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    sony doesn’t even have to make good movies to make bank. losers would still line up see them.
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    A lot of ing about sony, while people should be ing about disney.

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    A lot of ing about sony, while people should be ing about disney.
    Nah. Sony has shown they're shit when they have creative control. Venom did well bc avg fan was stupid enough to think it was an actual MCU movie, most likely. That gravy train won't continue. We'll have another spiderman reboot within 5 years with sony at the helm. Dumb.

    I think the Holland shine will wear off real quick when he follows a script that isn't right for him and completely ignore his entire mythos in this iteration going forward
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    Nah. Sony has shown they're shit when they have creative control. Venom did well bc avg fan was stupid enough to think it was an actual MCU movie, most likely. That gravy train won't continue. We'll have another spiderman reboot within 5 years with sony at the helm. Dumb.

    I think the Holland shine will wear off real quick when he follows a script that isn't right for him and completely ignore his entire mythos in this iteration going forward
    all the sony's spider-man movies did very well. They showed that they don't really need disney. And going from 5% to 50% is a shitty move by disney, while they already make all the money from merch.
    I am also not the biggest fan of this new Spider-man, cause to me he looks like Iron-Man Jr. I loved him in Civil War. I think both of his solo movies are not that great, but just OK. Still better than the Amazing Spider-man, but not really as good as SM2 or even 1. I get it that some people don't agree, but that's just my opinion. I am also pretty sure they will make a new deal and by New Year SM will be back in the MCU, which needs him cause Phase 4 looks shit.

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    I do kind of chuckle at folks saying Sony is going to somehow lose money by going on its own. Even the crappiest Spider-Man movie grossed $700 million. It will be interesting to see how Venom 2 shapes up as far as the budget goes. Hiring Sekris seems like a good gamble. Still not expecting great writing.
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    all the sony's spider-man movies did very well. They showed that they don't really need disney. And going from 5% to 50% is a shitty move by disney, while they already make all the money from merch.
    I am also not the biggest fan of this new Spider-man, cause to me he looks like Iron-Man Jr. I loved him in Civil War. I think both of his solo movies are not that great, but just OK. Still better than the Amazing Spider-man, but not really as good as SM2 or even 1. I get it that some people don't agree, but that's just my opinion. I am also pretty sure they will make a new deal and by New Year SM will be back in the MCU, which needs him cause Phase 4 looks shit.
    No one is saying otherwise. That's why I said they'll reboot it.
    From fans perspective it's stupid though because those Sony movies are total fraud shit. The Solo sony holland movies will do well but be made fun of hard core.
    That's why I mentioned venom. It made a killing but it blew and had 70 yo woody harrleson as carnage roflrofl

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    I do kind of chuckle at folks saying Sony is going to somehow lose money by going on its own. Even the crappiest Spider-Man movie grossed $700 million. It will be interesting to see how Venom 2 shapes up as far as the budget goes. Hiring Sekris seems like a good gamble. Still not expecting great writing.
    Yes but ASM2 was pretty bad and it looked like the the series was going in the wrong direction. They spend so much money creating and advertising these movies that $700 million gross doesn't necessarily mean they make their money back.

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    Yes but ASM2 was pretty bad and it looked like the the series was going in the wrong direction. They spend so much money creating and advertising these movies that $700 million gross doesn't necessarily mean they make their money back.
    It only really did badly in the states. That was the difference between the numbers for ASM and ASM2. The writing/rewriting in ASM2 was indeed terrible and no one was looking forward to the Sinister Seven they were planning. I think they probably learned some movie making lessons from Feige and budget ideas from Venom; enough to give them confidence to go ahead alone if they have to. It was going to be weird to have a Spidey/Venom movie while ignoring all the MCU stuff anyway. They got the Toms for two more movies. A solo movie for each, then Spidey/Venom and worry about the future after that. It's going to be very difficult to screw that up in basic money terms IMO.

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    Story spreading now that Marvel/Disney asked for more of a split after Dark Phoenix flopped. Makes sense
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    Story spreading now that Marvel/Disney asked for more of a split after Dark Phoenix flopped. Makes sense
    Disney bought Fox for 71 billions, I am sure they will survive with the 150M Dark Phoenix lost. Also, Dark Phoenix still counts as a Fox movie. Disney just wants to own everything, them.

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    dark phoenix was still a fox production, not marvel/disney, wasn't it?

    i dont see why dark phoenix' performance would be a motivating factor in a deal between disney and sony

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    dark phoenix was still a fox production, not marvel/disney, wasn't it?

    i dont see why dark phoenix' performance would be a motivating factor in a deal between disney and sony
    https://www.cinemablend.com/news/247...ider-man-split

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    article title is in the form of a question.

    the insinuation is that they decided to let spiderman go so feige can focus on the fox imports. doesn't make sense at all. spiderman is the biggest draw they have.

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    If Sony does do a spider-verse movie with Garfield and McGuire, which they should, because $$$$$. Then that's how they get around the Avengers thing Hollands spider-man gets transported to one of the other worlds, with no avengers.
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    If Sony does do a spider-verse movie with Garfield and McGuire, which they should, because $$$$$. Then that's how they get around the Avengers thing Hollands spider-man gets transported to one of the other worlds, with no avengers.
    True. Stick Miles in there if Holland doesn't want to come back after that.

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    Disney got greedy, plain and simple. Dark Phoenix bombing doesn't change that. No way Sony was going 50/50 on their most valuable franchise.
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    I was just about to say the main MCU has a real dearth of young heroes if they lose Spider-Man. Lo and behold it leaks that Ms. Marvel is being developed for Disney+. Will be interesting if that revives the whole inhumans storyline from Agents of Shield or they go another direction. Terrigen has been in the ocean for five years (I guess ten after Endgame) so Kamala could just get the bad fish oil.

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    Not a huge fan of Holland’s SM after rewatching a few months back. Still haven’t seen the second one.

    He doesn’t suck, but its kinda meh. Just a little too goofy. His constant overreacting “oh no” style high pitched voice for every situation gets old pretty quickly.

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    If Sony does do a spider-verse movie with Garfield and McGuire, which they should, because $$$$$. Then that's how they get around the Avengers thing Hollands spider-man gets transported to one of the other worlds, with no avengers.
    Are they in the post credits for Far from Home? Thought I heard that somewhere. I thought that’s kinda where they were headed if it was true.

    I thought Spiderverse was great.

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    all the sony's spider-man movies did very well. They showed that they don't really need disney. And going from 5% to 50% is a shitty move by disney, while they already make all the money from merch.
    I am also not the biggest fan of this new Spider-man, cause to me he looks like Iron-Man Jr. I loved him in Civil War. I think both of his solo movies are not that great, but just OK. Still better than the Amazing Spider-man, but not really as good as SM2 or even 1. I get it that some people don't agree, but that's just my opinion. I am also pretty sure they will make a new deal and by New Year SM will be back in the MCU, which needs him cause Phase 4 looks shit.
    -Phase 4 looks fine tbh, their expanding on existing characters and adding new ones to the game. Phase 5 (starting in 2022) is shaping up to be crazy (BP 2, Captain Marvel 2, GOTG 3, Blade, Fantastic 4, New Avengers, and limited series' possibly based around Ms. Marvel and also War Machine)

    -Really don't agree on the Raimi Trilogy. Bad acting and overall corniness hurt them. Only Spider man 2 is decent and that's because the Doc OC and Spider-Man fight scenes still hold up. I hold the Amazing Spiderman series in higher regard, the first one at least because Garfield and Stone acted circles around Franko and McGuire (Franko in particular, McGuire was stiff as a board) and better directed. Homecoming and FFH are the two best movies by far, though.

    I do kind of chuckle at folks saying Sony is going to somehow lose money by going on its own. Even the crappiest Spider-Man movie grossed $700 million. It will be interesting to see how Venom 2 shapes up as far as the budget goes. Hiring Sekris seems like a good gamble. Still not expecting great writing.
    -Actively pissing off the fan base isn't good for business, tbh. Why do $800 million when they could do $1 Billion? That is losing money. The first two Holland movies did a combined 1.9 Billion.
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    -Actively pissing off the fan base isn't good for business, tbh. Why do $800 million when they could do $1 Billion? That is losing money. The first two Holland movies did a combined 1.9 Billion.
    Why give away half? That is losing money.

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    Why give away half? That is losing money.
    That too, but going back to the table and renegotiating down is really the best option. The fans blame them and they have a famously sketchy track record with superhero movies.

    It's better to have the MCU connection because of the shared characters that could appear in Spider-Man (Deadpool, Daredevil, King Pin, Fantastic 4, for example) than to start a viliian-verse with Morbius and Venom.

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    Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) series reportedly happening for Disney+ according to Hollywood Reporter.

    Likely going to be in phase 5, just before Captain Marvel 2 comes out.

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    That too, but going back to the table and renegotiating down is really the best option. The fans blame them and they have a famously sketchy track record with superhero movies..
    I don't blame them, though I do think negotiating would be a good idea.

    It's great having Spidey in the MCU but he's completely dependent on his MCU connections here, which is ultimately a bit lame because half of the character's appeal is his having to figure out the superhero business on his own. We're missing a whole lot by his being Sticky Iron Man.

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    Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) series reportedly happening for Disney+ according to Hollywood Reporter.

    Likely going to be in phase 5, just before Captain Marvel 2 comes out.
    Also confirmed are Moon Knight and She Hulk

    Kit whatshisname from Games of Thrones is being considered by Marvel Studios for an unknown role


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