 8 position players, 5 starters, and a closer. So basically 14 "starters" actively playing per team, and for twice as long.

MLB's top 200 would be roughly equal to basketball's top 30 or 35, to put it into perspective for a basketball fan. So yeah, Jeter is not making that list. David Robinson is around #25, and Jeter isn't even close to that. Jeter is more like Joe Dumars caliber.

[Aztecfan03]

I'm sorry but Derek Jeter does not deserve to be mentioned alongside someone of Tim Duncan's caliber. Duncan is arguably a top 5 all time player in his sport. Jeter is not even top 100. He may not even be top 200 or 300.

For those that don't follow baseball (and based on the many posts I see here by you uncultured s, you don't), Derek Jeter is and was even more overrated than Kobe Bryant. At least we can agree Kobe has usually been a top 5-10 player in the league since hitting his prime til the last 3-4 years, but was just overrated to #1 status. Jeter was never even close to top 10 ANY year and was called a top dude every ing year, not to mention was talked about nearly as much as Kobe.


Jeter isn't in Duncan's class. Never was, never will be.

[SupremeGuy]

Not overrated at all.. Nobody ever called Jeter the best player in the game or said he was robbed of league mvp's or anything like that. They mostly said a few things about Jeter.

Great Leader
Incredibly consistent- .311 lifetime average 3400 hits
Winner- 5 Rings
One of the great all time Yankees

That's all I ever really heard about him.. Nobody ever said Jeter was Ted Williams. But he was a great player..

People try to argue that he was one of the best SS of all time or one of the top 10 greatest Yankees of all time, and he was neither. Really, Jeter isn't anywhere near Duncan's class. He was a slightly above average SS with good looks(has a lot to do with his popularity) who was lucky enough to play on the Yankees, and that's it.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm sorry but Derek Jeter does not deserve to be mentioned alongside someone of Tim Duncan's caliber. Duncan is arguably a top 5 all time player in his sport. Jeter is not even top 100. He may not even be top 200 or 300.

For those that don't follow baseball (and based on the many posts I see here by you uncultured s, you don't), Derek Jeter is and was even more overrated than Kobe Bryant. At least we can agree Kobe has usually been a top 5-10 player in the league since hitting his prime til the last 3-4 years, but was just overrated to #1 status. Jeter was never even close to top 10 ANY year and was called a top dude every ing year, not to mention was talked about nearly as much as Kobe.


Jeter isn't in Duncan's class. Never was, never will be.

Exactly. Jeter is far more comparable to sidekick. I'll say this though, at least Jeter was never the team cancer that sidekick was.

[Drachen]

You know what bleacher report articles ae good for? Wiping your ass with.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ers-in-history

WTF?

[dbreiden83080]

People try to argue that he was one of the best SS of all time or one of the top 10 greatest Yankees of all time, and he was neither. Really, Jeter isn't anywhere near Duncan's class. He was a slightly above average SS with good looks(has a lot to do with his popularity) who was lucky enough to play on the Yankees, and that's it.

You don't think he is a top 10 Yankee of all time????????????

Mickey
Joe
Yogi
Babe
Lou
Mo
Whitey

Where does he go exactly??? He's got 5 rings and 3400 hits dude..

[dbreiden83080]

Technically I'd only have to name 199 since I said "200 or 300", but yes, the list is pretty nice. Don't forget baseball has been going on for twice as long as basketball (and no one gives a about the pre 70's much anyway), and the teams are twice as big, with 8 position players, 5 starters, and a closer. So basically 14 "starters" actively playing per team, and for twice as long.

MLB's top 200 would be roughly equal to basketball's top 30 or 35, to put it into perspective for a basketball fan. So yeah, Jeter is not making that list. David Robinson is around #25, and Jeter isn't even close to that. Jeter is more like Joe Dumars caliber.

Uh huh.. Lets put this in the proper perspective. Jeter may wrap his career 5th or 6th on the all time hit list with a .311 lifetime average, 5 GG's, 5 World Series Rings, a World Series MVP among other awards.. But he is not top 300 huh???? Yeah.. That is uh.. Yeah...

[RD2191]

"Mr. Fundamentals = Mr. Boring. Granted, Timmy D is a great player, but many belittle Kobe because he had Shaq. Well, Duncan had David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, and Mario Elie."

I seriously almost wanna track this guy down just to give him one solid punch.

[dbreiden83080]

"Mr. Fundamentals = Mr. Boring. Granted, Timmy D is a great player, but many belittle Kobe because he had Shaq. Well, Duncan had David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, and Mario Elie."

I seriously almost wanna track this guy down just to give him one solid punch.

"Duncan had David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, and Mario Elie. All were champions who showed the young boy the way into the league"

Uh Only Elie was a champion none of the others won squat until Timmy D hit town and dominated..

[soxxx]

The Yankees would have won without the Jeter, the Spurs wouldnt have a single one without Duncan. The end, no comparison. Its disrespect to Duncan.

[dbreiden83080]

The Yankees would have won without the Jeter, the Spurs wouldnt have a single one without Duncan. The end, no comparison. Its disrespect to Duncan.

They don't win 5 without Jeter no chance in .. I lived in NY and watched most of his career.. Jeter and Mo were the engine that made that team go..

[soxxx]

They don't win 5 without Jeter no chance in .. I lived in NY and watched most of his career.. Jeter and Mo were the engine that made that team go..

They still would have won though without Jeter. Maybe not 5, maybe not 4, but they would have won.

[dbreiden83080]

They still would have won though without Jeter. Maybe not 5, maybe not 4, but they would have won.

WTH knows that. Jeter was a great player and the leader. In 2000 he put on a clinic against the Mets hitting .340 and had a big HR in game 5. He was very clutch in the playoffs during that run of 4 in 5 years.. They lose to Oakland in 2001 if not for the famous flip play..

[SupremeGuy]

There was mr. clutch hitting into a double play... .

[Kidd K]

Uh huh.. Lets put this in the proper perspective. Jeter may wrap his career 5th or 6th on the all time hit list with a .311 lifetime average, 5 GG's, 5 World Series Rings, a World Series MVP among other awards.. But he is not top 300 huh???? Yeah.. That is uh.. Yeah...

The hit list? Stop it. Play for long enough and you're up there. He is nowhere near a top 5-6 hitter ever, so let's not parade around that like it means much more than it does.

Let's see where he places on the batting average list: Tied for 101th and dropping.

Of course, BA doesn't mean he's actually getting jacks or doubles instead of just singles, so let's see where he places on the slugging % list: 449th and dropping And this is a guy "known for offense and being a good hitter".

Offensive win%: 468th

Steals: 104th

Home Runs: 191st

RBI: 117th

See my point? And this is a dude who played on the by far highest salary team in baseball for his entire career, with multiple MVPs, former MVPs, and all stars batting all around him to make it as easy as humanly possible for him to compile stats. And he still didn't manage to do except play for a long time to rack up hits. Hits, not batting average or slugging %. Or steals. Or jacks. Or RBI.

And this of course doesn't even touch on the hundred+ pitchers who were/are better than Jeter too. Jeter was not outstanding at anything besides playing in New York and getting his knob gobbled by ESPN.

He isn't top 200 dude. Having a long career (10th all time in at bats, aka chances to get hits) to pile up singles (the most useless hit in baseball) doesn't somehow push him past vastly superior players.

[ElNono]

Porque Jeter tiene un edge!



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[dbreiden83080]

The hit list? Stop it. Play for long enough and you're up there. He is nowhere near a top 5-6 hitter ever, so let's not parade around that like it means much more than it does.

Let's see where he places on the batting average list: Tied for 101th and dropping.

Of course, BA doesn't mean he's actually getting jacks or doubles instead of just singles, so let's see where he places on the slugging % list: 449th and dropping And this is a guy "known for offense and being a good hitter".

Offensive win%: 468th

Steals: 104th

Home Runs: 191st

RBI: 117th

See my point? And this is a dude who played on the by far highest salary team in baseball for his entire career, with multiple MVPs, former MVPs, and all stars batting all around him to make it as easy as humanly possible for him to compile stats. And he still didn't manage to do except play for a long time to rack up hits. Hits, not batting average or slugging %. Or steals. Or jacks. Or RBI.

And this of course doesn't even touch on the hundred+ pitchers who were/are better than Jeter too. Jeter was not outstanding at anything besides playing in New York and getting his knob gobbled by ESPN.

He isn't top 200 dude. Having a long career (10th all time in at bats, aka chances to get hits) to pile up singles (the most useless hit in baseball) doesn't somehow push him past vastly superior players.

So where is Pete Rose in that list? or Joe Morgan? Or Ty Cobb? None of them were power hitters my man.. Not too mention Jeter played clean in the friggin steroid era with Power numbers massively inflated. Lets just talk SS name me 15 right now that were better than Jeter.. name me 10? The guys in Jeters era considered better like A-Rod.. PED Users..

[Kidd K]

So where is Pete Rose in that list? or Joe Morgan? Or Ty Cobb? None of them were power hitters my man.. Not too mention Jeter played clean in the friggin steroid era with Power numbers massively inflated. Lets just talk SS name me 15 right now that were better than Jeter.. name me 10? The guys in Jeters era considered better like A-Rod.. PED Users..

In what list? Like steals and ? Joe Morgan is 11th all time in steals. Rose is #1 in hits.

Ty Cobb? Are you joking by bringing him up? Dude is #2 in hits, #1 in batting average, #2 in runs scored, #4 in steals, and even #8 in RBI. He's even 75th in SLG% (the power stat, if you didn't know) to Jeter's extremely weak 477th.

Jeter is a ing nobody compared to Cobb.

As for SS, that's well known to be the weakest position in baseball historically. Don't try to be a smartass and act like him being possibly top 15 at SS can be extrapolated to mean he's top anything because of it.

Him playing clean, well we don't know he did tbh. But I don't think we need to get into it either way. He had roided up teammates hitting behind him to force pitchers to pitch to him. David Justice, Jason Giambi, and A-Rod were all users off the top of my head. So were Clemens and Pe te, but they were pitchers. Still, that's a LOT of ing teammates who used even if the list ended there.

[spurs1990]

I've enjoyed reading the debate on this thread more than any actual baseball game in 2 decades. Good stuff.

But one thing I've been impressed with Jeter as dbreiden mentioned is that he remained clean through his 20 year run. That goes a long way in my book. Also as they said during the all-star game he's never been quoted to say anything offensive or controversial.

I think we can celebrate that at the very least.

[HarlemHo 37]

In what list? Like steals and ? Joe Morgan is 11th all time in steals. Rose is #1 in hits.

Ty Cobb? Are you joking by bringing him up? Dude is #2 in hits, #1 in batting average, #2 in runs scored, #4 in steals, and even #8 in RBI. He's even 75th in SLG% (the power stat, if you didn't know) to Jeter's extremely weak 477th.

Jeter is a ing nobody compared to Cobb.

As for SS, that's well known to be the weakest position in baseball historically. Don't try to be a smartass and act like him being possibly top 15 at SS can be extrapolated to mean he's top anything because of it.

Him playing clean, well we don't know he did tbh. But I don't think we need to get into it either way. He had roided up teammates hitting behind him to force pitchers to pitch to him. David Justice, Jason Giambi, and A-Rod were all users off the top of my head. So were Clemens and Pe te, but they were pitchers. Still, that's a LOT of ing teammates who used even if the list ended there.

Were you born stupid, tbh? SS is the TOUGHEST position in baseball to field. You don't even have to pretend to be a baseball fan to know that. Ranking Jeter's homerun and RBI totals is a joke. He batted leadoff or second in the lineup for his entire career. You don't see how that could impact one's RBI totals?

I hope you realize that most of those players in yeseryear wouldn't come close to duplicating those statistics in this era. The vast, VAST majority of pitchers only threw three pitches tops, nor did they have*meticulous*scouting reports, graphs and sabermetrics to rely on.

There are mny teams in the majors that never had a SS half as good as Jeter, tbh. Lol, berrating a 5-time gold glove winner and a guy approaching 3,500 career hits and a lifetime BA of .311 and calling him overrated. It's like you've never seen the guy play but you've read bleacherreport and now you have the inside track to his life story.

[Kidd K]

Were you born stupid, tbh? SS is the TOUGHEST position in baseball to field. You don't even have to pretend to be a baseball fan to know that. Ranking Jeter's homerun and RBI totals is a joke. He batted leadoff or second in the lineup for his entire career. You don't see how that could impact one's RBI totals?

I hope you realize that most of those players in yeseryear wouldn't come close to duplicating those statistics in this era. The vast, VAST majority of pitchers only threw three pitches tops, nor did they have*meticulous*scouting reports, graphs and sabermetrics to rely on.

There are mny teams in the majors that never had a SS half as good as Jeter, tbh. Lol, berrating a 5-time gold glove winner and a guy approaching 3,500 career hits and a lifetime BA of .311 and calling him overrated. It's like you've never seen the guy play but you've read bleacherreport and now you have the inside track to his life story.

Were you born ignorant got tbh? Shortstop being tough to field does all to debunk the accepted fact that it's the weakest position in baseball. Since you're clearly very slow, I'm saying that position historically produces less offense than every other position with the possible exception of catcher; the actual toughest position to field in baseball (clearly you've never played).

He batted first and second on the most stacked teams in his era. Teams filled with All Stars, MVPs, steroid users, and of course the DH. Him having ty RBI numbers on those mega stacked teams is because he mostly just hits singles and has little power. Do not act like it has anything to do with his spot because the Yankees are always near the top of the runs scored list every in year since they have a 250m+ annual team salary.

You're also looking at it backwards. Jeter doesn't have ty RBI numbers because he hit 1-2. Jeter hit 1-2 because he doesn't have the power to drive guys in, otherwise he would have been hitting 3-6 instead.

You can list all of Jeter's accomplishment including his penis size, and it won't change the fact that he's incredibly overrated.

The bolded is ignorant hyperbole. Just quit while you're behind and stop digging the hole deeper. Or maybe you can try and pretend Jeter's better than Ty Cobb too.

I have watched way more baseball than you. Evident in how hard you get over a .300 singles hitter. Any real baseball fan knows hitting .300 isn't that special when it's mostly singles. Like I said, he's barely even in the top 500 in slugging %. He is a glorified singles hitter who was WAY overhyped because he played in NY.

Its like you don't even watch baseball except on ESPN and formulate your entire opinion around their hype rather than reality.

[lefty]

baseball

[dbreiden83080]

You're also looking at it backwards. Jeter doesn't have ty RBI numbers because he hit 1-2. Jeter hit 1-2 because he doesn't have the power to drive guys in, otherwise he would have been hitting 3-6 instead.

I am still finding it funny that you keep harping on his power number when 90% of the players he can be compared to in his era that put up big power numbers were juiced out of their ing skulls. Should we talk about A-Rod in comparison? Was A-Rod better than Jeter? Mother er was taking so many roids he could have opened up his own clinic.. He also choked his ass off in the playoffs countless times while Jeter has a career full of postseason memories being clutch.. In the field and with the bat.. Lets talk about Sammy Sosa who suddenly went from hitting .270 and 30 HR's a year to 60 out of blue.. Was he better than Jeter? Not being a power hitter does not disqualify you from being an all time great. Right now I think Cano is on track to be one of the best 2nd baseman's of all time and he is maybe a 20 HR a year guy if that now that he is in Seattle.. One would think hitting .311 with 3400 hits and having 5 rings, 5 GG's world series MVP etc would be enough to say he is an all time great but for some haters like yourself I suspect you just look at those pinstripes and go into full on hissy fit mode..

[dbreiden83080]

I have watched way more baseball than you. Evident in how hard you get over a .300 singles hitter. Any real baseball fan knows hitting .300 isn't that special when it's mostly singles. Like I said, he's barely even in the top 500 in slugging %. He is a glorified singles hitter who was WAY overhyped because he played in NY.

BTW getting 3000 hits is so easy that only 28 men have ever done it.. And not all of those men having .300 averages.. But hitting all those singles is a piece of cake..