At the Dougie? I mean Jimmer got skills tbqh.
How much better is Jimmer than KA?
At the Dougie? I mean Jimmer got skills tbqh.
CoJo gave the Spurs some important minutes in Game 6 of OKC. I don't know that I'm on board with Udrih and Mahinmi weren't contributors either. The argument would probably be more along the lines of they could've drafted better in those instances.
Fair enough criteria (i.e. "who could've Spurs drafted instead").
Cojo (2010) #29.... could have drafted Jimmy Butler (#30).... absolute BUST.
Mahinmi (2005) #28 .... could have drafted David Lee (#30)
Udrih (2004) #28 ... could have drafted Anderson Verejao (#30)
Just a thought, Jimmer will be the highest 1st round draft pick at #10 in Spurs roster after Duncan and Aldridge.
Interesting... Let's see... best case scenarios for past drafts... 2013 - Trade up one spot and pick Gobert at#27 - 2012 Trade into the second round and pick Draymond Green at #35 - 2011 Pick Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons at # 29 - 2010 Trade up 2 spots and pick Bledsoe at #18 - 2009 Nothing realistic - 2008 DeAndre Jordan at #26, trade up 2 spots for Ibaka at #26 or stay with George Hill. Also keep Dragic st #45 - 2007 Splitter at #28 and Marc Gasol at #33 - 2006 Nothing realistic - 2005 David Lee or Monta Ellis at #28 - 2004 Varejao at #28 - 2003 Josh Howard at #29 or keep Barbosa - 2002 Boozer at #26 - 2001 Nailed it - 2000 Michael Redd at #41 (so close) - 1999 Trade up 5 spots to #24 for Kirilenko, plus Manu - 1998 Rashard Lewis at #24 - 1997 Keith Van Horn at #1
Just because in retrospect you could have drafted someone else better doesn't make the person you drafted a bust...did The Spurs get good value for their 28-30th picks? Yes. Therefore...they aren't busts, by just about any definition of a bust...you're making a new definition of bust I' e never heard...
Holy ceperez shut the up
36 pages on Jimmer ing Fredette. ceperez go find another hobby
2013 - Trade up one spot and pick Gobert at #27 <--- absolute miss because the pick was the Nuggets who traded with Utah for a 2nd round pick. This could have been the mainstay center for the Spurs!
2012 Trade into the second round and pick Draymond Green at #35 <-- Spurs didn't have any higher picks to trade.
2011 Pick Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons at # 29 <-- Cojo a real bust by comparison
2010 Trade up 2 spots and pick Bledsoe at #18 <-- not likely with trading partner OKC. Although Quincy Poindexter and Hassan Whiteside were still on the board.
2009 Nothing realistic - (2nd Round) Isn't is strange that Spurs have Green and Mill all drafted later than Blair.
2008 DeAndre Jordan at #26, trade up 2 spots for Ibaka at #26 or stay with George Hill. <-- Batum at #25 was the main target here... fail on the front office for not trading up Note how Rockets traded pick to Portland.
2007 Splitter at #28 and Marc Gasol at #33 <--- yeah... oh well!
2006 Nothing realistic - <-- Spurs had no picks
2005 David Lee or Monta Ellis at #28 <--- was a draft and stash, but how could they miss on Ellis?
2004 Varejao at #28 <--- would have made sense for a draft and stash. Of course #42 Trevor Ariza was available!
What an absurd standard to measure the success of a drafted player.
Beno, not a bust. He has been Memphis best bench player, especially in the playoff over the past two years. He is had a decent career. Lindsey Hunter just rocked his confidence in '05 Finals and it took him a few years to get it back.
LJC is not a bust. He was dominating the SL defensively and looks like a player that can really develop. Yes, in hindsight, the Spurs should have drafted Gobert.
Cojo is not a bust. For where he got pick, he is actual on par if not a little better than players drafted that late that made a prolong NBA career. And no, he was part of a 12-0 run in the 3Q of the game 6 of that series when he checked Jackson and kept him scoreless, you know, when Pop actually did bench Parker for a change.
And James Anderson, he is not a bust since he was taken late and that his career was derailed by the broken foot he sustained in his rookie season. People forget that he was avg. 10 ppg and shooting 50% from 3's through his first 10 games, then the broken foot happen, which has been a career ender for many a players up to that point. It kinda of was a blessing in disguise as the Spurs more than likely wouldn't have traded Hill to get Kwahi had JA not sustained his injury.
The only true bust of all those was Mahinmi. This is the one time the Spurs drafted for athleticism over BB IQ and boy did it show. Guy had like 9-10 fouls every SL game his first two years.
I can blame the poor drafting record to the departure of Sam Presti. That dude is a genius with finding talent. He found Parker and Ginobili.
There's no poor drafting record if you can constantly get guys in the 26-30 range who end up legitimate rotation players with 7+ year careers in the NBA.
Cojo was a bad draft. He never got himself into the playoff rotation.
Every mock draft out there had Jimmy Butler ahead of Cory Joseph. Guess what happens, PATFO plays smart and picks Cojo over Butler!
NBADraft.net J.Butler #34 ... Joseph #44
DraftExpress J. Butler #33 ... Joseph #50
Complete debacle.
He still turned out MUCH better than the average #29 pick. We hit a double instead of a homer. Boo hoo.
Spurs needed a backup PG at the time. They just drafted Kwahi for crying out loud. Kwahi is better. Spurs had Manu and just signed Green Revisionist history is the worse when you say the Spurs shoulda coulda woulda. If anything, the Spurs should have drafted Isiah Thomas.
Like I said, the only true draft bust the Spurs have had was Ian.
And no, Presti wasn't even the lead scout when the Spurs drafted Manu. And for the record, it was Mr. Pringles D'antoni himself that recommended Manu to the Spurs, seeing him play as his time as a coach in the Italian league before he became the head scout of the Spurs for two years.
Presti only solid contribution was Parker. But yes, he has done an amazing job with the Thunder. But the Spurs picking up and developing the likes of Green, Neal, Splitter, Kawhi, Hill, Mills, etc after Presti, shows the Spurs can still get more from less without him.
There's a button on the left side of your keyboard led "Caps Lock." Do us all a favor and make sure it's disengaged.JIMMER'S SHOOTING STROKE IS SO UGLY
The difference between Spurs and OKC is that OKC doesn't have a stellar coaching staff that can develop players that are picked up from the scrap heap.
However, aside from the utterly brilliant and lucky Hill for Kawhi trade, Spurs drafting has been not up to par (relative to Parker/Ginobili drafts) in the last decade. The magic left the building and went to the Thunder.
Picking through the scrap heap for players who CAN be developed to fit the team's needs by the coaches is an indicator of a good FO.
They had just given up their backup PG to draft Kawhi Leonard. Why would they double up on SFs with (at the time) questionable shooting strokes and completely ignore a new hole in the lineup they'd just created. Please just stop.
What have I learned in this thread?
Late first rounders must play a major role in a championship or they are career busts.
lol
TBD! Too early to tell but, if he doesn't pick it up on the offensive end, he'll never see the light of day in the NBA.
Depends on your definition of bust. Cojo isn't a pg because he isn't a playmaker and he isn't a sg because he isn't a particularly good shooter. He'd be a decent player if basketball was played one on one unfortunately, it's a team sport and by all definitions, he doesn't fill a team requirement. He's a player without a position. Oh, he'll surely put up numbers in Toronto if he's given the opportunity but, he won't necessarily make the team better when he's on the court. The Spurs tried to make a pg out of CoJo for 4 years without luck. If Toronto tries to do the same, they'll find out firsthand what it feels like to piss away $30M.
So Greg Oden wasn't a bust? Was his career not derailed by injuries? FWIW, JA played in 80 of 82 games averaging nearly 29 MPG last year.
Ian was a bust but CoJo wasn't? He was the 28th pick overall and while he never met fans expectations in SA, he had a pretty decent season for Indiana last year. What kind of contributions were you expecting from him as the 28th pick in the draft? Is there such a thing as a bust in the late 1st and 2nd rounds? Some players work out, others don't.
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