NBA: KG and Dirk..

[FkLA]

Still idiotic. If you are speaking purely on his game being more balanced, then I fully agree. He has a better all-around game than them. But by no means is a better basketball player or more talented.



Scoring points does not make you an offensive force. If you can be contained without double teams, and frequently fall apart in the clutch, you are not an offensive force. No one ever truly feared KG offensively. The years that his team made deep playoff runs, it was either Cassell, Spreewell, Pierce, or Allen handling the bulk of the scoring, because KG was more of a "junk" scorer, than a legit go-to option. Most of his offense came off transition, put-backs, and mid-range kick-out jumpers. KG rarely was known for attacking defenses successfully.



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I agree. Dirk is also simply a better basketball player, which is also the reason you would start a franchise with him first too, not simply because of surrounding variables. Whether someone has more skill or has a more well rounded game, doesn't make you a better basketball player, while being a "one-trick pony" doesn't make you an inferior basketball player. Shaq was arguably a one trick pony, while Vlade Divac was both more well rounded and skilled. However, no one in their right mind would take Vlade over Shaq.

lol idiot

[Phillip]

lol idiot

lol kawhi
lol guaranteeing 1st team all nba
lol no all team selection

[Alex's foreskin]

A 40 year old Malone bodied KG and Duncan in one playoff run

[Malik Hairston]

A 40 year old Malone bodied KG and Duncan in one playoff run

True, but as a role player that didn't have to exert any energy on offense..

[DAF86]

Why does Dirk gets so sucked over here? KG > Dirk to whoever knows how to watch basketball besides fadeaways jumpers.

[lefty]

Dirk
tall jump shooter
thats all folks

[Phillip]

Why does Dirk gets so sucked over here? KG > Dirk to whoever knows how to watch basketball besides fadeaways jumpers.

clearly you don't watch basketball

[DAF86]

clearly you don't watch basketball

Sup? Mr Garrison called, said you are a got.

[TDfan2007]

A 40 year old Malone bodied KG and Duncan in one playoff run

Are we pretending that Duncan wasn't doubled incessantly the for the last 4 games of that series? Once Phil figured out that Tony couldn't do anything other than score in the paint and that Turkoglu was a choker, the series was over.

[TDfan2007]

clearly you don't watch basketball

Clearly you don't understand that basketball is a 2 way sport. KG was one of the best defensive bigs of all time who STILL gave you 20+ points and 5 assists. He was an excellent passer, great mid range shooter, and had a solid faceup game.

Lol arguing with you about Dirk vs. KG is like arguing with a Kobe fan that LeBron is better than Kobe. You only seem interested in one part of the game, scoring.

[Clipper Nation]

Why does Dirk gets so sucked over here? KG > Dirk to whoever knows how to watch basketball besides fadeaways jumpers.

KG was the Kevin Scrub statpadder of his era. Ray Allen carried him to a ring, broke back belly draggin'.

[baseline bum]

Why does Dirk gets so sucked over here? KG > Dirk to whoever knows how to watch basketball besides fadeaways jumpers.

Because he carried a team with no second star to a le in a brutal run.

[Phillip]

Clearly you don't understand that basketball is a 2 way sport. KG was one of the best defensive bigs of all time who STILL gave you 20+ points and 5 assists. He was an excellent passer, great mid range shooter, and had a solid faceup game.

Lol arguing with you about Dirk vs. KG is like arguing with a Kobe fan that LeBron is better than Kobe. You only seem interested in one part of the game, scoring.

Incorrect. Anyone with a brain knows KG was a stat padder who was a mediocre offensive force for a "superstar" player.

Also, while balance is key, fact is, if there was one aspect of the game that is more important than the rest, scoring is it.

[daslicer]

A 40 year old Malone bodied KG and Duncan in one playoff run

That series was a handicap matchup for Duncan. It was Duncan vs a tag team of Malone and Shaq. Malone exerted all his energy on defense along with getting help from Shaq to double team Duncan while Duncan had to exert his energy to guard Shaq since Rasho couldn't do it in the series along with being the anchor on offense and defense.

[DMC]

KG isn't worthy of such discussion. He wasn't even the best PF in the game while he was playing.

[TDfan2007]

So...Dirk vs KG aside, where do Malone and Barkley fit in?

IMO
1) KG
2) Malone
3) Dirk
4) Barkley

But honestly I feel like these guys are all interchangeable.

[DMC]

Malone
Barkley
Dirk
KG

For talent and effectiveness in RS

Dirk
KG
Malone
Barkley

For ability to see it through

Dirk ahead of KG just due to the "I care too much" crying that KG did.

[TDfan2007]

Incorrect. Anyone with a brain knows KG was a stat padder who was a mediocre offensive force for a "superstar" player.

Also, while balance is key, fact is, if there was one aspect of the game that is more important than the rest, scoring is it.

Agreed that scoring is the most important, but I disagree that KG was a stat padder. He just didn't have that killer instinct on offense that great scorers did. He was too unselfish andon't maybe unwilling to be the guy as well

[Arcadian]

[DAF86]

Because he carried a team with no second star to a le in a brutal run.

Dirk's 2011 run was impressive no doubt but it's one year and that supporting cast was highly underrated. That Mavs team had Tyson which was the equivalent to Dirk on the defensive end plus 3 other great defenders (Kidd, Stevenson and Marion) on the starting line-up to make up for Dirk's shortcomings on the defensive end and on the other side of the ball they got hot at the right time. Let's not forget that while Dirk was shooting 40% from the field against the Heat the rest of the guys were raining threes. They had a top 2 coach too, tbh.

[Phillip]

He just didn't have that killer instinct on offense that great scorers did. He was too unselfish andon't maybe unwilling to be the guy as well

That's a pretty huge problem, and the reason why KG is clearly an inferior basketball player to Dirk.

[Phillip]

Dirk's 2011 run was impressive no doubt but it's one year and that supporting cast was highly underrated. That Mavs team had Tyson which was the equivalent to Dirk on the defensive end plus 3 other great defenders (Kidd, Stevenson and Marion) on the starting line-up to make up for Dirk's shortcomings on the defensive end and on the other side of the ball they got hot at the right time. Let's not forget that while Dirk was shooting 40% from the field against the Heat the rest of the guys were raining threes. They had a top 2 coach too, tbh.

The way you describe the Mavs, they must be among the 3 greatest teams of all time. That supporting cast sounds 100% flawless by your description. Great analysis

[DAF86]

Drik's championship run gets overrated and KG's gets underrated, tbh.

[DAF86]

The way you describe the Mavs, they must be among the 3 greatest teams of all time. That supporting cast sounds 100% flawless by your description. Great analysis

-Wasn't Tyson the equivalent to Dirk on the defensive end?
-Weren't all the Mavs regular starters great defenders except Dirk?
-Didn't they got hot at the right time?
-Wasn't Carlisle a top 2, maybe even the best coach on the NBA at that time?

Tell me where I'm wrong.

[Alex's foreskin]

KG was the Kevin Scrub statpadder of his era. Ray Allen carried him to a ring, broke back belly draggin'.

Funny you say that though Allen's biggest shot came carrying LeBron to a ring, got.