Bowen vs. Danny Green?

[MB20]

No disrespect to DG, but Bowen was better defensively. Nothing wrong with that.
Danny>>Bruce offensively.

Spurs had a Big 4 back then. He was THAT important to the team, IMO.

[keeferob25]

Bowen should have been FMVP in '05. He was the only one to be consistent and play great every game.

No offense but that is one of the most ridiculous assertions on this board. I get that a lot of guys are disrespecting the out of Bowen but don't take to opposite extreme and try making him bigger than what he was. Duncan was definitely the most valuable player even if its his least efficient performance at that stage...he had to cancel out arguably THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE FRONT COURT in history (sans the Towers). That is actually what allowed Manu to "run wild" in isolation against Prince. Manu received very little help that series as the Wallaces were afraid to leave Duncan. So no Manu and Duncan were far more valuable than Bowen. But bowen WAS more valuable than Parker though. Ive always felt that.

[barbacoataco]

Funny how Bowen was recognized as the best perimeter defender of his era while being "destroyed" nightly by opponents.

[silverblackfan]

It is a bit of fuzzy memories, but I do think Danny has become one of a defender. The fact that he can be compared with Bruce is a credit to his craft and effort. Does he get under the skin of the opponent or have that 'mad dog' at ude like Bruce? No. He still sticks with his man and rotates very well. Nevermind all those run down blocks he has done over the last few years. For sheer defense alone, I probably prefer old school Bruce. I suspect that is nastagia thinking as Green is pretty damn active on defense now himself.
Offensively, DG takes the cake. Bowen could eventually his a solid 3, but DG is on another level when it comes to shooting. Green's improved ball-handling and willingness to be coached and improve every year shows. This makes him the better overall player.

That being said, I am still a bit confused why LMA gets Bruce's number. Bruce was cool about it, but still seems a bit weird to use a retired number. Of course, the Spurs don't give a damn, which is also kind of cool.

[daledondale]

Bowen should have been FMVP in '05. He was the only one to be consistent and play great every game.

[MB20]

Funny how Bowen was recognized as the best perimeter defender of his era while being "destroyed" nightly by opponents.

You have no idea, or you are trolling.

[keeferob25]

You have no idea, or you are trolling.

I think he was being sarcastic

[couchman]

I would probably take Green, but it's incredibly close.
It really depends on the era as a tie breaker.
Bowen played during a time where defense was more important.
Green plays in an era where the 3 pointer is more important.

Green is an elite 3 point shooter and a very good defender.
Bowen was an elite defender and a very good 3 point shooter.

Some people may forget just how amazing Bowen was on defense.
He was a game changer on D in an era where defense won championships.
He could defend 1-4 and cause those players to significantly alter their games.
He took on Kobe and Dirk in their primes and affected their games more than anyone else in the league ever did.
And let's face it, Bowen wasn't afraid to get a little bit dirty sometimes to get the job done, something that was valuable in his day but isn't really part of the game anymore.

[Dex]

People talking about Bruce while having no clue about him...

Stick to trolling, kid, you don't have the level to do more.

Yeah this thread is a good barometer for who was a fan before 2008.

[MB20]

I think he was being sarcastic

My bad then. More blue font please!

[Chinook]

Yeah this thread is a good barometer for who was a fan before 2008.

Or who can look back at that time objectively or not.

[buujness]

Or who can look back at that time objectively or not.

Or who suffers from recency bias and who doesn't.

[100%duncan]

Why do people who choose Bruce say these things...

1. You were a fan only after he retired
2. You are anti-bruce, even though a lot of us really liked Bruce and up until now
3. Say the players DG are defending are not of the same caliber as the players bruce were defending (cp3, wade, durant, westbrook, lillard, prime lebron vs kobe, dirk, rip, young lebron)
4. Cant provide facts that state how he is the better overall player
5. Uses ring count when he played with prime tim, prime manu

If any of pro-Bowen in this thread can create an argument in favor of Brucie without using the things above then we start talking. If not, you are just like kobe fans who use stupid like "killer insticts" "mamba mentality" in debates or all time lists

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Bowen was better defensively. Do people forget how the Spurs struggled defensive once Bowen got old and was traded to the Bucks.

Kawhi>>>Bowen and that is what this thread should be about. Just sayin, how many 1st/2nd all NBA defensive teams does Green have over Bowen. Yeah, even the coaches and press know the value Bowen brought to the Spurs.

[kobyz]

Why do people who choose Bruce say these things...

If any of pro-Bowen in this thread can create an argument in favor of Brucie without using the things above then we start talking. If not, you are just like kobe fans who use stupid like "killer insticts" "mamba mentality" in debates or all time lists

If you calling leadership and intangibles things a stupid there is really no point trying to argue with you, you have a mentality of a six yo...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Why do people who choose Bruce say these things...

1. You were a fan only after he retired
2. You are anti-bruce, even though a lot of us really liked Bruce and up until now
3. Say the players DG are defending are not of the same caliber as the players bruce were defending (cp3, wade, durant, westbrook, lillard, prime lebron vs kobe, dirk, rip, young lebron)
4. Cant provide facts that state how he is the better overall player
5. Uses ring count when he played with prime tim, prime manu

If any of pro-Bowen in this thread can create an argument in favor of Brucie without using the things above then we start talking. If not, you are just like kobe fans who use stupid like "killer insticts" "mamba mentality" in debates or all time lists

5X defensive All NBA 1st team
3X defensive All NBA 2nd team

4X finished in the top 3 for DPOY. (Should have won in '04). Only time ever Pop ever said a player of his deserved an award he did not win.

Green

Not one accolade thus far.

An argument not using the aforementioned criteria.

[100%duncan]

If you calling leadership and intangibles things a stupid there is really no point trying to argue with you, you have a mentality of a six yo...

You're like the dumbest poster in the site bro. Some posters think you are a troll but your takes really are your takes...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Just to mention, one of those 2nd all Defensive All NBA team was when he was with the Heat which proves that playing with Prime Duncan was the reason for Bowen's success. It made his life easier, but it wasn't the reason he alone was a great defensive player.

[Frank Dux]

And green delivered in 2 straight finals, we would have a b2b if Duncan was there to rebouns for the last play and Green couldve been fmvp.

It's important to note that DG threw up brick after brick and let himself get pretty frazzled in that game. His 1-7 from the field was also pretty damaging in a game that close.

[100%duncan]

5X defensive All NBA 1st team
3X defensive All NBA 2nd team

4X finished in the top 3 for DPOY. (Should have won in '04). Only time ever Pop ever said a player of his deserved an award he did not win.

Green

Not one allocate thus far.

An argument not using the aforementioned criteria.

And kobe has how many all defensive team awards? How did Marcus Camby win over duncan for DPOY? Why is Jordan always a DPOY candidate when advanced stats say otherwise?

Media awards are questionable. Everyone knows that. Now, please present some stats that suggest that bruce is the better player. Chinook already posted some in the favor of Green but he was countered by cliche takes like bruce was fiercer, he guarded better players etc2.

[100%duncan]

It's important to note that DG threw up brick after brick and let himself get pretty frazzled in that game. His 1-7 from the field was also pretty damaging in a game that close.

Yes but had we won game 6 fmvp was between Duncan, Parker and DG. DG was the one of the biggest reasons we won games 3 and 5.

[Chinook]

Or who suffers from recency bias and who doesn't.

Not recency bias when you can actually look at old games.

[Frank Dux]

Yes but had we won game 6 fmvp was between Duncan, Parker and DG. DG was the one of the biggest reasons we won games 3 and 5.

Sure he was. He was on fire. But he was also one of the significant reasons we lost Game 7. I love DG, but it was hard to watch him in that game.

[Chinook]

It's important to note that DG threw up brick after brick and let himself get pretty frazzled in that game. His 1-7 from the field was also pretty damaging in a game that close.

Yeah, but he was nearly dominant defensively in Game Six. He made what should have been the greatest defensive play in team history in OT.

Green was a nearly unstoppable force for five games of a Finals series. People who argue Bowen was in Green's zip code offensively seem to forget that.

[100%duncan]

Sure he was. He was on fire. But he was also one of the significant reasons we lost Game 7. I love DG, but it was hard to watch him in that game.

Agree but I dont see the significance of that here. Green isnt supposed to be in that situation in the first place (relied upon to win a finals series), you can even use this to his side, the Spurs never relied on Bruce offense while DG's threes can either make or break the series.