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    Great post and point. Game 2 was very much in doubt until like the final minute, actually. The DVD made it seem like the Spurs had any easy time after game 1 (like the Nuggets series in the later championship years), but that wasn't at all true. The game was close the whole game, and then the Suns actually began to pull away early in the 4th quarter. Spurs were down 8 points with about half of the 4th quarter left. I remember where I was at the time -- nervously pacing around the kitchen alone, 9 years old, moping about how sad it was that David's career was about to end in such humiliating fashion.

    After a timeout, the Spurs and Suns exchanged empty trips. Then, Danny Ferry (who was inserted because of no Willis and hobbled David, as you said) made a corner three off a fluke broken play, with TD drawing a loose ball foul under the rim. TD converted the free throw for the 4-point play, cutting the lead to 4. We got a few more stops in a row, then TD made another basket and set of free throws to tie the game. Amare and Tim traded baskets for the next couple minutes of game time, and TP (IIRC) split a pair of free throws. We were clinging to a 1 point lead with about a minute and a half to play, with the Suns on the brink of a commanding lead which would have surely given them the greatest series upset ever (at the time). On the ensuing Spurs possession, I think it was TP who drove to the rim and dished it out to the right elbow to the rookie, Manu Ginobili (I still didn't really trust him much at the time) who stepped up with the shot clock about to expire and nailed the extremely clutch 3-pointer which extended the lead to four points -- this, to me, may have been the single most important shot in that championship run (along with Horry's miss) because it finally allowed to Spurs to believe they could beat the dreaded Suns. The Suns still had chances at the end of that game but came up short -- and the Spurs were able to split the series at home.

    Even after Game 2, the Suns were far from done. After a well-played wire to wire victory in game 3, it seemed like the Spurs were about to cruise to a five-game series win after largely dominating in game 4. In fact, the Spurs led by 17 points early in the 4th quarter of that game, and the Suns' Cinderella goose seemed cooked. We even led by 14 about midway through the 4th. I was in the kitchen, this time watching with my grandmother. A couple timeouts happened, and for some reason the Spurs started missing shot after shot. TD was being doubled every possession and the shooters could not break the lid on the basket. The Suns capitalized seemingly every time down in the last few minutes of the game, alternating free throws (some questionable calls), Starbury/Amare tough shots at the rim, and jump shots from guys like Hardaway and young Joe Johnson. Somehow, the Suns tied the game with about half a minute to play, the Spurs turned it over near the rim but got back on defense, the Suns came back, Hardaway had the ball and penetrated to the rim with just a few seconds left, dished it out to the big stiff Jake Voskuhl (who?) for a mid-range jumper, and he made it (WTF?) -- to put the Suns up by 2 with almost no time left, and TD missed a desperation chance at the other end. I could not believe it! The Suns had tied the series 2-2, and I was once again genuinely worried that the Spurs' season and David's career would end it bitter disappointment as per par.

    Fortunately, we played well in game 5 at home (though the Suns cut that lead from 25 to 7 in the 4th, they couldn't complete the rally) and won a hard-fought game 6. Still that was an extremely hard fought series and championship run. Many things had to fall in place for that undertalented lone-wolf led team (TD) to win it all. All season long that team was notorious for blowing enormous leads and this was magnified in the playoffs. Fortunately, we were able to send off the Admiral to the grey havens instead of drowning him.
    Damn I forgot the Spurs were in that much danger of going down 0-2, down 7 in the fourth. God I still remember how pissed I was when Stoudemire banked in that three in Game 1. I was thinking finally, the Spurs got a W against the Suns, and then, . As soon as Duncan missed that FT in OT I just knew Marbury was going to drill a three to steal it.

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    Damn I forgot the Spurs were in that much danger of going down 0-2, down 7 in the fourth. God I still remember how pissed I was when Stoudemire banked in that three in Game 1. I was thinking finally, the Spurs got a W against the Suns, and then, . As soon as Duncan missed that FT in OT I just knew Marbury was going to drill a three to steal it.
    Yep, that was an afternoon game, and after that happened that was the first time I tore down the toggle fly to the light fixture in my grandma's bedroom closet. (The second time was after Fisher's shot the next year.) After Marbury's shot, I threw a huge tantrum & wrote a sign on paper and taped it on the front door of the house that said "April 19, 2003 Is The Worst Day Of My Life". I had my computer games privileges banned for 3 days and was technically banned from watching game 2 because of the temper tantrum. But my mom was out of the house shopping that night so I watched it anyway, lol.

    The odd thing about that all was that, in the only game the Spurs actually did beat the Suns that year in the regular season (out of 4 meetings) it was an overtime game in which Marbury banked in a similar 3 pointer but in the halfcourt to get it to OT. Spurs dominated the OT, but it was still a rough game. I watched that one on the VCR with my grandma because we had slept through it when it was on live -- we did that a lot that season.

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    So, in his second year in the league, in his first finals, and at the age of 20, his WS was second only to Duncan's? Good of you to point that out given how much you hate him, tbh.

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    What's crazy is that the series could have easily gone 7. We went into the 4th down 10 IIRC and then went on the 17-0 run. That was the only Finals closeout game I've been to. Just remember them playing "We Are the Champions" over and over. The Duncan near quadruple-double was unreal. They had shorted him a block on the scoreboard and as he got closer, we kept wondering if it was going to be shown (I think they added it back in the final statline to give him 8).

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    So, in his second year in the league, in his first finals, and at the age of 20, his WS was second only to Duncan's? Good of you to point that out given how much you hate him, tbh.
    While leading the team in assists and being the second option on a championship team. He sucked!

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    Didn't Duncan also have an absolutely monster game 1 or 2 in the Finals? I know people always like to bring up his near quadruple-double, but I seem to recall him having a bat crazy game towards the beginning of the series.

    It's really amazing what he did that series vs. a great frontline. Mutombo, Martin, and even Jason Collins were all excellent defenders.
    Game one. Thirty-two points, on sixty-five percent shooting, twenty rebounds, seven assists, six blocks, three steals, one turnover, in forty-four minutes.

    That was the all time carry a team to a championship performance and still the greatest all around basketball I've ever seen someone play, slightly eclipsing '12 and '13 James. Low ratings and revisionist history (too many looked at the fact that Robinson, Ginobili and Parker, were on that team and not nearly enough looked at where they were in their respective careers), have led to it being underrated.

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    While leading the team in assists and being the second option on a championship team. He sucked!
    Those were regular season statistics. He was mediocre in the playoffs, and didn't see the court in the fourth quarter of the closing games against the Mavs or Nets. Turnovers galore, particularly against the Suns and Nets. Had a couple good games in the Dallas series, IIRC.

    Game one. Thirty-two points, on sixty-five percent shooting, twenty rebounds, seven assists, six blocks, three steals, one turnover, in forty-four minutes.

    That was the all time carry a team to a championship performance and still the greatest all around basketball I've ever seen someone play, slightly eclipsing '12 and '13 James. Low ratings and revisionist history (too many looked at the fact that Robinson, Ginobili and Parker, were on that team and not nearly enough looked at where they were in their respective careers), have led to it being underrated.
    True. However, to me his most "bat crazy" game was game 6 against the Lakers where he completely owned Shaq and everyone else in a Lakers jersey. That was one of the happiest moments of my childhood, finally beating the evil, dreaded, disgusting, loathsome Lakers who had cheated their way to the le in 2002 and kicked our asses for so long.

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    Those were regular season statistics. He was mediocre in the playoffs, and didn't see the court in the fourth quarter of the closing games against the Mavs or Nets. Turnovers galore, particularly against the Suns and Nets. Had a couple good games in the Dallas series, IIRC.
    He was the second option in the playoffs also (14.7 PPG), not just the regular season.

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    He was the second option in the playoffs also (14.7 PPG), not just the regular season.
    Second options, even on championship teams, can be great – or they can be inconsistent. Did the Warriors even have a consistent 2nd option in the playoffs this last year?

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    Damn I forgot the Spurs were in that much danger of going down 0-2, down 7 in the fourth. God I still remember how pissed I was when Stoudemire banked in that three in Game 1. I was thinking finally, the Spurs got a W against the Suns, and then, . As soon as Duncan missed that FT in OT I just knew Marbury was going to drill a three to steal it.
    duncan missed both iirc. i actually think he got an offensive board off a missed free throw, got hacked, and missed both

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    That Nets team was decent, but, damn, the East was just as weak then as it is now.

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    That Nets team was decent, but, damn, the East was just as weak then as it is now.
    Weaker now, yo.

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    Second options, even on championship teams, can be great – or they can be inconsistent. Did the Warriors even have a consistent 2nd option in the playoffs this last year?
    For sure, that's a good analogy.

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    Because the Finals setup was still a 2-3-2.

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    Those were regular season statistics. He was mediocre in the playoffs, and didn't see the court in the fourth quarter of the closing games against the Mavs or Nets. Turnovers galore, particularly against the Suns and Nets. Had a couple good games in the Dallas series, IIRC.


    True. However, to me his most "bat crazy" game was game 6 against the Lakers where he completely owned Shaq and everyone else in a Lakers jersey. That was one of the happiest moments of my childhood, finally beating the evil, dreaded, disgusting, loathsome Lakers who had cheated their way to the le in 2002 and kicked our asses for so long.
    You mean the game Parker had 27?

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    Cleveland is pretty stacked this year.

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    Cleveland is pretty stacked this year.
    As a whole the conference last year was weakest it's ever been IMO, and this next year looks no different. Could be wrong about that tho

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    As a whole the conference last year was weakest it's ever been IMO, and this next year looks no different. Could be wrong about that tho
    I can't call the conference weak though when Cleveland would have won the le if 2 of its top 3 guys didn't go down. Even one of Irving or Love in the Finals and the Cavs are raising a banner opening night. In the Nets era there wasn't a team in the East that would have gotten out of the second round in the West.

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    2003 was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Spurs. Spurs got hot at the end and others suffered injuries (Kings, Mavs). Every series the Spurs played was ugly. The only memorable game during that run was the closeout game against the Lakers.
    What about Kerr's game six against the Mavies (4 huge 3s with Parker on the bench due to food poisoning from a Dallas restaurant)? That was as memorable as it can get.....

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    I can't call the conference weak though when Cleveland would have won the le if 2 of its top 3 guys didn't go down. Even one of Irving or Love in the Finals and the Cavs are raising a banner opening night. In the Nets era there wasn't a team in the East that would have gotten out of the second round in the West.
    I guess everyone's definition of "weak" will be different, but if you go by how good the 2nd best team is, the East last year ended up being quite weak. Atlanta ended up being fools gold.

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    I guess everyone's definition of "weak" will be different, but if you go by how good the 2nd best team is, the East last year ended up being quite weak. Atlanta ended up being fools gold.
    If you go by the second best team then Western Conference of the entire 1980s was the worst conference in league history.

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    You can blast Parker for 2003 if you want, but he came up absolutely huge for the Spurs on a few occasions during that run. In particular, he was the sidekick Duncan needed in Games 3 and 4 of the Dallas series, which turned an 0-1 series deficit into a 3-1 lead. He was bad in game 6 of the WCF, but that was the creme brûlée game where there was some doubt about whether he'd even play. Speedy Claxton got a lot of TP's early minutes and came up pretty small; ironically (given the retrospective worship of Speedy around here) Steve Kerr got minutes in Game 6 largely because Parker couldn't go and Claxton was pretty ineffective.

    Regardless, I think the word to describe Parker in 2003 was inconsistent; he was unquestionably vital and brilliant at times during that run.

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    You can blast Parker for 2003 if you want, but he came up absolutely huge for the Spurs on a few occasions during that run. In particular, he was the sidekick Duncan needed in Games 3 and 4 of the Dallas series, which turned an 0-1 series deficit into a 3-1 lead. He was bad in game 6 of the WCF, but that was the creme brûlée game where there was some doubt about whether he'd even play. Speedy Claxton got a lot of TP's early minutes and came up pretty small; ironically (given the retrospective worship of Speedy around here) Steve Kerr got minutes in Game 6 largely because Parker couldn't go and Claxton was pretty ineffective.

    Regardless, I think the word to describe Parker in 2003 was inconsistent; he was unquestionably vital and brilliant at times during that run.
    TP was huge in game 6 against LA as well on the road, won't forget that.

    I agree he was big in that Dallas series as well, those games he hit some big threes in the 3rd Q I remember and it gave them the lead for good (Those were big shots). He was great in that series overall sides game 6.

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    I remember sweating out a couple of playoff series that year, but not the Finals. In spite of the fact that the series went 6 I never felt like the Spurs were in any jeopardy of losing that series.

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    Great post and point. Game 2 was very much in doubt until like the final minute, actually. The DVD made it seem like the Spurs had any easy time after game 1 (like the Nuggets series in the later championship years), but that wasn't at all true. The game was close the whole game, and then the Suns actually began to pull away early in the 4th quarter. Spurs were down 8 points with about half of the 4th quarter left. I remember where I was at the time -- nervously pacing around the kitchen alone, 9 years old, moping about how sad it was that David's career was about to end in such humiliating fashion.

    After a timeout, the Spurs and Suns exchanged empty trips. Then, Danny Ferry (who was inserted because of no Willis and hobbled David, as you said) made a corner three off a fluke broken play, with TD drawing a loose ball foul under the rim. TD converted the free throw for the 4-point play, cutting the lead to 4. We got a few more stops in a row, then TD made another basket and set of free throws to tie the game. Amare and Tim traded baskets for the next couple minutes of game time, and TP (IIRC) split a pair of free throws. We were clinging to a 1 point lead with about a minute and a half to play, with the Suns on the brink of a commanding lead which would have surely given them the greatest series upset ever (at the time). On the ensuing Spurs possession, I think it was TP who drove to the rim and dished it out to the right elbow to the rookie, Manu Ginobili (I still didn't really trust him much at the time) who stepped up with the shot clock about to expire and nailed the extremely clutch 3-pointer which extended the lead to four points -- this, to me, may have been the single most important shot in that championship run (along with Horry's miss) because it finally allowed to Spurs to believe they could beat the dreaded Suns. The Suns still had chances at the end of that game but came up short -- and the Spurs were able to split the series at home.

    Even after Game 2, the Suns were far from done. After a well-played wire to wire victory in game 3, it seemed like the Spurs were about to cruise to a five-game series win after largely dominating in game 4. In fact, the Spurs led by 17 points early in the 4th quarter of that game, and the Suns' Cinderella goose seemed cooked. We even led by 14 about midway through the 4th. I was in the kitchen, this time watching with my grandmother. A couple timeouts happened, and for some reason the Spurs started missing shot after shot. TD was being doubled every possession and the shooters could not break the lid on the basket. The Suns capitalized seemingly every time down in the last few minutes of the game, alternating free throws (some questionable calls), Starbury/Amare tough shots at the rim, and jump shots from guys like Hardaway and young Joe Johnson. Somehow, the Suns tied the game with about half a minute to play, the Spurs turned it over near the rim but got back on defense, the Suns came back, Hardaway had the ball and penetrated to the rim with just a few seconds left, dished it out to the big stiff Jake Voskuhl (who?) for a mid-range jumper, and he made it (WTF?) -- to put the Suns up by 2 with almost no time left, and TD missed a desperation chance at the other end. I could not believe it! The Suns had tied the series 2-2, and I was once again genuinely worried that the Spurs' season and David's career would end it bitter disappointment as per par.

    Fortunately, we played well in game 5 at home (though the Suns cut that lead from 25 to 7 in the 4th, they couldn't complete the rally) and won a hard-fought game 6. Still that was an extremely hard fought series and championship run. Many things had to fall in place for that undertalented lone-wolf led team (TD) to win it all. All season long that team was notorious for blowing enormous leads and this was magnified in the playoffs. Fortunately, we were able to send off the Admiral to the grey havens instead of drowning him.
    Great memories of the series and I remember all of what you are talking about like it was yesterday man! Those games were nail biters (A few). Game 2 had me scared to death, thought the series was over in the 4th and the Suns would win the series. That Manu three was HUGE! Even as a rookie he had that clutch gene.

    Don't you love the old 2003 offense stalling droughts they would go on and blow a game they had? I remember game one against Dallas 14 pt game one lead at home, blew it. Game 5 with no business at all at home up big in the third and without Dirk, BLEW IT and lost. Game 5 against LA a huge lead and Horry's miss is the only thing that saved our season there, another huge blown lead from a drought in which the Spurs would just go on at any time. When on they were dominant and blowing you out, then the drought would come out of nowhere.
    2003 was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Spurs. Spurs got hot at the end and others suffered injuries (Kings, Mavs). Every series the Spurs played was ugly. The only memorable game during that run was the closeout game against the Lakers.
    Disagree on the only memorable game being that as there were a few in those playoffs and one being the Mavs most mentioned. The Kings the Spurs matched up well with all year long and healthy or not I think SA beats them (After they beat LA nothing was going to stop them IMO). Mavs even with Dirk stole game one after a huge Spurs blown lead as they were prone to that year and the Spurs won the next 2 with him in there (One in Dallas) and had a good lead in the 3rd when he went down in game 4 at Dallas, so with him or not they were not better than the Spurs who only lost games in that series because they would be stupid and let teams back in games that year for some reason? I think they were the best team that year, regardless.

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