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    It's not about who gets pregnant. It's about the choice to get and maintain the pregnancy in the first place. Women have options men don't. It's why your asking men if they can get pregnant is stupid; it's completely besides the point
    you are completely missing the point i'm making. i'm not entertaining taking the power to abort or have the child away from the woman.

    she can still choose the have the child if that is her choice, full well knowing that she wont be receiving child support. if she's up for it, kudos to her
    Replace "he" with "she" and "men" with "women" in this exact statement and you would be the first to cry about " -shaming" and "misogyny," David.
    If a woman doesn't have to deal with the consequences why does the man?
    Sorry, guys. Women get pregnant. guys don't.

    I don't know how else to explain it to you. If you want to eliminate your risk, abstain or get a vasectomy. This stuff just isn't that difficult.

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    Sorry, guys. Women get pregnant. guys don't.

    I don't know how else to explain it to you. If you want to eliminate your risk, abstain or get a vasectomy. This stuff just isn't that difficult.
    you are missing the crux of the argument and are just pounding the same dead point

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    Sorry, guys. Women get pregnant. guys don't.

    I don't know how else to explain it to you. If you want to eliminate your risk, abstain or get a vasectomy. This stuff just isn't that difficult.
    You're being purposely obtuse, David. But I understand. It's hard to logically justify your misandry and bigotry when you try so hard to look "progressive."

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    And if the man is raising the child do you think the woman will be forced to support him financially? I've read cases where the man raised the child and still paid child support.

    Just admit it isn't equal and be done with it.

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    you are missing the crux of the argument and are just pounding the same dead point
    It's not dead. It's the actual crux of the difference between men and women when it comes to children.

    You guys can rail on about the unfairness of it all, but you all know the risks and you can pretty much eliminate your risk with a simple procedure at a doctor's office.

    "But we don't wanna pay" isn't much of an argument.

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    You're being purposely obtuse, David. But I understand. It's hard to logically justify your misandry and bigotry when you try so hard to look "progressive."
    Aw, David - you're upset.

    Don't worry, no woman will have sex with you anyway.

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    Third wavers would have a field day with David depriving a woman's agency by denying her responsibility. Some feminist he is, smh

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    And if the man is raising the child do you think the woman will be forced to support him financially? I've read cases where the man raised the child and still paid child support.

    Just admit it isn't equal and be done with it.
    When did I say it was equal, genius?

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    Third wavers would have a field day with David depriving a woman's agency by denying her responsibility. Some feminist he is, smh
    What responsibility did I deny a woman, David?

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    It's not dead. It's the actual crux of the difference between men and women when it comes to children.

    You guys can rail on about the unfairness of it all, but you all know the risks and you can pretty much eliminate your risk with a simple procedure at a doctor's office.

    "But we don't wanna pay" isn't much of an argument.
    guys can get vasectomies, women can get their tubes tied. equal

    guys can wear protection, women can use birth control. equal

    guys can abstain from sex, women can abstain from sex. equal

    women can opt out after pregnancy. men have no equivalent. unequal

    this not about the power of abortion... that is firmly with the woman.

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    What responsibility did I deny a woman, David?
    How have you ascribed any to her. Pregnant and don't want the kid? Get an abortion! Pregnant and don't want to abort? Don't worry, the man will pay. After all, he accepted the risk of ing you while you have options he doesn't have. But hey, it's ok because you have ovaries.

    That literally is your argument.

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    guys can get vasectomies, women can get their tubes tied. equal

    guys can wear protection, women can use birth control. equal

    women can opt out after pregnancy. men have no equivalent. unequal
    Yep. That's life.

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    guys can get vasectomies, women can get their tubes tied. equal

    guys can wear protection, women can use birth control. equal

    women can opt out after pregnancy. men have no equivalent. unequal

    this not about the power of abortion... that is firmly with the woman.
    Like a young Oliver Wendel Holmes.

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    Yep. That's the system we currently have.
    and i'm open to improving it. i'm disappointed that you aren't.

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    Black people got it rough, but hey that's life.

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    How have you ascribed any to her. Pregnant and don't want the kid? Get an abortion! Pregnant and don't want to abort? Don't worry, the man will pay. After all, he accepted the risk of ing you while you have options he doesn't have. But hey, it's ok because you have ovaries.

    That literally is your argument.
    If she is pregnant and doesn't want to abort, she can give the kid up for adoption or raise the child. The latter is chock full of responsibility IMO.

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    Agreed but that's a tough one and not an easy fix.
    But there are options and ultimately since it's a monetary thing, there are plenty. Not many options when it comes to abortion, either we allow it or we don't. And in my opinion, not allowing it isn't really an option.

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    and i'm open to improving it. i'm disappointed that you aren't.
    If you can get pregnant, you can have everything equal.

    Black people got it rough, but hey that's life.
    Well, if you want to argue a biological difference in blacks that should make the laws different for them, I'd love to see your manifesto.

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    If she is pregnant and doesn't want to abort, she can give the kid up for adoption or raise the child. The latter is chock full of responsibility IMO.
    crofl giving the kid away is responsibility for the kid? It's a choice in the kids best interest. But it's not the same as a man who becomes financially responsible for the kid. Which is the whole point.

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    If you can get pregnant, you can have everything equal.

    Well, if you want to argue a biological difference in blacks that should make the laws different for them, I'd love to see your manifesto.
    You're right. We only care about biological differences when it serves our ideological agenda.

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    Aw, David - you're upset.

    Don't worry, no woman will have sex with you anyway.
    Plenty have. But don't worry David, you'll always have Blake to put out for you no matter how gross and pathetic you truly are.

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    Last night, fuzzy and slurper. Tonight it's David. What happened to the libs?

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    crofl giving the kid away is responsibility for the kid?
    I didn't say it was.
    It's a choice in the kids best interest. But it's not the same as a man who becomes financially responsible for the kid. Which is the whole point.
    Is a kid given for adoption due child support from the biological father?

    You're right. We only care about biological differences when it serves our ideological agenda.
    Actually the differences here exist because of the biological differences. If you could get pregnant, you could have perfectly equal rights. Would you like that?

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    If you can get pregnant, you can have everything equal.
    i'm not even discussing how to deal with the pregnancy. the power to keep the child or abort is not in question whatsoever, yet you keep citing it as your reasoning here

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    Plenty have. But don't worry David, you'll always have Blake to put out for you no matter how gross and pathetic you truly are.
    Aw David, you're really upset now.

    Last night, fuzzy and slurper. Tonight it's David. What happened to the libs?
    I just said women can get pregnant and men can't, David. If you can convince me otherwise, please go ahead.

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