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    Voting against the bailout was the right thing. Tax payers shouldn't be forced to help a failing company.
    Was all for it until GM was allowed to skip out on it's last payment.
    That was b.s.

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    Has Bern given a stance on ISIS?

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    Has Bern given a stance on ISIS?
    He will tax them to death.

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    He will tax them to death.
    So funny.

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    In the top one tenth of one percent funniest posts imho tbh.

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    Would you rather pay your current tax and current health care or would you rather get what you pay towards health care in cash and see a 6% increase in tax and get medicare?

    You can still buy supplemental insurance of course.

    It will gut the health insurance industry which is fine with me. OTOH, what about businesses who no longer having to pay for health benefits? Do you think the margins might work out in their favor?

    You guys like to talk about taxes ideologically with a puritan bent but oversimplification should be seen in context.

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    Bernie hates when his Netflix starts buffering when watching House of Cards

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    Would you rather pay your current tax and current health care or would you rather get what you pay towards health care in cash and see a 6% increase in tax and get medicare?

    You can still buy supplemental insurance of course.

    It will gut the health insurance industry which is fine with me. OTOH, what about businesses who no longer having to pay for health benefits? Do you think the margins might work out in their favor?

    You guys like to talk about taxes ideologically with a puritan bent but oversimplification should be seen in context.
    So is this 6% going to cover only my husband (as he is the only one who works)? It's certainly not going to be enough to cover all 5 of us.

    I would rather my current health care and taxes and not be taxed an extra 6%. I currently pay $450 per month for 5 of us - $500 deductible per person and can go to any doctor/hospital in the country, pay my own wellness/checkups ($80 cash for diagnostic mammogram and bilateral breast ultrasound), but unlimited for any accident/incident (cancer, broken limb, etc). That 6% is not going to be enough to provide single payor. Nothing government promises ever comes in on time or on budget - single payor will just add to our ever growing debt. Believe me I can do a lot more with that 6% than what the government will with its waste and irresponsibility.

    Regarding Medicare, slowly add a month and raise the age to 70 for people who are 13+ years out.

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    So is this 6% going to cover only my husband (as he is the only one who works)? It's certainly not going to be enough to cover all 5 of us.

    I would rather my current health care and taxes and not be taxed an extra 6%. I currently pay $450 per month for 5 of us - $500 deductible per person and can go to any doctor/hospital in the country, pay my own wellness/checkups ($80 cash for diagnostic mammogram and bilateral breast ultrasound), but unlimited for any accident/incident (cancer, broken limb, etc). That 6% is not going to be enough to provide single payor. Nothing government promises ever comes in on time or on budget - single payor will just add to our ever growing debt. Believe me I can do a lot more with that 6% than what the government will with its waste and irresponsibility.

    Regarding Medicare, slowly add a month and raise the age to 70 for people who are 13+ years out.
    So your answer is that you don't think it will work? No real basis but incredulity.

    Are you subsidized or is your coverage through work?

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    So your answer is that you don't think it will work? No real basis but incredulity.

    Are you subsidized or is your coverage through work?
    I would hazard that my incredulity is as good a guess as yours. Look how the CBO estimates for ACA turned out:

    2016 - 21 million estimate slashed to 13 million

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth.../#6db871b6791e

    Neither. I belong to a Christian health sharing ministry and pay with taxed dollars.

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    He will tax them to death.

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    Lame

    It's really a bit much that at least so far none of the networks have carried any of Bernie Sanders' speech.

    Tonight was a massive win for Clinton.

    But Sanders is still in the race.

    Kasich, meanwhile, who has something like a courtesy win in his home state of Ohio but is not even really in the race, had his whole speech covered.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29




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    Lame

    It's really a bit much that at least so far none of the networks have carried any of Bernie Sanders' speech.

    Tonight was a massive win for Clinton.

    But Sanders is still in the race.

    Kasich, meanwhile, who has something like a courtesy win in his home state of Ohio but is not even really in the race, had his whole speech covered.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29



    He's in it in name only. He's done.

    You don't come back from losing 3 key states +2 more.

    Michigan an was a fluke after all.

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    He's in it in name only. He's done.

    You don't come back from losing 3 key states +2 more.

    Michigan an was a fluke after all.
    He actually ended up with +1 in MO and -1 in IL with delegates. Those two were ties not losses.

    He's got a long hill to climb but it's not out of the realms of possibility.

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    He's in it in name only. He's done.

    You don't come back from losing 3 key states +2 more.

    Michigan an was a fluke after all.
    Lots of Bernie states still left on the plate and Hillary will have to win big in California to lock the nomination...no an easy prospect....

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    Update on Dem delegate math:

    Pledged: Clinton 1130, Sanders 835
    Overall: Clinton 1566, Sanders 858
    Sanders needs to win 65% of remaining...

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    Sanders is toast

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    Sanders is toast
    don't worry, even if Bernie's elected, the Repug assholes won't let him touch your money.

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    He actually ended up with +1 in MO and -1 in IL with delegates. Those two were ties not losses.

    He's got a long hill to climb but it's not out of the realms of possibility.
    As longs as it is close either way, it's not a tie, it's a loss for Bernie.

    He's too far behind to match her in delegates.

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    Update on Dem delegate math:



    Sanders needs to win 65% of remaining...
    I dont get this?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ate_count.html

    She's crossed the thousand mark WITHOUT counting superdelegates.

    He's a good 300 delegates behind. That's tough to come back from.

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    Lots of Bernie states still left on the plate and Hillary will have to win big in California to lock the nomination...no an easy prospect....
    ?

    Unless he wins all of them by 30+ points, will it matter?

    New York will essentially be a tie. I doubt California will come into play by the time we're around that time frame.

    If this was like the republican winner take all then yeah, you'd be right but even if Bernie wins, she'll still get a good bit of the delegate share.

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    Could happen...not saying it will...just saying....Bernie is only 300 regular delegates at this point..the super-delegates will go the way of the states...Bern needs to do well in Wisconsin, New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington, Maryland, Arizona and Oregon then hope that California puts him over the top....

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    Trump needs 60% of the remaining delegates but is considered a lock.

    He has 666
    He needs 571 to reach 1237
    There are 946 still up for grabs

    Bernie needs 64% of the remaining delegates but is considered dead in the water.

    He has 851
    He needs 1532 to reach 2383
    There are 2309 still up for grabs

    So 4% is the difference from be a lock to win vs being dead in the water?

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