Tony
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Off topic, but how many goals did Messi score outside of the qualifiers at the 2014 WC?
I don't know all the PGs in the NBA over all the years but I sure do know parker is an underperformer. I can probably only point to 2 or 3 times he played great and in some he just fizzled out. The only one defining moment as a PG was in 2007 and even then the Cavs never had a chance. You explain to me now how Tony has had any positive impact in any spurs championship besides the 2007 cavs.
Tony parker has an "injury" has been his saving grace for some time now.
I was thinking only starting point guards should count. I'm ruling out Claxton b/c parker was really young back then. His first rodeo. Mills is really a gino puppet.
oh, never mind then. carry on.
I don't claim Parker has been dominant in the playoffs. He did coatail off Duncan and Gino to a lesser extend.
So Dabom has 1/2 the argument. Dabom, Harlem has famously said that no point guard led team will win the le...do you agree...if so why.
And then, if all point guards struggle in the playoffs, why is Parker special?
that's kinda random... IIRC, 4 goals...
Not to derail this thread, but I thought Patty played WAY over his head in last playoffs. Which was great, obviously. If you have a min, check out SVG going nuts over Mills shooting in Games 4 and 5 of the Finals...
no it's cool, i appreciate well crafted parker jokes so long as they are not shoved down my face by player fan or repeated until they become memes. I have repeatedly stated that i actually find Harlem's trolling to be funny. It's the various puppets taking things too seriously and Apo's addiction to the new thread button that are ruining this forum.
Greatest coach in the world. Greatest system in the world. GOAT of his generation to bail him out in crunch time. Duncan probably gets the rock the most out of any spur in crunch time. And he still comes through.
Greatest FO in the world to get GEMS like Kawhi. Beast for the next Spur generation. Elite role players like patty tiago and green. This team goes as far as duncan or Kawhi goes. Parker is just there for the ride tbh.
No lmao. Let me put it this way.. How many goals has Messi scored during elimination stages in all of his WC's?
congrats to Malik/Harlem/Apocalypse for jerking itself off to TP's weight fluctuations.
you mean out of the group stage? 5 goals total.
Dabom, I'm going to bed, but the Puzzle is still, why is parker a role player when Harlem has said all Point Guards across time and history require help to win championships. I'll go bump that thread again tonight to help y'all
Both need to play defense. I agree with you that both of them weren't great on the road trip as a whole. That's a fair statement.
Kawhi definitely had some off games, both offensively and defensively. I think both of their main problems were that they weren't good on offense and they combined that by not playing good defense on top of that. Kawhi was pressing on offense the first game back from the All-Star break and he had games where he wasn't playing good defense at all, well not until these last two games anyway. It seemed like he completely forgot about trying to focus on defense that first game back against the Clippers and he was just pressing to score. I think he let his offensive struggles affect his defense. Now that he's back to playing defense, the offense is starting to come to him. That's the way he needs to play. He's a monster defensively, that when combined with Danny and Tiago playing to their capabilities on that end of the court, those three help make the Spurs a really, really good defensive team.
I don't know if TP's struggles are due to injury, but if he's OK physically, then I'd like to see him concentrate on trying to play better defense and just run the team on offense. His offense will come back to him if he's somewhat healthy. He just needs to not press, just play defense and run the team.
rather than bump the thread and ruin the nba forum, here:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=point+guard Thats from 2013. It's good.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244069 this one is Apos.
Happy reading.
HERES MORE!!!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=point+guard classic tony hate
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=point+guard
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=point+guard ... not really relevant (coaches) but holy cow that second post with the Jacque Vaughn bads.
Oh man and while i'm digging up old threads...APO this was you!!!! ing about trolls in 2011 and look what you became today!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ight=obsession
Last edited by K...; 03-01-2015 at 11:45 PM.
The "PG-led teams will never win a championship" theory is originally from DOK, tbh...
In hindsight, this is a terrible thread too, tbh...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119145
This is mostly about TP shrinking in the playoffs. 2012 and 2013. Also right before the 2014 playoffs where tony sucked balls tbh. You'll mostly find tp shrinking in the playoffs. If we lost a series, TP is probably the main culprit outside of some legendary plays. FYI Magic is a Point forward. Billups was probably a whole team effort. I don't know about IT so I can't really say much. Putting ur chips on a PG is idiotic if you ask me. UR PG can't be ur best player or else your never going to win a chip outside of anomalies.
Saying a PG led team won't win a le/PGs are overrated isn't the same as saying all PGs struggle in the playoffs.
It's more of a case of TP being uniquely bad in the playoffs compared to other points. Look at Parker compared to a few of his contemporaries at the point guard position when it comes to playoff production.
118 ORtg - Billups
116 ORtg - Nash
117 ORtg - Paul
103 ORtg - Parker
Now let's look at efficiency:
.583 TS% - Nash
.578 TS% - Billups
.575 TS% - Paul
.518 TS% - Parker
He's nowhere near the other three. It's pretty disappointing because Tony's pretty damn good in the regular season(109 ORtg, 55 TS%). He just seem unable to translate that into the playoffs. Not that surprising the Spurs have suffered some legendary choke jobs in the post-season
There's nothing wrong with heroballing if you're good at it. TP makes for a pretty ty heroballer though - he's not a natural shooter like Nash and he can't draw free throws like Billups. He's just not suited to carry an offense. He has some flukish series where he goes off like '07 Cavs or the '09 Mavs but, more often than not, he's not that great at it. Regular season, he's fine. Playoffs is the problems. He's the Karl Malone of point guards.
And that Kobe comparison isn't too good. Yeah, we all make fun of the narcissist chucker but he's a pretty efficient ISO player when he wants to be. Has a career .541 TS% in the post-season. Compare that to TP's crappy .518 TS%.
Cause Beno was much worse? Manu was always the best playmaker for the Spurs in the playoffs. Then and now. Beno wasn't even an option. He choked worse than Parker.
No, you're using a stat that's archaic and misrepresents players that can draw fouls or shoot threes. Duncan and Manu are both particulary good at drawing fouls. Manu can shoot from deep. We're comparing the efficiency of all three players so it makes sense to use a stat that compensates properly for three pointers and free throws. Like I said, TS% is a better gauge of efficiency in this comparison. Why punish Duncan and Manu for having skills that Parker doesn't have?
Last edited by Johnny RIngo; 03-02-2015 at 12:44 AM.
classy thread tbh
nice to see a poster concerned by a player's health
you will be missed
He had a great career and is a lock for the HOF. He's Tony (Enrique) Parker, one of the most amazing heroballers I've ever seen. Those 6 assists per game will be missed..
I'd like to express my deepest sympathy on your sad loss TheGreat got, hater, cry havoc, Brazil (or France i don't know), Porker Mason, etc. This thread is a tribute of our beloved number 9 so please, everyone come here and post his bad stats tbh.
Now let's remember the greates moments of him:
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oh boy I had to make a deep look of his career and only found a few, well let's see:
1 shot in the 2013 finals against Miami where he choked ala Tony..
As a singer:
2007 - RANK 19 (France) album TP (dat name though)
He co-directed a one hour movie called "Un Chiffre, un homme" in 2008 and he also appeared in the 2008 French film Asterix at the olimpic games.
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