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    ACA/public option/medicare-for-all is not free

    Bernie's done the math, and other people have to. Obviously, you're a ing innumerate wanker.

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    this country needs to stop being so ing selfish and help each other, and the planet. if the top 1% won't do it on there own.....its time to force them to. simple as that.

    feel the bern and donate.

    www.berniesanders.com

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    this country needs to stop being so ing selfish and help each other, and the planet. if the top 1% won't do it on there own.....its time to force them to. simple as that.

    feel the bern and donate.

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    No..I'm not feeling the burn..I'm wearing a rubber bro....I like Bernie's message..it's just not feasible at this time...too risky.....we've made it these past 8 yrs no need for a major overhaul until Dems control congress....all Bernie is doing is spewing a populist message to get elected and then won't be able to deliver on ....he's just going to start a long 4 yr debate if he wins because not a gotdam thing will change....even though he may have good intentions he's lying his ing ass off and you guys are falling for it....Hillary ain't promising some pie in the sky bull that's why she has my vote

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    Bernie just had breakfast with Al Sharpton.

    Black Vote: check

    now he probably will have lunch at Taco Bell and win the latino vote.

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    ACA/public option/medicare-for-all is not free

    Bernie's done the math, and other people have to. Obviously, you're a ing innumerate wanker.
    the words coming out of his mouth are "free healthcare for all"

    you do the math. dumb

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    the words coming out of his mouth are "free healthcare for all"

    you do the math. dumb
    free at the time of access, but universal coverage is paid out of everybody's income, just like SS and Medicare, and employer group plans are now

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    I like Sanders message but the reality is voting Sanders is voting for Trump...Sanders will get trounced by Trump in the General.....Republicans haven't even went in on him yet and when they do its going to be a disaster.....you dont try stupid sht like this at a time the economy is fragile and still recovering....
    I am aghast that people think that a successful capitalist with all of his connections would be bad for this economy…Do you really think that Donald Trump would be worse on the economy than a light weight junior Senator community organizer?

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    Bernie just had breakfast with Al Sharpton.

    Black Vote: check

    now he probably will have lunch at Taco Bell and win the latino vote.
    Why Taco Bell? Did he have Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles with Sharpton or something?

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    Why Taco Bell? Did he have Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles with Sharpton or something?
    The one in Hollywood is great…They have added an Obama special to the menu…Get the ice cream size scoop of butter on the side for your waffles…

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    The one in Hollywood is great…They have added an Obama special to the menu…Get the ice cream size scoop of butter on the side for your waffles…
    Why hasn't this caught on in SA? Can you imagine the lines?

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    DEMOCRATS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 341 ✔
    POPULAR VOTE: 52.3%
    REPUBLICANS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 197
    POPULAR VOTE: 46.0%
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...-the-election/

    Assume modest turn out increases in all demographics

    Assume college educated whites shift slightly Democratic, as more Dems turnout than GOP
    Assume non-college educated whites shift slightly Republican as more of them turnout for GOP than Dems
    Assume Hispanic (think much younger demographic, where Sanders wins hands-down) shift very slightly more Democratic, but turn out increases slightly more than other groups
    Asians shift about the same as college educated whites.

    That is the electoral college in a Trump/Sanders dust-up, as I see it.

    Edit:

    Analysis is very sensitive to what college educated whites do/think though. A few points either way shift key states from Dem to GOP.

    DEMOCRATS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 235
    POPULAR VOTE: 49.4%
    REPUBLICANS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 303 ✔
    POPULAR VOTE: 48.9%
    A 3% shift the OTHER way for that demographic gives it to the GOP.

    Leaving the question:

    If you are a reasonably intelligent college educated white person, who would you vote for?

    Interesting.

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    If you are a reasonably intelligent college educated white person, who would you vote for?
    Considering Bernie's plan would raise taxes dramatically across the board (including on these intelligent middle class college educated voters) it's hard to see a majority of them voting against their own self interests. Bernie HAS to raise taxes on the middle class because that's where the money is.

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    He's not going to win. The game is really rigged in the democratic nomination process. The "super delegates" are almost all going to Hillary.

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    Considering Bernie's plan would raise taxes dramatically across the board (including on these intelligent middle class college educated voters) it's hard to see a majority of them voting against their own self interests. Bernie HAS to raise taxes on the middle class because that's where the money is.
    Actually, the money is in loopholes for corporations and the super rich. Bernie intends to hit them from both sides, by raising the minimum wage and exposing and closing these loopholes. Additionally, he's going to impose a speculation tax on wall street. Hundreds of economists back his plan, and a CNN Money article said if his entire economic plan went through would create a SURPLUS within his first term, as well as raising wages, increasing GDP growth, etc.

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    He's not going to win. The game is really rigged in the democratic nomination process. The "super delegates" are almost all going to Hillary.
    Almost sounds like 2008... the reality is, it is certainly an uphill battle, but Bernie has the money to drag the process out into late spring. And there is a good good thing about superdelegates - they can change their mind all the way up til the last moment.

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    Almost sounds like 2008... the reality is, it is certainly an uphill battle, but Bernie has the money to drag the process out into late spring. And there is a good good thing about superdelegates - they can change their mind all the way up til the last moment.
    Obama had a different pull though. The establishment democrats really don't like a lot of Bernie's policy ideas whereas there was not much difference between Obama and Clinton in 2008.

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    Actually, the money is in loopholes for corporations and the super rich. Bernie intends to hit them from both sides, by raising the minimum wage and exposing and closing these loopholes. Additionally, he's going to impose a speculation tax on wall street. Hundreds of economists back his plan, and a CNN Money article said if his entire economic plan went through would create a SURPLUS within his first term, as well as raising wages, increasing GDP growth, etc.
    You really should read his plan instead of regurgitating spoon fed talking points. He dramatically raises taxes on the middle class.

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    Obama had a different pull though. The establishment democrats really don't like a lot of Bernie's policy ideas whereas there was not much difference between Obama and Clinton in 2008.
    Have you seen the exit polling for NH? 40% of the registered Democrats want someone MORE liberal than Obama.

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    If it were to shape up as Trump vs. Sanders, Bloomberg would almost certainly enter the race.

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    You really should read his plan. He dramatically raises taxes on the middle class.
    This was covered in this very thread. You're lying. It's okay ConservativeCowboy, you can spread all the misinformation you want so you keep your taxes low.

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    LOL editing your post. I have read his entire plan, and every page of his website, and watched dozens of his speeches. You're WAY behind the curve, old man.

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    Have you seen the exit polling for NH? 40% of the registered Democrats want someone MORE liberal than Obama.
    Yes, but the establishment and people running for congress in 2016 think he's too left. That's why the super delegates aren't going his way. They just want to win and are less idealistic. I'm not saying he can't win, I just think it's almost certain he won't.

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    This is almost a flashback to the 60's - 80's where except for Clinton, Democrats time after time nominated unelectable liberals in the primaries.

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    Yes, but the establishment and people running for congress in 2016 think he's too left. That's why the super delegates aren't going his way. They just want to win and are less idealistic. I'm not saying he can't win, I just think it's almost certain he won't.
    He just won in a landslide and fought Hillary to a draw in the first two states where votes are counted... like I said, an uphill battle still, but making the inroads he has? Far from impossible.

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    I like Sanders message but the reality is voting Sanders is voting for Trump...Sanders will get trounced by Trump in the General.....Republicans haven't even went in on him yet and when they do its going to be a disaster.....you dont try stupid like this at a time the economy is fragile and still recovering.....and when Repubs control the House.....it's pointless....given the current state of politics what do you possibly think he will accomplish that Obama didn't? Sure he's not black like Obama so that will help a little but he's an avowed Socialist.....and the text book definition of a socialist will be driven home by the Republicans...it will be a disaster if Bernie beats Hillary....

    A complete disaster.....to stay the course and keep the recover going we need to elect Hillary no matter what we think of her.....Bernie is too far out there and what he's advocating will never pass...it will die die die in the House and likely the Senate....he knows this....

    He has a singular message about the middle class and that's it...its not enough for me.....he knows nothing about world affairs and its shameful for someone who's been in Congress for as long as he has....what has he a accomplished...he just comes out of nowhere talking this bull after being in Congress and part of the system for dam near 50 yrs...I simply don't beleive him....

    I'm voting Hillary
    What a bunch of nothing. Trump will beat Sanders because . . . .

    Sanders has been dominating the independent votes taking 70% as opposed to Hillary. Trumps favorability int he same demographic is in the 30's. If you are going to troll in here you are going to have to do better than this . Empty pla udes are too easy to dismiss for all your verbosity.

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