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    I know right? The reaction by Barkey on the final shot is priceless.

    Wow, that's some range for the 90s

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    Happens all the time. These non NBA ready players try to take shortcuts and they're out of the league in two years or less. Basketball is a discipline like anything else. He has to go through his paces. This is especially true of persons who are not physically strong like him.
    Like whom? For every player that is out of the league by year 2 (if it ever happened) I can name you 5 others that had a good long career, including many superstars.

    On average there are a lot more lottery picks flops coming out of college than straight out of high school.

    If the guy flopped in the NBA it isn't because he skipped college, it is because he wasn't all that good to begin with.

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    Like whom? For every player that is out of the league by year 2 (if it ever happened) I can name you 5 others that had a good long career, including many superstars.

    On average there are a lot more lottery picks flops coming out of college than straight out of high school.

    If the guy flopped in the NBA it isn't because he skipped college, it is because he wasn't all that good to begin with.
    You're painfully unaware of the numbers of players making it / not making.

    The G League has probably extended players chances a bit. But it's a good number who are written off rather quickly.

    And nobody will tell you they want to play in the abyss of the G League for too long. College is at least an enriching experience.

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    You're painfully unaware of the numbers of players making it / not making.

    The G League has probably extended players chances a bit. But it's a good number who are written off rather quickly.

    And nobody will tell you they want to play in the abyss of the G League for too long. College is at least an enriching experience.
    No, I'm not. Out of 45 high school players to have been drafted by NBA teams, only 4 played 2 or less seasons in the NBA, with 2 others that never made it to the NBA.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_...e%20Stoudemire.

    That's a pretty good ratio if you ask me. A of a lot better than college players, tbh.

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    No, I'm not. Out of 45 high school players to have been drafted by NBA teams, only 4 played 2 or less seasons in the NBA, with 2 others that never made it to the NBA.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_...e%20Stoudemire.

    That's a pretty good ratio if you ask me. A of a lot better than college players, tbh.
    That's back when it was only the blue chip talents going high school to NBA.

    I'm talking about your average shmucks doing a year of college and then declaring.

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    That's back when it was only the blue chip talents going high school to NBA.

    I'm talking about your average shmucks doing a year of college and then declaring.
    But that's not skipping college.

    If a guy is talented and strong willed enough to make it professionally, he's better off becoming a pro as soon as possible, instead of wasting years in college.

    There isn't a single place in Earth, except for the US, where players are forced to go to college when they are good enough to become pros. It just makes no sense at all. Messi was already one of the greatest players on Earth by age 18. Do you imagine him having to waste 3 or 4 years in college before turning pro? It would have cost him millions of dollars and tons of accomplishments.

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    But that's not skipping college.

    If a guy is talented and strong willed enough to make it professionally, he's better off becoming a pro as soon as possible, instead of wasting years in college.

    There isn't a single place in Earth, except for the US, where players are forced to go to college when they are good enough to become pros. It just makes no sense at all. Messi was already one of the greatest players on Earth by age 18. Do you imagine him having to waste 3 or 4 years in college before turning pro? It would have cost him millions of dollars and tons of accomplishments.
    I meant effectively skipping college or skipping college by "training".

    These one-and-dones are busts more than not if they're nothing special. They're weak by NBA standards and they lose confidence and head downhill fast.
    There's a big difference between experience 21 and 22 year-old in the right body and some dumb ass 19 year-old. It's just the way of the world, bro.

    It would cost him money to wait if he was something special. It'll cost him everything by jumping too soon and failing. Cos let's face it; these guys don't invest their first contract earnings wisely (if they even get on one and aren't cut first).

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    I meant effectively skipping college or skipping college by "training".

    These one-and-dones are busts more than not if they're nothing special. They're weak by NBA standards and they lose confidence and head downhill fast.
    There's a big difference between experience 21 and 22 year-old in the right body and some dumb ass 19 year-old. It's just the way of the world, bro.

    It would cost him money to wait if he was something special. It'll cost him everything by jumping too soon and failing. Cos let's face it; these guys don't invest their first contract earnings wisely (if they even get on one and aren't cut first).
    If they're nothing special, they aren't going to do anything special whether they go to college or not. There isn't a single thing earned by going to college instead of turning pro.

    -Training is better at the NBA level than at the college level.
    -You accelerate your development by training with faster, stronger, smarter guys.
    -You gain experience earlier.
    -And last but not least, you make money.

    If you go to the NBA at age 18 and you flop, chances are you would have flopped either way, college or not. This way at least you got a contract.

    The problem with the college system in the US is that it has become a businesses. That's why you can't have all the best players skipping college 'cause the product would suck (more than it already does. Seriously, I don't understand the appeal of college basketball). It is a disgusting business where old rich people exploit talented young kids.

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    If they're nothing special, they aren't going to do anything special whether they go to college or not.
    No, they're gonna learn the discipline of basketball and be prepared to contribute in a practical way. They may be "nothing special" in that they're role players or specialist or end-of-the-bench players. But they'll be set contributors for years. They'll be past their illusions of grandeur and take a realistic approach to the game.

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    No, they're gonna learn the discipline of basketball and be prepared to contribute in a practical way. They may be "nothing special" in that they're role players or specialist or end-of-the-bench players. But they'll be set contributors for years. They'll be past their illusions of grandeur and take a realistic approach to the game.
    They can learn that much better at the professional level.

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    If you go to the NBA at age 18 and you flop, chances are you would have flopped either way, college or not.
    You have no idea the difference between a raw dumb ass 19-year-old in a weak body and 21-22 year-old in a built body and with experience.

    Your head is way up your ass on this one.

    ......

    Sure, there are maybe a some who will potentially benefit financially from being one and dones. And that number may even be growing as the NBA gets weaker and weaker (less physical); but they're the exception, not the rule.

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    You have no idea the difference between a raw dumb ass 19-year-old in a weak body and 21-22 year-old in a built body and with experience.
    Yeah, so?

    The guy will spend a couple of years as a bench warmer, going from the first team to the G-league. He will still develop a lot better and faster than by kicking future wall-mart employees ass in college.

    If a guy gets to the NBA at age 18, and has what it takes, by age 20 he's already ready to go, having already done his period of NBA transition. A guy that wasted 2 years in college, still has to go through that adapting stage at age 20. It's a monumental waste of time and lifespan.

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    Yeah, so?

    The guy will spend a couple of years as a bench warmer, going from the first team to the G-league. He will still develop a lot better and faster than by kicking future wall-mart employees ass in college.

    If a guy gets to the NBA at age 18, and has what it takes, by age 20 he's already ready to go, having already done his period of NBA transition. A guy that wasted 2 years in college, still has to go through that adapting stage at age 20. It's a monumental waste of time and lifespan.
    A good number of these players you talk about are establishing a limited ceiling that GMs often don't have the want for. They'll want to use a bench spot for someone with much higher potential upside.

    Don't get me wrong; some players will start rough and grind it out. But they're often few and far between. A young player who comes in struggling and loses his confidence is rarely making it to that second contract.

    It's called setting yourself up for success. Have that foundation. The only real risk for these non superstars is increased exposure to injury before the NBA.

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    Nuggets looking stacked tbh

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    Manute bombing away before big men doing that was a thing:

    Better than Chef, tbh

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    I'm not sure how it'll translate in real games but Bol looks real comfortable out there. Dribbling, passing, shooting, whatever. It'd be fun to see a big man make it in this league.

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    Nuggets looking stacked tbh
    Hope he makes it. Damn I didn't realize Denver never even gave him an NBA contract. Guy with upside like that I would have signed for a couple of years at minimum salary, maybe even three years depending on what the salary cap rules are like now in case he blows up in that time so they wouldn't be in a Golden State - Gibert Arenas situation.

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    Hope he makes it. Damn I didn't realize Denver never even gave him an NBA contract. Guy with upside like that I would have signed for a couple of years at minimum salary, maybe even three years depending on what the salary cap rules are like now in case he blows up in that time so they wouldn't be in a Golden State - Gibert Arenas situation.
    I agree, lock him in longterm and give Manute the keys to the gym. So much potential/upside especially when the league wants to go big like Milwaukee and Giannis.

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