Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Spurtacular]

One of the bigs and McCallum or Fredette would be the ones not dressing. Simmons could play sg,sf, and some pg. It doesn't make sense to not dress him.

There's trade-offs no matter who sits.

[8FOR!3]

Bobo = Diaw.

Bobi = Marjanovic.

But to your point, teams often times like to keep that 15th spot open for a potential player down the road, whether it be via trad, FA, or the waiver wire.

So if we wanted to keep Jimmer does his contract going into the season have to be guaranteed?

[Spurtacular]

So if we wanted to keep Jimmer does his contract going into the season have to be guaranteed?

Reportedly, Jimmer's contract is guaranteed through Jan. 8th if he makes the squad.

[Ice009]

If Simmons can play defense at the NBA level then I would much rather play him over a player that can't guard a traffic cone. If he can play good defense then a Kawhi, Danny, Simmons lineup gets me excited to see what a lineup like that could do out there with their versatility on that end of the court. Hopefully Jonathon comes onto the team with a defense first mindset and uses that as his starting point.

I'm sorry, but I want all my players to play defense. I don't like guys that are piss poor defenders. That was one of my main issues with Parker this past season. I didn't care that much about his offense, it was mostly his horrendous defense that drove me crazy.

[Spurtacular]

If Simmons can play defense at the NBA level then I would much rather play him over a player that can't guard a traffic cone. If he can play good defense then a Kawhi, Danny, Simmons lineup gets me excited to see what a lineup like that could do out there with their versatility on that end of the court. Hopefully Jonathon comes onto the team with a defense first mindset and uses that as his starting point.

I'm sorry, but I want all my players to play defense. I don't like guys that are piss poor defenders. That was one of my main issues with Parker this past season. I didn't care that much about his offense, it was mostly his horrendous defense that drove me crazy.

Jimmer's defensive woes are overblown. And what he can do offensively is a huge plus.

I agree that Tony Parker's defense was absolute shiesta last season; and that was a source of contention for me as well.

[ceperez]

If Simmons can play defense at the NBA level then I would much rather play him over a player that can't guard a traffic cone. If he can play good defense then a Kawhi, Danny, Simmons lineup gets me excited to see what a lineup like that could do out there with their versatility on that end of the court. Hopefully Jonathon comes onto the team with a defense first mindset and uses that as his starting point.

I'm sorry, but I want all my players to play defense. I don't like guys that are piss poor defenders. That was one of my main issues with Parker this past season. I didn't care that much about his offense, it was mostly his horrendous defense that drove me crazy.

Same here, I prefer that everyone one court can play stellar defense. I'm looking forward to the combination of Simmons, Green and Leonard. Simmons (unlike Green) is more of an active body that can score with a decent clip in the lane. He's absolutely a better shooter than Tony Allen, so teams aren't going to be daring him to shoot.

[dweaver99027]

That lineup won't even get past halfcourt when the opponent presses.

[playjimmer]

There's trade-offs no matter who sits.

There will be a good chunk of games where one of the big 3 are sitting too.

[playbonner15]

Awkward white guy shooting form. 2/10 would not sub

[SPURt]

Awkward white guy shooting form. 2/10 would not sub

This is like the footprints on the beach poster in ever pastor/preacher/chimo's office across America. He is taking his left hand off early so Jesus's hand can stabilize the ball...

[littlecoyotecoin]

This is like the footprints on the beach poster in ever pastor/preacher/chimo's office across America. He is taking his left hand off early so Jesus's hand can stabilize the ball...

That was funny.

[AFBlue]

Awkward white guy shooting form. 2/10 would not sub

Hi pot, meet kettle. I believe you two have something in common.

[Spurtacular]

Awkward white guy shooting form. 2/10 would not sub

Blue line - Jimmer's deep three percent
Black line - Jimmer's closer three percent



Source

[SAGirl]

Something else to consider about Fredette odds at making the roster is the financial aspect. Because Spurs are above the tax, it will cost them quite a lot of money to keep him (between $2M and $2.4M depending on his likely guaranteed amount).

In a scenario where Fredette is doing fine (but nothing great) and is better than the other candidates for the 15th roster spot, it might still be cut if at the same time Simmons, Anderson, McCallum are also doing fine. It could take both Fredette doing fine and Spurs needing him because some other players are sucking for him to get that roster spot.

I agree with this. It reminds me of Ayers vs. Jamychal Green during summer camp and preseason last year. To me, it looked like J.Green was a better player. He hustled harder, rebounded better, blocked shots, and he had a jumper. Ayers was of course, foul prone, could not catch a ball, could not shoot a jumper and he did not stand out. For me, the fact that Green had range on his jumper made him a better option, when both were within an 1 inch in height and about the same in athleticism. I think J.Green didn't make it, bc Ayers was already signed and J.Green was only slightly better. Mid-season they reconsidered because range shooting from the bigs was a big problem, as well as athleticism and rebounding. J.Green ultimately found a better financial offer in Memphis and went with that. Spurs knew they needed all cap space for Aldridge and did not match or improve offers.

Anyways, I digress. The point is, I agree that Jimmer would have to absolutely impress, coupled with doubts being raised about the ability of any of the PG/SG. Its unlikely. I do think he would need to beat out Williams big time, and that would require Reggie to suck really, really bad. I am unsure about the outcome. I am not a fan of either guy, and will be happy any way the Spurs decide to go. They clearly know their business.

[ceperez]

I agree with this. It reminds me of Ayers vs. Jamychal Green during summer camp and preseason last year. To me, it looked like J.Green was a better player. He hustled harder, rebounded better, blocked shots, and he had a jumper. Ayers was of course, foul prone, could not catch a ball, could not shoot a jumper and he did not stand out. For me, the fact that Green had range on his jumper made him a better option, when both were within an 1 inch in height and about the same in athleticism. I think J.Green didn't make it, bc Ayers was already signed and J.Green was only slightly better. Mid-season they reconsidered because range shooting from the bigs was a big problem, as well as athleticism and rebounding. J.Green ultimately found a better financial offer in Memphis and went with that. Spurs knew they needed all cap space for Aldridge and did not match or improve offers.

Anyways, I digress. The point is, I agree that Jimmer would have to absolutely impress, coupled with doubts being raised about the ability of any of the PG/SG. Its unlikely. I do think he would need to beat out Williams big time, and that would require Reggie to suck really, really bad. I am unsure about the outcome. I am not a fan of either guy, and will be happy any way the Spurs decide to go. They clearly know their business.

Really too bad about Jamychal Green. I was disappointed that he wasn't singed when we still had Ayres on the bench who didn't have the skills to contribute.

I don't think Spurs will fill the 15th slot unless Jimmer really impresses. I doubt Williams will get that 15th slot, I just don't see how an undersized SG will be of any value.

[AFBlue]

I just don't see how an undersized SG will be of any value.

Mills says hi.

The Spurs can always use shooters in their system. All Jimmer has to do is move to the right spot and hit the open shot when the ball swings his way.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Mills says hi.

The Spurs can always use shooters in their system. All Jimmer has to do is move to the right spot and hit the open shot when the ball swings his way.

He probably meant to say ANOTHER one. The one we have is already under contract, salary accounted for. Jimmer will cost additional 2.4-2.7 as you know. 1/2 and 4 are our deepest positions. I know you love the guy You should be talking up his versatility as a defensive center, or small forward.

[Big P]

Eric Pincus: Jimmer has $508k of his deal guaranteed – Reggie Williams $0
– via Twitter EricPincus

Wow!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Eric Pincus: Jimmer has $508k of his deal guaranteed – Reggie Williams $0
– via Twitter EricPincus

Wow!

Old news, no confirmation of Pincus' twit, and serious speculation that he got Bonner's partial guarantee confused with Jimmer. So, not so wow just yet.

[AFBlue]

He probably meant to say ANOTHER one. The one we have is already under contract, salary accounted for. Jimmer will cost additional 2.4-2.7 as you know. 1/2 and 4 are our deepest positions. I know you love the guy You should be talking up his versatility as a defensive center, or small forward.

He's not an ideal replacement for Beli, but let's not act like he's much less versatile on either end of the floor. Both are shooting guards known for their shooting and not much else. One of them is no longer with the Spurs. I used Mills to illustrate the point that shooters are a commodity in any shape or size. I could just as easily have used Bonner.

[AFBlue]

Old news, no confirmation of Pincus' twit, and serious speculation that he got Bonner's partial guarantee confused with Jimmer. So, not so wow just yet.

Pincus confirmed Bonner also has a partial guarantee of approx. $800K. Both within the last couple hours. That would suggest both have been confirmed as partially guaranteed deals. It hasn't been corroborated, but at least Bruno's assertion that it was a mistake by Pincus mixing up the two guarantees appears to no longer be valid.

[Spurtacular]

Old news, no confirmation of Pincus' twit, and serious speculation that he got Bonner's partial guarantee confused with Jimmer. So, not so wow just yet.

We know that Jimmer was given a partial guarantee either way. Multiple sources have reported that.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Pincus confirmed Bonner also has a partial guarantee of approx. $800K. Both within the last couple hours. That would suggest both have been confirmed as partially guaranteed deals. It hasn't been corroborated, but at least Bruno's assertion that it was a mistake by Pincus mixing up the two guarantees appears to no longer be valid.

Hmm. The plot thickens. Interesting.

[Spurtacular]

People are really worried about Jimmer costing the Spurs $2.4 M to $2.7 M extra? Do they not realize that someone like Jimmer who has a following is going to make up for that in jersey sales, ticket sales, tv ratings, etc. And even if he didn't, you still pull the trigger if you think it increases your depth when seriously competing for a championship.

[littlecoyotecoin]

We know that Jimmer was given a partial guarantee either way. Multiple sources have reported that.

Cotton was given a partial guarantee last year, too. 50k to go away. If it is, indeed, 500+k, it seems safe to say he's almost a lock to make the team, and it's his spot to lose. If Pincus is wrong, he's still no closer than Cotton was to making the team. It is interesting and favorable to Jimmer that Pincus seems to be doubling down on his bet.

This would seem to imply a heck of a lot more confidence in Simmons and/or Anderson, actually. Making that investment in Jimmer, as some have already mentioned, implies they're happy at small forward?