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    Bernie Sanders's $18 trillion in proposed spending is more affordable than it sounds

    Implementing the entire Bernie Sanders policy agenda would cost a staggering $18 trillion, according to a somewhat alarmist Wall Street Journal article about Iowa's favorite social democrat. And it's true. Sanders would substantially increase the size of explicit federal spending.

    But his proposals are also more affordable than you might think.



    As you can see from the WSJ's handy graphic, this "$18 trillion" cost over 10 years can be basically broken down into two buckets.

    There's a $15 trillion Medicare-for-all plan, and then there's everything else. Everything else tallies up to $3 trillion over 10 years. That is a lot of money. It is, however, $400 billion cheaper than Jeb Bush's tax cut plan. So the typical middle-class family will get $942 from Jeb Bush, while in Sanders-land the typical middle-class family will get free college, paid parental leave, and a bunch of new transportation infrastructure — plus Sanders averts the need to cut Social Security benefits or raise the retirement age.


    So what about this $15 trillion business? Well, Sanders is proposing to have the federal government pay for everyone's doctor visits, hospital stays, and medical procedures, just the way it currently does for people over the age of 65. Obviously that's an expensive undertaking. But right now private health insurance plans are projected to spend $14 trillion over the next 10 years, and people are forecast to incur $4 trillion in out-of-pocket expenses. Turning $18 trillion of private spending into $15 trillion of government spending while also expanding access to insurance would actually be an incredibly impressive trick. If you financed it with a broad-based payroll tax (the way Social Security is financed), people with job-based insurance plans wouldn't even notice the difference — today's insurance premium line on your pay stub would become a tax line.


    The reasonable question to ask about this is not whether it would be affordable, but whether it's actually true that America could pull off this kind of vast expansion of Medicare while retaining its low cost structure. It's certainly possible in theory, but when Sanders's home state of Vermont tried it, the plan collapsed in the legislature over working out the details.


    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/15/9330931...-spending-cost

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    Clinton Camp Goes Negative on Bernie Sanders for First Time

    A mailer compares Sanders to Britain's Jeremy Corbyn and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.

    Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

    Correct the Record shares office space with Media Matters which has, of late, done virtually no defending of Bernie Sanders while it runs daily counter-spin for Clinton. The last story Media Matters tweeted about the Vermont senator was July 26.

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/clinton-camp-goes-negative-bernie-sanders-first-time?akid=13478.187590.er6CH2&rd=1&src=newsletter1 042449&t=4



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    Bernie the cuck still around?

    Dark times for Democratic Party. A cuck or a feminist.

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    He's not a cuck or a feminist.

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    No, Bernie Sanders' Domestic Policy Plan Doesn't Really Cost $18 Trillion


    It depends on how you look at it. First, there's a set of proposals that the Journalestimates would cost about $3.4 trillion. That's not pocket change, but it's about as much as Jeb Bush's tax cut. The big difference is that Jeb's tax cuts mostly benefit the rich, while Bernie's proposals mostly benefit the poor and the middle class. You can decide for yourself which you prefer.

    Then there's the $15 trillion price tag for universal health care. Is this a fair estimate? It's probably in the ballpark. Private heath insurance accounted for about $1 trillion in spending last year, and assuming reasonable growth that will probably come to around $15 trillion over the course of a decade.

    But here's the thing: this is money we already spend. Right now, employers and workers pay insurance companies $1 trillion for health care. Under Bernie's plan, we'd instead pay that money to the federal government. Generally speaking, this would be invisible to most of us. Behind the scenes, our dollars would flow to a different place, and that's about it.


    So the Sanders plan wouldn't actually take money out of our pockets. It's a wash. It needs to be evaluated instead on all the usual metrics. Would the government do a better job of holding down costs? Would government control distort market signals? Would innovation suffer? Would most of us have more choice in health care providers? Would more people be covered? Etc.


    Bottom line: You should think of the Sanders plan as costing about $3.4 trillion. You may or may not like the idea of universal health care, but it wouldn't have much impact on how much money you actually take home each week.


    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...st-18-trillion

    Murdoch's Repug WSJ distorting, misinforming, LYING. nah, never



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    Bernie Sanders's $18 trillion in proposed spending is more affordable than it sounds

    Sanders would substantially increase the size of explicit federal spending.

    But his proposals are also more affordable than you might think.

    As you can see from the WSJ's handy graphic, this "$18 trillion" cost over 10 years can be basically broken down into two buckets.

    There's a $15 trillion Medicare-for-all plan, and then there's everything else. Everything else tallies up to $3 trillion over 10 years. That is a lot of money. It is, however, $400 billion cheaper than Jeb Bush's tax cut plan. So the typical middle-class family will get $942 from Jeb Bush, while in Sanders-land the typical middle-class family will get free college, paid parental leave, and a bunch of new transportation infrastructure — plus Sanders averts the need to cut Social Security benefits or raise the retirement age.


    So what about this $15 trillion business? Well, Sanders is proposing to have the federal government pay for everyone's doctor visits, hospital stays, and medical procedures, just the way it currently does for people over the age of 65. Obviously that's an expensive undertaking. But right now private health insurance plans are projected to spend $14 trillion over the next 10 years, and people are forecast to incur $4 trillion in out-of-pocket expenses.

    Turning $18 trillion of private spending into $15 trillion of government spending while also expanding access to insurance would actually be an incredibly impressive trick. If you financed it with a broad-based payroll tax (the way Social Security is financed), people with job-based insurance plans wouldn't even notice the difference — today's insurance premium line on your pay stub would become a tax line.


    The reasonable question to ask about this is not whether it would be affordable, but whether it's actually true that America could pull off this kind of vast expansion of Medicare while retaining its low cost structure. It's certainly possible in theory, but when Sanders's home state of Vermont tried it, the plan collapsed in the legislature over working out the details.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/15/9330931...-spending-cost





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    He's not a cuck or a feminist.
    Bernie - cuck
    Hillary - feminist


    Rather have a loud mouth who doesn't shy away from holding people accountable

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    Why do you think he's a cuck?

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    Lol boutons and lol that "article"

    his plan is 18 trillion but you should think of it as 3.4 trillion
    oh ok

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    Lol boutons and lol that "article"

    his plan is 18 trillion but you should think of it as 3.4 trillion
    oh ok
    $3.4 trillion over 10 years for a country the size of the USA is not absurd.

    In theory at least, it is an investment that will help spark economic growth that will in turn help generate more tax revenue.

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    Except it's not 3.4 trillion it's 18

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    Except it's not 3.4 trillion it's 18
    18 is WSJ's kill-this-idea FUD number.

    over 10 years, US economy churns through $150T (if the Banksters don't screw us again)

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    Why do you think he's a cuck?
    Too idealistic. Would crumble under the scrutiny


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    15 jaw-dropping quotes from Bernie Sanders at Liberty University

    1) “Liberty University is a religious school, obviously. [...] And you try to understand, in this very complicated modern world that we live in, what the words of the Bible mean in today's society.”

    2) “In the Pope's view, and I agree with him, we are living [...] in a world which worships not love of brothers and sisters, not love of the poor and the sick, but worships the acquisition of money and great wealth.”


    3) “You know there is a lot of talk in this country from politicians about family values. [...] In my view there is no justice when low income and working class mothers are forced to separate from their babies one or two weeks after birth and go back to work because they need the money that their jobs provide.”


    4) “I understand that the issues of abortion and gay marriage are issues that you feel very strongly about. We disagree on those issues. [But let me respectfully suggest that there are other issues [that] we can try to work together to resolve them.”


    5) “I am not a theologian, I am not an expert on the Bible, nor am I a Catholic. I am just a United States senator from the small state of Vermont.”


    6) “There is too much shouting at each other. There is too much making fun of each other.”


    7) “I am motivated by a vision, [...] so beautifully and clearly stated in Matthew 7:12, and it states, ‘So in everything, do to others what you would have them to do to you, for this sums up the war and the prophets.’ That is the golden rule.”

    8) “Injustice is rampant. We live, [...] in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. But most Americans don't know that. Because almost all of that wealth and income is going to the top one percent.”


    9) “In my view, there is no justice, when here, in Virginia and Vermont and all over this country, millions of people are working long hours for abysmally low wages of $7.25 an hour.”


    10) “Put this in the context of the Bible, not me, [...] we are living in a time where a handful of people have wealth beyond comprehension.”


    11) “I think that when we talk about morality, what we are talking about is all of God's children. The poor, the wretched, they have a right to go to a doctor when they are sick.”


    12) “You have to think about it and you have to feel it in your guts. Are you content? Do you think it's moral when 20 percent of the children in this country [are] living in poverty?”


    13) “‘The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose,’” he said, quoting Pope Francis.


    14) “In your hearts, you will have to determine the morality of that, and the justice of that.”


    15) “I conclude with this thought, I would hope very much that as part of that discussion and part of that learning process, some of you will conclude that if we are honest in striving to be a moral and just society, it is imperative that we have the courage to stand with the poor, to stand with working people and when necessary, take on very powerful and wealthy people whose greed, in my view, is doing this country enormous harm.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/15-j...e+Raw+Story%29

    yep, Bernie sounds like the garden-variety, run-of-the-mill bull ting politician

    I wonder if we'll hear how Liberty U's indoctrinated drones responded?



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    18 is WSJ's kill-this-idea FUD number.

    over 10 years, US economy churns through $150T (if the Banksters don't screw us again)
    Don't compare GDP to budget. It makes you look dumb(er)

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    Lol boutons and lol that "article"

    his plan is 18 trillion but you should think of it as 3.4 trillion
    oh ok
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    The SMEAR



    and since most Americans are too dumb to know what socialism is, and how https://berniesanders.com/issues/ is not socialism, the Repug/Fox/VRWC smearing, a total lie, will probably work. Conservative political success depends on the emotionality, stupidity, ignorance of conservative voters. A great way to run a country.

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    Lol boutons and lol that "article"

    his plan is 18 trillion but you should think of it as 3.4 trillion
    oh ok
    IDK if you guys are just trolling boutons, but the article makes a valid point. The $15 trillion over 10 years on "Medicare for All" is not new health spending, it's a subs ute for the spend that's happening anyway through more inefficient channels. That spend can either go to private insurance firms or to a single payer public model. The US currently spends approximately $3 trillion per year on healthcare. Per capita spending on healthcare is about 80% higher than Germany and nearly 150% higher than the UK.

    Having said that, America will not be able to control healthcare costs as well as other developed nations even if Medicare for all is implemented. The data shows that while Medicare is more efficient than private insurance, it is not as efficient as the UK/Canadian/French/German systems or even the VA or Medicaid. One reason is that Medicare doesn't have the same market share/clout as in other countries, and the other reason is that Medicare is prohibited (by the 2003 Medicare law) from negotiating prices with prescription drug makers.

    Basically, unless the public holds elected officials accountable for the handouts they give to their donors, the average American will continue to pay steep prices for a mediocre health system.

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    TB always with the devastating, loquacious, content-free take down.

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    “If a bank is too big to fail, it is”—he paused,

    and a chorus of voices echoed in unison—“too big to exist!”

    Sanders cracked a smile. “You know my speeches better than I do," he said.

    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-barnstorms-south-speaking-swelling-crowds?akid=13479.187590.W7-0HC&rd=1&src=newsletter1042471&t=4



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    Too idealistic. Would crumble under the scrutiny
    Idealistic for not accepting that he should bend over for the corporations and big business like all the other politicians?

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    Idealistic for not accepting that he should bend over for the corporations and big business like all the other politicians?
    He bent over for a few protesters, imagine what Putin and the lobbyists would do to him

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    Don't compare GDP to budget. It makes you look dumb(er)
    18 is WSJ's kill-this-idea FUD number.

    over 10 years, US economy churns through $150T (if the Banksters don't screw us again)


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    why do you use words if when you state something
    anybody can do that

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