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He's not THAT serious. And, I'm sure they're not surprised. They were prepared. Had the stationery ready.
And people forget how poorly DRob passed out of double teams sometimes, too.
He's not THAT serious. And, I'm sure they're not surprised. They were prepared. Had the stationery ready.
I always found his mid-range jumper lacking. Especially when we needed it the most. And, I'm not saying he wasn't a highly skilled big man. But, when you are differentiating between very good players, elite players, you have to look at skills that they only did "well" as "weaknesses" when evaluating greatness. He had a good but not great jump shot. He was an adequate passer, but not great, and he didn't have the finesse and touch around the basket that a Duncan and Diaw have.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 07-29-2014 at 09:32 AM.
That's a pretty broad definition of hypocrisy. I am sure they are acting in accord with how they think, and feel. They just don't think and feel the same way about him playing while injured for the national team. That's a different situation and you're trying to equate them and then call them hypocritical. They're not equal.My last take on this: The fact that they were willing to "risk" anything has little to do with it being hypocritical. Manu was in fact injured - the degree that they knew can be debated, but the injury itself cannot. They chose to let him play in the Finals because it benefited them and they do not want him to play in the World Cup because they have nothing to gain (and everything to lose) - it seems that we agree on that.
Hypocrisy is defined as: behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel.
If the Spurs honestly feel that Manu cannot and should not play basketball because of the risk of injury, he should not have been able to play in the Finals. Now, am I glad that they let him play in the Finals? ABSOLUTELY! Am I glad they're wanting him to sit out the summer? Again, ABSOLUTELY!
Just because one benefits from doing something hypocritical, doesn't negate the hypocrisy. In fact, isn't that why most people DO act hypocritical? They stand strongly to their beliefs and morals - until the opportunity presents itself where they benefit greatly from doing otherwise. Haven't you learned anything from politics?
This is a forum for Spurs fans.
This is not hypocrisy. The Spurs negotiated with Manu for exclusivity. They have an exclusive right to prevent his playing internationally if they believe it will adversely affect the Spurs. Manu, being a big boy, agreed to this clause.
Because the right is exclusive, the Spurs don't have to treat Argentina the same way. Hypocrisy is different treatment of the same matter in the same cir stances. Here, the cir stances are not the same.
1. I'm surprised by the decision, but I don't think it is necessarily a wrong decision.
2. Letters are sent as a means of 'formal' communication. In no way does the existence of a letter imply that phone calls or personal communications were not the
primary method of letting Manu know about the decision. Suggestions to the contrary are extremely naive, imo.
3. I just can't get the picture out of my mind of Manu on a balcony somewhere belting out the theme song from EVITA. sorry. Just can't get it out of my mind.
There's a mellifluous echo in here! Even better, The Spurs didn't even have to negotiate for the clause they used, if I understand it, it was negotiated by the league in the CBA.
Manu will PLAY in Fiba Tournament!
Great news. That was absolutely the right move to do.
that Argie BB Federation full of corruption. Spurs 1st, then the rest.
Since when?
Quote from manu's press conference in argentina, after the finals:
"I really dont know the original of the injury. Ive been carrying the pain for two or three months, but I was examined and nothing came up, so I kept playing. "
The spurs knew he was hurting. Pop even joked about it vs okc. The spurs medical staff either did not detect the injury or hid it (either to protect many from headhunters or to keep him on the court). Either way this situation reflects very poorly on them; its not that manu knew he was playing with a stress fracture, he just knew he was banged up. The specialist and Argentina NT docs say he can play. Manu says he feels much better ("before it hurt just to touch, not anymore"). I expect manu to fight this, and if he feels he is being screwed over he may very well resign his contract; contrary to what many people here think, manu is not motivated by money, nor pressures from argentina. He is motivated by basketball and his teammates, and if he feels the spurs aren't being fair he may well decide he rather go out on his own terms.
They did not detect it. You realize the rest is just speculation and conjecture posited as facts? Right? You haven't proved anything. Conspiracy theory. Manu said he didn't know when it happened and there was no diagnosis. He's always sore. We don't call him El Contusion for no reason. And, of course money isn't his only motivation, but he doesn't play for free, either, now does he?
If he decides to leave to play FIBA that's his prerogative. I won't cry over it. He's at the end of his career. How he decides to finish is fine. But, you're not going to hold me hostage over it. We can bring in a good player for 7 million. He won't be as good as Manu, but he probably won't be as old, either.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 07-29-2014 at 11:16 AM.
Not gonna happen. He won´t resign his contract.
Manu is motivated to play in FIBA because he wants to play with his longtime friends from the NT. Nothing else.
Not for the argie bb federation, or the fans, or whatever.
He just enjoys playing with those teammates. Some of them have been playing together for 20 years!
People who say " argentina", don´t understand that the federation has nothing to do in Manu´s decisión.
If the Spurs say no, Manu will be upset, but not to the point of throwing everything away.
This seems to be the situation so far, according to some journalists close to Manu:
- The Spurs have not made their decision official. Just like a month ago, when RC leaked the news of Manu's injury, he again went through his contacts in the press to put pressure on him and avoid the need for a formal refusal.
- They sent Manu an e-mail "advising" him not to play.
- Manu is fighting the decision.
My personal feeling is that Manu sees this lack of an official refusal as room for negotiation i.e. if the Spurs were final on their decision they would have said so on the record. I think he may be right on that, but at the same time I think it's possible that RC believes that a formal denial is too harsh or awkward, considering Manu's long history with the Spurs, and that this series of press leaks and friendly pieces of advice are a more tactful way of dealing with the issue.
I don't see Manu retiring or trying to negotiate a new contract for less money in order to play. I also don't buy the conspiracy theories about this being an elaborate ruse to free Manu of his NT duties. This is not the first time that this happened: with the 2010 WC approaching, the Spurs tried to talk Manu out of the tournament and they succeeded. Manu stepped down from the NT and nobody tried to burn down his house. By that time ARG fans knew what Manu was all about and one decision was not going to change that. Spurs fans should know that as well.
Saludos.
And, I am sure he also loves playing with his Spurs teammates, so he will not cut off his nose to spite his face.
Of course he enjoys playing the his Spurs teammates too. No doubt about it.
He enjoys playing. Period.
Manu is not stupid. He will not risk his body. If he is injured, he will be the first person to step down from the NT. He has earned the right to say NO to the NT whenever he wants.
Not sure why Argentina fans want to see Manu play in a tournament that many star players are ditching. I get the desire to play with teammates, but risking your long term health for a tournament you have little chance of winning and that will provide no actual benefit in terms of a spot at the Olympics makes little sense. They are better off if he rests and gets himself ready for the Olympics, where he most likely will not be under contract and probably be retired from the NBA and he can have one last chance to play in a tournament that actually means something. I would think Argentina fans would rather see him win NBA le no. 5 rather than lose in the semifinals of the FIBA tournament. Manu is a player, and true players always want to play, even through injury. But he needs someone that is not caught in the emotion to make the right decision for his career.
if the player is injured according to jeff McDonald spurs are within the rules to disallow a player to play
oh no lol I was enjoying the whole ordeal, please keep doing the voodoo that you do so well
The Spurs Manu-conflict: our humble opinion
Manu wants to play the World Cup with Argentina and from San Antonio will "suggest" that do not.
The injury still exists but is he serious? Keep you from playing the world in a month? The team doctor, Dr. Diego Grippo studies confirmed that giving him well and is on track to heal. Therefore, to continue his recovery Ginobili should have no physical problems for the World Cup.
That said, we believe that the position of San Antonio in a logical and expected. They want one of their stars be healthy, rested and all batteries to start a new season. They know that if Manu plays the world runs the risk of injury and does not hold many physical games in a row, as the format of the World does not help: consecutive rest.
San Antonio looks after its capital, not to risk. They want to keep winning and for that they need to play Gino fully as he did this season that won the championship.
If there is a verifiable injury, there is a clause that the NBA team gives him the power to deny participation to FIBA player as this global compe ion. So it's not illegal or anything like that is happening.
What seems unfair (from our perspective) is not to trust the judgment of Manu, as we believe that if he says he is fit to play, is because it really is so. We all know of their professionalism, commitment and experience. San Antonio Why not trust your word? Do not know, but there is a history of a similar situation in 2008 Ginobili felt about pain in his ankle since he suggested not play the Olympics this year. Manu finally decided to play in Beijing and resisted his injury.
It also does not seem adapting been reported as news, as both the lesion as yesterday's news, surfaced tweets SA journalists. Is not it better to do so official voices?
After so many years (and les) of this "relationship" Ginobili San Antonio, why not let him play and ready? But knowing he is about to retire and have already won everything (and recently).
That said and more whatever the outcome of this situation, we must not lose sight of these things:
Be grateful for everything you did and does Manu for Argentina national team. Not only the amazing les that got near the Golden Generation, but also his commitment to the team. At 37, after a long season / demanding held in San Antonio and also with a newborn child; as comfortable and reasonable would have deserved break to share your time with your family.
We value AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE BE GRATEFUL, GINOBILI MANU EN ARGENTINA. THANKS GENIUS! infomanu!
ARG coach included Manu in the shortlist of 15 players today...
ugh let it go lol
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