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    i wish injuries on that whole pos clipper team, serious bush league. And i hate the mavs too but this is classless. Jordan won't even talk to Cuban like a man, what a pussy I hope he tears every ligament in his knee.

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    Don't think it affects the Spurs all that much. Duncan plays likes he's 27 years old against Jordan and Blake might faint having to defend LA/Diaw/West for 40 minutes. Stephenson is coming off the worst 3pt season in NBA history, teams are going to dare him to shoot and back the paint.

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    Again, this won't work. No lawsuit will be filed. Jordan had no legal obligation to sign with Mavs and Mavs knew it.

    Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

    Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.

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    I don't understand why people are blaming the Clippers on this.

    Deandre said he was going to sign with the Mavs. For whatever reason he started to second guess his decision. He DID NOT sign a contract with the mavs. He then picks up the phone and calls Doc and tell him he is second guessing his decision and wants to talk.

    Why would the Clips not pursue him at that point?!?

    They would have been stupid to say, "Sorry Deandre, we heard that you told the Mavs you were going to sign there. So b/c of that we can't discuss you coming back here instead when we really wanted you to pick us over Dallas in the first place."

    They made the right decision. They flew to Houston. Met with Deandre, and are locking him up now.

    The only thing that should have happened differently is that Deandre should have manned up and called Cubes and told him he was leaving.

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    Pretty Cuban done the right move. Jordan will no longer be welcomed in Dallas with open arms by fans for what happened, anyway.
    I'd watch when these two teams first meet this season in Dallas and see the fans' reaction..
    Right. It's one thing to have second thoughts. That's human and deep down we can all understand that. But to ignore and hide from a guy that wanted to pay you 80 million is classless. Just man up and be straight. He'll rumor has it the Spurs let Korver out of a contract when he had second thoughts. Cuban would have let him walk without the same hard feelings.

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    Sucks for Cuban. I respect him for fielding good teams consistently. They could of have a solid playoff team, not a contender but top six possibly.

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    David trying to keep it classy. He knows there will be to pay.

    You can just about bet that Cuban will think of something special to make his point. Embarrass the Clippers, embarrass the league, make a game a circus sideshow? Most people will cheer and think it's funny, and Cuban will get a big-ass fine. But I just can't see him going away quietly.

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    Clippers had their chance to negotiate, and they let him go. Then the entire organization goes crying to him days after he agrees to a deal. I guarantee Mark Cuban will vote not to change the moratorium. He's going to own the Mavericks for a lot of years.

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    Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

    Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.
    i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.

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    off topic but I started to pick at me screen thinking it was a dam fly there
    Got em

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    Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

    Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.
    It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

    This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

    EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-compe ive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.

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    I don't think this meets Estoppel. You have to actually have monetary loss to have a case of Estoppel.

    Classic insurance example:

    Your insurance carrier tell you that you have coverage after an accident. You go get you car repaired because of them telling you there is coverage. They then realize there should not have been coverage and tell you they cannot pay for your damages, but you have already had the repairs completed.

    You are now out money b/c you wouldd not have gotten teh vehicle repaired if you knew there was not coverage. The insurance carrier would then have to pay for the repairs regardless b/c of this.

    I dont see how the Mavs would be able to say they were out anything monetary in this situation.

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    I WISH POP will CONTINUE TO HACK DeANDRE next season. He deserves the embarassment.

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    Pretty much Longhorn vs. Aggie.
    Seriously? If you want to look at integrity when it comes to those schools, which would be more damning - a one-and-done player who was at A&M for a year (seven years ago) reneging on his verbal agreement to go to Dallas, or the Texas coaching staff waiting until the day after signing day (when kids were locked up) to announce the position coaches they committed to were leaving the school?

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...ove-to-gators/ (leaving the day after Lampkin signs).

    http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews....-release.html/ (still refusing to release Lampkin).

    This is not a road you want to go down.

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    I don't understand why people are blaming the Clippers on this.

    Seriously? You don't do it because it's just not done. If this gets started, if s up the whole offseason process. Nobody can count on any agreement during this part of the offseason. Teams don't know if they can quit pursuing other players. , players don't know if they have a deal - a team could swing another player cheaper. The Players Union would have a ing fit if that happened.

    I guarantee you, the Spurs FO would refuse to talk to a player who pulled something like this. Because they would understand that there have to be some rules, or everyone is screwed. It's worse than classless.

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    And then he proceeded to blow him for one hour.
    If all he really wanted was man love, he should of just stuck with the Mavs.

    Jefferson is begging to get in on that action.


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    I think Jordan could be declared mentally ill. He must have a child mentality to need Clippers to protect him from Cuban giving him 80 mil. I actually feel sorry for him because he will soon become one of the most hated players in the league, and he doesn't have a clue.
    My family and I will boo him at every opportunity - what a weak willed pussy.

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    Classless move by DeAnderthal, If some team is willing to pay you the max and you actually had a verbal agreement then WTF is this? I dont care about Cuban but it could have happened to us.

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    Lol why r ppl saying Cuban will do anything..he will and moan but wont do a damn thing

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    Damn. Was hoping DJ would go to Dallas. Oh well. Glad we don't have to deal with that .

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    Cubes CAN stop doing business with DJ's agent. That's certainly one option he has, and I think he could follow suit on that. DJ's agent also lost a lot of credibility here.

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    i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.
    Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

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    The correct way for this to be handled would be for the agent to handle this. jordan calls his agent says to change the contract. Agent smooths things over with Cuban like the human leach he is.

    instead, they bypassed the agent (leading to fallout between agent and client) and blew of the mavs in a mocking display.

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    Seriously? You don't do it because it's just not done. If this gets started, if s up the whole offseason process. Nobody can count on any agreement during this part of the offseason. Teams don't know if they can quit pursuing other players. , players don't know if they have a deal - a team could swing another player cheaper. The Players Union would have a ing fit if that happened.

    I guarantee you, the Spurs FO would refuse to talk to a player who pulled something like this. Because they would understand that there have to be some rules, or everyone is screwed. It's worse than classless.
    I love the Spurs, but they would be dumb if Tim Duncan said he was going to leave to Orlando, told Orlando he was coming, but before he signed the contract second guessed himself and called the Spurs.

    If the Spurs passed on resigning him b/c he agreed to go to Orlando but was now second guessing his decision then they don't deserve to win.

    A player has every right to agree to a deal and to then reneg on said deal. As long as they have not signed the contract then they haven't done anything wrong.

    The crappy part of this is that Deandre didn't call the mavs and just man up and tell them he didn't wnat to go there anymore.

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    if i was a billionaire like cuban i would throw so many frivolous lawsuits towards jordan just to annoy him.

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