Jeter, Like Duncan, Makes the Routine Extraordinary

[Kidd K]

I am still finding it funny that you keep harping on his power number when 90% of the players he can be compared to in his era that put up big power numbers were juiced out of their ing skulls. Should we talk about A-Rod in comparison? Was A-Rod better than Jeter? Mother er was taking so many roids he could have opened up his own clinic.. He also choked his ass off in the playoffs countless times while Jeter has a career full of postseason memories being clutch.. In the field and with the bat.. Lets talk about Sammy Sosa who suddenly went from hitting .270 and 30 HR's a year to 60 out of blue.. Was he better than Jeter? Not being a power hitter does not disqualify you from being an all time great. Right now I think Cano is on track to be one of the best 2nd baseman's of all time and he is maybe a 20 HR a year guy if that now that he is in Seattle.. One would think hitting .311 with 3400 hits and having 5 rings, 5 GG's world series MVP etc would be enough to say he is an all time great but for some haters like yourself I suspect you just look at those pinstripes and go into full on hissy fit mode..

And not only do we no know if he never roided (not that I care either way), but quite a few of those players hit behind Jeter, forcing pitchers to pitch to him more. Jeter benefitted from roided up players giving him protection in the lineup, just like he benefitted from a nearly 300 million dollar annual team salary stocking the team with MVPs and all stars to make it as easy as possible for him to flourish.

And yes A-Rod was better than Jeter by a ton. He used roids though obviously.

Sosa was worlds ahead of Jeter and it's not even close.

I didn't say not being a power hitter disqualified players from being an all time great. You're straw manning because you don't have a valid argument. The thing is Jeter was not really outstanding at anything. Above average at plenty of things, but great at none. That's why he isn't an all time great.

I also see you couldn't resist trying to discredit me as a "hater" since you had no argument either. How sad for you.

BTW getting 3000 hits is so easy that only 28 men have ever done it.. And not all of those men having .300 averages.. But hitting all those singles is a piece of cake..

You're strawmanning again. I didn't say hitting 3,000 hits was easy or a piece of cake. I said Jeter isn't a top 200 player of all time. Where do you think getting 3,000 hits puts a guy on the MLB GOAT list exactly? lol. Above every pitcher ever? Above everyone who hasn't had a career long enough to get 3,000 hits?

Babe Ruth didn't get 3,000 hits. So is he better than Babe Ruth? Rhetorical question, clearly ing not. He only doesn't have as many hits because he had far less at bats (8,400 vs 11,000). So I think we can safely throw out 3,000 hits as making him any more special than players who did not reach 3,000 hits, which means we can throw out the fact that hitting 3,000 hits magically reserves him some top 30, top 50, or even top 100 spot, when it clearly does not.


Your issue is twofold. One: You obviously have a small pool of baseball knowledge to draw from if you're foolish enough to think Jeter is much better than 200th ever (I'm curious where you actually rank him. I'm sure that'll be good for a laugh). You are clearly massively underrating the all time greats and I'm assuming you must not be including ANY pitchers whatsoever because there's likely over 100 pitchers who are better than Jeter has been. Then we can start talking about position players, where over 100 are better too.

And two: You don't seem to have a great grasp on how important certain stats are, while you're hugely overvaluing some of the less important ones (BA and hits). SLG% means more than BA. Total bases means more than hits. RBI means more than. . .less RBI etc

Going back to your first strawman, being a power guy does not necessarily make you better than a non power guy, but the none power guy needs to contribute a of a lot more than .310, .440 SLG, 14 HR, 70 RBI and 18 SB to outdo .290, .530 SLG, 32 HR, 15 RBI and 5 SB. It simply doesn't measure up. The "average decent power guy" is contributing much more than Jeter has.

As for his gold gloves, let's just say he deserved a couple of them, and deserved a couple of them as much as Kobe did his last few All NBA 1st Defensive Team awards.

[ViceCity84]

What an insult to Tim Duncan.

[exstatic]

What an insult to Tim Duncan.

[Blizzardwizard]

Damnnn, this is like an Xmas vs ChumpDumper spat, except this one is interesting to read