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You didn't let anyone down, David. You live up to our expectations.
Consequences. There is still risk.
Is this really so difficult for you?
You didn't let anyone down, David. You live up to our expectations.
Consequences, exactly. And in your view, are men and women on equal footing when a man has no say in the child's life and is forced to pay for the kid? Even when he mitigated his risk?
indeed. and yet abortions are legal to take care of unplanned pregnancies. it's an out that women alone have access to.
men shouldn't be financially handcuffed for 18 years at the discretion of the woman. the pregnancy wasn't an act of aggression towards the woman (i dont think we're discussing rape cases here). if men were allowed to "opt out" of child care/support/custody, then the woman would still be able to make an informed decision as to how to proceed with the unborn child. heck, if it floats your boat, you can even send the abortion bill to the dude in these scenarios if that's how the woman chooses to proceed
its still her body and the choice to have the child or terminate would still be her choice, and her choice alone
The risk is still there and the man took it and lost. Time to pay up if that's what it comes to.
Pretty simple.
If the man can get pregnant he should absolutely have absolutely equal rights in the matter. He can just take the embryo and start growing it in his uterus.
The man takes the risk when he has sex. It's out of his hands after that. If the risk is too great, don't have the sex.
hm, sounds like something a pro-lifer would say
apparently even though the outcome (baby) is the same, men and women have different consequences for the same act...
Men can already opt out of the child's life in every way but financially until the child is an adult.
It's actually getting off quite easy.
Agreed but that's a tough one and not an easy fix.
that's a pretty big one
Yep, since it's the woman's body, the options are still in her hands.
Not in the man's.
Pretty simple.
Mans responsibility for a woman's choice? Man accepts the risk, not the woman. She has no risk because she can choose to have the kid or abort it. Just goes to show SJWs really don't care about equality.
Not the biggest.
Except that it's not, because the woman has choices the man doesn't. She can opt to have the child or not. She can opt to have child support or not. It's not getting off easy at all.
It's different because the woman gets pregnant.
Would you rather have it where you got pregnant? That would be true equality.
Compared to actually raising a child it is absolutely easier.
the option of having the child or undergoing an abortion is certainly in her hands. that is not in dispute.
women already have a legal "out" in abortion. its not an enviable route, but its an option they have. and this is after the "dont have sex if the risk is too great" ship has sailed.
i'm suggesting that men should also have some sort of an "out."
If men got pregnant, I'd be all for it.
It's not about who gets pregnant. It's about the choice to get and maintain the pregnancy in the first place. Women have options men don't. It's why your asking men if they can get pregnant is stupid; it's completely besides the point
you are completely missing the point i'm making. i'm not entertaining taking the power to abort or have the child away from the woman.
she can still choose the have the child if that is her choice, full well knowing that she wont be receiving child support. if she's up for it, kudos to her
Replace "he" with "she" and "men" with "women" in this exact statement and you would be the first to cry about " -shaming" and "misogyny," David.
If a woman doesn't have to deal with the consequences why does the man?
And if the man is raising the child do you think the woman will be forced to support him financially? I've read cases where the man raised the child and still paid child support.
Just admit it isn't equal and be done with it.
If a woman can have sex and not deal with the consequences, why does the man have to bear those consequences?
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