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    He bent over for a few protesters
    what alternative behavior would you, less Macho Man, have preferred from Bernie?

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    and since most Americans are too dumb to know what socialism is, and how https://berniesanders.com/issues/ is not socialism, the Repug/Fox/VRWC smearing, a total lie, will probably work. Conservative political success depends on the emotionality, stupidity, ignorance of conservative voters. A great way to run a country.
    He self-identifies as a socialist.

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    Except it's not 3.4 trillion it's 18
    It's not a new expense for Americans though. At least in theory, it's just paying your insurance premium to the government instead of to your employer plan. We have to see the details to see whether it creates a deficit or not.

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    He self-identifies as a socialist.
    socialism is above all the common ownership of the means of production, rather than by capitalists.

    Bernie probably should call himself a democratic socialist because he does not now, nor ever, call for the takeover of private enterprise.

    Democratic socialism is another phrase for "government of the people, by the people, for the people (shall not perish from the earth)" but such government has perished in the USA as BigCorp and 1% now control govt for themselves, to extract wealth from The People.



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    socialism is above all the common ownership of the means of production, rather than by capitalists.
    Then what is communism?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    ... and there's probably a lot diversity in the definitions. None them describe Bernie's career or campaign planks.

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    Bernie Sanders vows to strike down absurd federal marijuana money laws


    “Do you believe that it is the purview of the federal government to legislate the criminalization of marijuana?” Walker asked.

    “What the federal government can do is say to the state of Colorado that if you choose to vote to legalize marijuana, we will allow you to do that without restrictions,” said Sanders.

    “As I understand it,” he said, “in Colorado, people who run marijuana shops can’t put their money in banks, for example.

    That’s a violation of federal law.

    So I think there are things that the federal government can do that would make it easier for states that want to go in that direction to be able to do so.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/bern...e+Raw+Story%29



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    15 jaw-dropping quotes from Bernie Sanders at Liberty University

    1) “Liberty University is a religious school, obviously. [...] And you try to understand, in this very complicated modern world that we live in, what the words of the Bible mean in today's society.”

    2) “In the Pope's view, and I agree with him, we are living [...] in a world which worships not love of brothers and sisters, not love of the poor and the sick, but worships the acquisition of money and great wealth.”


    3) “You know there is a lot of talk in this country from politicians about family values. [...] In my view there is no justice when low income and working class mothers are forced to separate from their babies one or two weeks after birth and go back to work because they need the money that their jobs provide.”


    4) “I understand that the issues of abortion and gay marriage are issues that you feel very strongly about. We disagree on those issues. [But let me respectfully suggest that there are other issues [that] we can try to work together to resolve them.”


    5) “I am not a theologian, I am not an expert on the Bible, nor am I a Catholic. I am just a United States senator from the small state of Vermont.”


    6) “There is too much shouting at each other. There is too much making fun of each other.”


    7) “I am motivated by a vision, [...] so beautifully and clearly stated in Matthew 7:12, and it states, ‘So in everything, do to others what you would have them to do to you, for this sums up the war and the prophets.’ That is the golden rule.”

    8) “Injustice is rampant. We live, [...] in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. But most Americans don't know that. Because almost all of that wealth and income is going to the top one percent.”


    9) “In my view, there is no justice, when here, in Virginia and Vermont and all over this country, millions of people are working long hours for abysmally low wages of $7.25 an hour.”


    10) “Put this in the context of the Bible, not me, [...] we are living in a time where a handful of people have wealth beyond comprehension.”


    11) “I think that when we talk about morality, what we are talking about is all of God's children. The poor, the wretched, they have a right to go to a doctor when they are sick.”


    12) “You have to think about it and you have to feel it in your guts. Are you content? Do you think it's moral when 20 percent of the children in this country [are] living in poverty?”


    13) “‘The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose,’” he said, quoting Pope Francis.


    14) “In your hearts, you will have to determine the morality of that, and the justice of that.”


    15) “I conclude with this thought, I would hope very much that as part of that discussion and part of that learning process, some of you will conclude that if we are honest in striving to be a moral and just society, it is imperative that we have the courage to stand with the poor, to stand with working people and when necessary, take on very powerful and wealthy people whose greed, in my view, is doing this country enormous harm.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/15-j...e+Raw+Story%29

    yep, Bernie sounds like the garden-variety, run-of-the-mill bull ting politician

    I wonder if we'll hear how Liberty U's indoctrinated drones responded?
    An Evangelical responds to Sanders' speech at Liberty U


    He was convicting the Christian leaders and the religious leaders in that university, and calling us out for being complicit in the abandonment of those who suffer, the least of these, and siding with the powerful and rich, the masters of this world.

    And he was convicting us and calling us out, and we scorned him, and we stared him down; and, with sour faces, we thought, "Who is this wacko, and why do all these people seem to follow him, seem to like him – this wild-haired Jew, crying out from the wilderness of the political left, in his hoarse voice?"

    When I heard Bernie speaking in that way, when I saw that guy on stage at Liberty University, I saw John the Baptist...crying out to the religious leaders, the Pharisees of his day, calling them corrupt and complicit with those who have all the power and all the money and all the wealth, and abandoning the people that God loves, that God cares about...

    As I heard Bernie Sanders crying out to the religious leaders at Liberty University, in his hoarse voice, with his wild hair – this Jew – and he proclaimed justice over us, he called us to account, for being complicit with those who are wealthy and those who are powerful, and for abandoning the poor, the least of these, who Jesus said he had come to bring good news to.

    And in that moment something occurred to me.

    As I saw Bernie Sanders up there, as I watched him, I realized Bernie Sanders for president is good news for the poor.

    Bernie Sanders for president is Good News for the poor.

    Bernie Sanders is gospel for the poor.

    And Jesus said "I have come to bring gospel" – good news – "to the poor."

    And lightning hit my heart at that moment.

    And I realized that we are evangelical Christians.

    We believe the Bible.

    We believe in Jesus.

    We absolutely shun those who would attempt to find nuance and twisted and tortured interpretations of scripture that they would use to master all other broader interpretations, to find some kind of big message that they want to flout.

    We absolutely scorn such things, and yet somehow we commit to the mental gymnastics necessary that allows us to abandon the least of these, to abandon the poor, to abandon the immigrants, to abandon those who are in prison.


    I listened to Bernie Sanders as he said he wanted to welcome the immigrants and give them dignity, as he said he wanted to care for the sick children and mothers and fathers who do not have health care, as he said he wanted to decrease the amount of human beings who are corralled like cattle in the prisons, as he said he wanted to do justice for those who have nothing and live homeless.

    And I remembered the words of Jesus who warned his disciples that there will be judgement, and on that day he will look to his friends, and he will say "Blessed are you for you cared for me, for I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you cared for me, I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was in prison and you came to visit me, I was homeless and you gave me shelter."



    And his disciples said, "When did we do any of those things for you?" And he said, "If you have done it for the least of these, you have done it for me."

    Those words echoed in my heart as I listened to that crazy, hoarse-voiced, wild-haired Jew standing in front of the religous leaders of the Evangelical Movement, calling us to account, as a Jew once did before, telling us that he intends to care for the least of these, to clothe the naked, to shelter the homeless, to care for the sick, to set the prisoners free.

    I wouldn't be much of a Christian if I didn't stand on the side of gospel for the poor, because, the last time I checked, that's where my master Jesus stood, and I'll stand with Him.

    And, for now, that means I stand with Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...U?detail=email



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    ing Bible Humping Christians!

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    I like Bernie for the same reason I like Trump. He's so far outside of the box he's in another ing area code.

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    what alternative behavior would you, less Macho Man, have preferred from Bernie?
    Elections are sometimes won on 10-second sound bite. The bullying by BlackLivesMatter destroyed his campaign.

    Many Non-Blacks will not be able to get over that. Especially during the PC war raging

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    ing Bible Humping Christians!
    some are sincere squirrels, are not ideologically destroyed, nor rejected civil society, and find a nut

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    Democratic socialism is another phrase for "government of the people, by the people, for the people (shall not perish from the earth)"...

    Is that the definition now?

    Then I'm a socialist.

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    And the "people" can vote out anyone they choose every 2, 4 or 6 years. I agree this government is not for the people, but it is the government the people keep choosing.

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    If you have the "by", does it make the "for" untenable?

    Are people too stupid to know what's good for them?

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    The real fight begins on the first democratic debate.

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    Is that the definition now?

    Then I'm a socialist.
    Welcome!

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    And the "people" can vote out anyone they choose every 2, 4 or 6 years. I agree this government is not for the people, but it is the government the people keep choosing.
    False. the oligarchy finds, grooms, presents, funds the candidates.

    People "believe" the myth that their votes "counts", that they are not disenfranchised, but they get policies and programs that help them, only ones that protect, enrich, enable the oligarchy.

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    If you have the "by", does it make the "for" untenable?

    Are people too stupid to know what's good for them?
    certainly, red state low-info (stupid, ignorant), low-wage, low-education Repug/tea bagger voters repeatedly vote against their own financial interests while voting for some social issue bull dishonestly pushed in their faces as campaign issues.

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    certainly, red state low-info (stupid, ignorant), low-wage, low-education Repug/tea bagger voters repeatedly vote against their own financial interests while voting for some social issue bull dishonestly pushed in their faces as campaign issues.
    THATS RIGHT!

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    certainly, red state low-info (stupid, ignorant), low-wage, low-education Repug/tea bagger voters repeatedly vote against their own financial interests while voting for some social issue bull dishonestly pushed in their faces as campaign issues.

    SOOOOO. If we had enough blue; for instance, a democratic president AND congress - everything would be fixed? We ought to try that.

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    certainly, red state low-info (stupid, ignorant), low-wage, low-education Repug/tea bagger voters repeatedly vote against their own financial interests while voting for some social issue bull dishonestly pushed in their faces as campaign issues.

    I'm in a purple state (Pa). Doesn't seem to be working in my financial interest very well. I do fine, but the state works for the state; self-strengthening, self perpetuating. Taxes higher, teachers paid more, but education isn't any better. Kids learn how much we push them to learn/teach them at home in either place (lived in Texas until '05).

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    Your rants would work better Boutons if you'd go ahead and embrace the truth YOU KNOW is there: The Republicans and Democrats are in this together. They BOTH play to their crowds to keep them in power/which they divide nationally about evenly. Creates stability for those at the top, while fomenting constant friction for everyone else.

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    Like TX, PA is blue in the cities and red elsewhere.

    Like JimmyRicky's $5B ed cut, PA cut school budget by $1B, how are teachers getting paid more? And PA just passed, like JimmyRicky, or is passing, a property tax cut. PA is currently much more red in MISgovernance, than blue.

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    Like TX, PA is blue in the cities and red elsewhere.

    how are teachers getting paid more?
    School age population is down; not as many to educate. Much of the cuts were aimed at University support (wife is a prof. at a state school); tuition is up at university. Property taxes & local income taxes have gone up to compensate for less coming from the state at the school level. Starting teacher salary in the district I live in is $62,000/yr.

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