You mean, besides making Robinson his bottom , beating Shaq, one on one while being the primary defender. (No help like Duncan had). Kept Malone and Stockton, also Barkley and Ewing ringless. Ans was pretty dominant against the McHale/Parish frontline.
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None of that makes him an alpha.
Alpharism has everything to do with at ude and how a team is led rather than how talented a player is. Otherwise, Wilt would have been an alpha as well, Lebron would have been one of the greatest alphas of all time.
And funny how you talk about no help and how Hakeem beat Robinson. The irony.
What a ty thread the Duncan, Robinson and Dream talk is only semi redeeming factor ...
Fisher was the leader of the Lakers but was still not the "alpha" ...
I think Phil ultimately was the alpha of the 3peat Lakers
I think because Pop was so dominant Duncan was the quiet leader and Mnau the fire one but neither was the alpha it was ALL Pop. Coaches like Pop, PJ, Hoody have more clout on their le teams then their star players did.
Notice all 3 have disdain for the media but PJ wa sthe one to use it most/best to play his mind-games ...
Going back to back after being accused publicly by the organization of faking his injury is alpha. Dream destroyed Robinson so bad that no one outside of spurfan remembers how good he was.
WTF? So you control your mother's relationships?
CROFL insecure Spursfan pretending James isn't mega alpha. You cite his use of passive aggressive media but he's always used the media masterfully as a tool for his tactical mind games he plays to elevate his teammates and it almost always works. He had one betapussy series back in 2011 but you can find a bad series from almost every player at some point.
more than any player in the history of the NBA except perhaps the great Bill Russell, King James has stood up against the White Jew power structure that for decades has tried to put the black man in his place. First he showed his peers that just because the casual white fan with a plantation mentality thinks it's bad for you to get uppity and switch teams on your terms, doesn't mean you should give in. These jews don't own you; they are simply your employers but stars have the leverage. Meanwhile a year or two later Dwert the pedobeta caves under the pressure and signs an extension before pouting his way out in an act of pussydom. And not only did King James buck the white man twice, he did it to renowned Alpha Pat Riley, who had always gotten his way. King James is now the Coach, GM, and defacto owner as he forces Gilbert to spend hundreds of millions in Tax and kiss his ass in the process, in addition to getting the contract that he wants, when he wants. He has taken ultimate control back for the players. He paved the way for LaMarcus to leave, and KD next year.
Unlike MJ the supposed mega alpha who cowered at the thought of upsetting the white republican establishment just because of shoes, King James has never been afraid to speak up.
I salute you, King James
Well, if you define it that way, great coaches are pretty much always the alphas.
Pop, Riley, Jackson, Daly, but they need that extension on the court as well, and that is where Duncan, Magic/Jabbar/Lebron, Jordan/Fisher, and Thomas comes in.
As for Jackson and the media, it works for a while, but it starts to become disingenuous after a while, and it worked because he was with Jordan and then the Shaq Lakers. Didn't work that well when his team wasn't the darling of the league when all the peripherals, media included, were eating out of his hand.
Going b2b after management got the perfect team and system around him, you mean.
Again, that has nothing to do with being an alpha.
If so, Lebron would be an alpha after what he went through leaving Cleveland, then winning b2b.
And yeah, when Hakeem's team struggled, it was because they had bad teams, but when Robinson lost in a single series, it was because he was inferior.
1. What does that have to do with anything? He rang with a ty team the year before.Going b2b after management got the perfect team and system around him, you mean.
Again, that has nothing to do with being an alpha.
If so, Lebron would be an alpha after what he went through leaving Cleveland, then winning b2b.
And yeah, when Hakeem's team struggled, it was because they had bad teams, but when Robinson lost in a single series, it was because he was inferior
2. Though LeBron left his team, going back to back is hard. Duncan should know about that more than anyone considering he has had 5 tries.
3. Now you're just rambling about nothing.
LeBron was the alpha of both his le teams despite what his detractors say ...
Same with Hakeem despite Rudy T's speech ....
I think alpha is as much about personality and will. Kobe has the will but lacks the personality same with timmy though Timmy's perona seems a lot more relatable. I think Ray Lewis another sport) was the alpha of the Ravens when they won Super Bowls. It's not ALWAYS the coach ... but i do think Coughlin was the leader for the Giants (but only because Strahan supported it)and Carroll for the Seahawks and Sean P for the Saints ...
Players become alpha for the franchise when their force of will is greater than the coach or if the coach lacks the ability to force their will ...Tim nor Kobe never had that because their coaches run their ships ...
PJ unfortunately allows to blow up though so PJ is better at media but tier with lockerrooms players have foughtm public feuds in ALL of PJ's stops while Pop seems to really develop family
Hey, thanks for totally putting players like Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Mad Max, Mario Elie and Otis Thorpe in their place. Sure they aren't the greatest players of all time, but their contribution, and their particular skill sets (space the floor, open up the middle, shoot 3s) was perfectly suited for Hakeem's game.
You introduced the idea of Hakeem struggling because of bad teams.
You then used Hakeem vs. Robinson as an individual battle without mention teammates.
You were the one to introduced all of this.
Then you, somehow, somewhere, started talking about b2b.
And I am the one rambling?
By your definition, Riley and Rudy were the alphas. I know you had a thing against Rudy T because of that horrible half season where he was exhausted from coaching Kobe to play team ball, but you can't just change midstream and start giving credit to Hakeem and take it away from Rudy T ag
Duncan was clearly the leader on the court throughout these years. He encourages teammates, calls them out, points them to defensive positions, talk to them, etc .... He has the personality, he has the will. But no, I don't see him as that Russell Jordan Thomas alpha personality.
Or because Duncan and Pop were always on the same page, because they want some credibility and (you guessed it) classiness in their organization.
Kobe wanted to be the alpha badly, but his grating personality alienated too many people and his agenda was clearly to put himself above the team, so players couldn't relate to or respect him.
I would argue Jackson fosters that locker room feud and introduce this one-ups-manship to get the best out of his players. It works for a short period of time, but it eventually comes to a head, players are sick of it (Shaq, Kobe, Pau) and they stop listening.
David West is about the closest to Alpha you're gonna get on the Spurs
always focusing on Kobe ...smh
For the record, you brought Kobe in the discussions .... again.
smh how did I forget my nig Marcus Smart. Standing up to that TTech klan member
It was an example he was not the subject ...in fact he was a throwaway example at the end ...but you see his name you cannot help yourself ... again.
And i wont go in to how wrong you are about team-mates not respecting him but it wont matter you dont care about truths that dont fit your agenda and I dont care to defend him here.
I agree that he is not the alpha and neither was Tim ...doesnt make either any less great this is just more Spurstalk nonsense.
Buddy, you named him twice in the same post, and I addressed those two instances directly.
What is the truth? How would you have the truth? All I know is all the mudslinging he did to marginal players, there was a published book from his HoF coach talking about how unapproachable and uncoachable he is, but yeah, you focus on nothing but the truth.
Don't drag Tim into this cesspool of Kobe. Duncan supports his teammates, sacrifices for the team and teammates appreciate that. Kobe didn't have any notable instances where he actually did any of that.
Whatever Amb, like i said if it helps you feed your ego, you win. I stand by my point that Pop and PJ were the alphas of their team ...feel free to talk about Kobe some more if it helps you as well ...
Hey, thanks for totally putting players like Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Mad Max, Mario Elie and Otis Thorpe in their place. Sure they aren't the greatest players of all time, but their contribution, and their particular skill sets (space the floor, open up the middle, shoot 3s) was perfectly suited for Hakeem's game.
You introduced the idea of Hakeem struggling because of bad teams.
You then used Hakeem vs. Robinson as an individual battle without mention teammates.
You were the one to introduced all of this.
Then you, somehow, somewhere, started talking about b2b.
And I am the one rambling?that 93-94 season, Vernon Maxwell shot 38% overall and 29% from three. In the playoffs, 37% and 32% from three. Cassell during the season shot 41% overall, and 29% from three. Elie in regular season shot 44% overall, and 33% from three. Horry shot 32% from the in the regular season. In the playoffs, Elie shot 31% from three and Maxwell 32%. They had 3 reliable three point shooters. So no, that team was not stacked with 3 point shooters.
And I mentioned Hakeem vs David because Hakeem destroyed Robinson one on one. Got it?
Ambchang on Duncan getting outplayed by Parker and Ginobli in two different finals in his prime, "
Fisher was the leader of the Lakers, and he sucked. Do you understand? Being the best player on a team doesn't mean being the alpha. Lebron wasn't an alpha, Dwight Howard wasn't an alpha, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an alpha, got it?
Yes, they played a one on one game when Hakeem shone and his compe ion struggled, but if it was the other way around, it was Hakeem had bad teammates, or better yet, the other team played illegal defense.
Hakeem always wins, everything he loses, it's because of his teammates, it's because the other guys don't play fair
Are you serious?Ambchang on Duncan getting outplayed by Parker and Ginobli in two different finals in his prime, "
You grasping at straws make you look even stupider than you have been, and your trolling is absolutely appalling.
So Duncan wasn't in his prime in 05 and 07?Fisher was the leader of the Lakers, and he sucked. Do you understand? Being the best player on a team doesn't mean being the alpha. Lebron wasn't an alpha, Dwight Howard wasn't an alpha, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an alpha, got it?
Yes, they played a one on one game when Hakeem shone and his compe ion struggled, but if it was the other way around, it was Hakeem had bad teammates, or better yet, the other team played illegal defense.
Hakeem always wins, everything he loses, it's because of his teammates, it's because the other guys don't play fair
Are you serious?
You grasping at straws make you look even stupider than you have been, and your trolling is absolutely appalling.ambchang
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