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    Do you think Bernie is a democratic socialist?
    I think you tried to use wikipedia seriously.

    Now, maybe you can find me Bernie's explicit plan for government control of the publishing industry.

    I'll wait for your honest and sincere argument.

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    I think you tried to use wikipedia seriously.
    SR21 accepted the definition and was free to post an alternative.

    Do you think Bernie is a democratic socialist? Since you refuse to answer that, I'd say that's a sensitive subject. You don't want to admit Bernie is either ignorant, dishonest or delusional.

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    ^Look who returns to their vomit

    Believes the fevered dream in the Revelations to John
    Probably went to a religious school and got a liberal arts degree
    Flaccid attempts at intellectual bullying
    grading your own work
    carrying Bernie's torch
    Bernie is a fraud
    Getting cucked again by CNN and the DNC
    Neiman Marxists running from their failed political ideology - in denial
    "Bernie's not a socialist!" - ST Avengers
    "I'm a democratic socialist" -Bernie

    Full fledged meltdown.

    We did it, Avengers! Thanks for answering the "beacon!"


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    SR21 accepted the definition and was free to post an alternative.

    Do you think Bernie is a democratic socialist? Since you refuse to answer that, I'd say that's a sensitive subject. You don't want to admit Bernie is either ignorant, dishonest or delusional.
    I disagree with your definition since you think it means federal control of the publishing industry.

    Now, what is your evidence that Bernie has a plan for government control of the publishing industry?

    This is going to be an incredibly sensitive subject for you, so you'll probably shut the up about it like you always do when you're called out on your bull . You don't want to admit you are either ignorant, dishonest or delusional.

    You'll need to change the subject to me personally or whine about posters' ganging up on you.

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    I disagree with your definition since you think it means federal control of the publishing industry.

    Now, what is your evidence that Bernie has a plan for government control of the publishing industry?

    This is going to be an incredibly sensitive subject for you, so you'll probably shut the up about it like you always do when you're called out on your bull . You don't want to admit you are either ignorant, dishonest or delusional.

    You'll need to change the subject to me personally or whine about posters' ganging up on you.
    Simple question. Do you believe Bernie is a democratic socialist? Offer whatever definition you can find for that term. Is it or isn't he?

    All that talking you just did and still cannot answer a simple question.

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    Full fledged meltdown.

    We did it, Avengers! Thanks for answering the "beacon!"

    So I was right, you're a liberal arts/theology person

    Explains why you're confused.

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    So I was right, you're a liberal arts/theology person

    Explains why you're confused.
    You're incorrect. Now go find out my name and look me up on LinkedIn, creep.

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    You're incorrect. Now go find out my name and look me up on LinkedIn, creep.
    You already said you're a theist. Your liberal stance doesn't jibe with your god belief. Must suck having to hold all that in..

    social media

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    Simple question. Do you believe Bernie is a democratic socialist? Offer whatever definition you can find for that term. Is it or isn't he?

    All that talking you just did and still cannot answer a simple question.
    I think he is according to his own definition. His definition can be found in his rather extensive oral and written record.

    Not in a single wikipedia ariticle.

    Now, what is your evidence that Bernie has a plan for government control of the publishing industry?

    It's a simple question.

    Answer it.

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    You're incorrect. Now go find out my name and look me up on LinkedIn, creep.
    What makes you think he hasn't done that already?

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    You already said you're a theist. Your liberal stance doesn't jibe with your god belief. Must suck having to hold all that in..

    social media
    I've said I'm a Christian. You're incorrect about my degree.

    My liberal stance aligns just fine with my religion.

    Your rants against theism are pretty toothless considering you yuk it up with the most vocal "Christians" on this forum and never have a thing to say about their Christianity. But you and I both know this isn't about religion, it's about your insecure desperation to be validated.

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    I've said I'm a Christian. You're incorrect about my degree.

    My liberal stance aligns just fine with my religion.

    Your rants against theism are pretty toothless considering you yuk it up with the most vocal "Christians" on this forum and never have a thing to say about their Christianity. But you and I both know this isn't about religion, it's about your insecure desperation to be validated.
    I don't have any rants against theism. I usually defend people who are being attacked solely for their theism even though I am atheist. My comment was aimed at your "fevered dream fantasy" which really resonates with the book of Revelations. If you believe a 2000 year old dream interpretation is the end of times prophecy, why do you use such a term "fevered dream fantasy" and not realize how hypocritical it sounds?

    Now, is Bernie a democratic socialist or not?

    You and I need to bury the hatchet. What say old horse?

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    I think he is according to his own definition. His definition can be found in his rather extensive oral and written record.

    Not in a single wikipedia ariticle.

    Now, what is your evidence that Bernie has a plan for government control of the publishing industry?

    It's a simple question.

    Answer it.
    According to his own definition.



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    According to his own definition.



    de∑lu∑sion∑al

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    characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
    Right, you appear to have deluded yourself into thinking Bernie has called for government control of the publishing industry.

    Now, what is your evidence that Bernie has a plan for government control of the publishing industry?

    It's a simple question.

    Answer it.

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    I don't have any rants against theism. I usually defend people who are being attacked solely for their theism even though I am atheist. My comment was aimed at your "fevered dream fantasy" which really resonates with the book of Revelations. If you believe a 2000 year old dream interpretation is the end of times prophecy, why do you use such a term "fevered dream fantasy" and not realize how hypocritical it sounds?
    I mean if it makes you feel better about my phrasing, I don't believe in a literal interpretation of Revelation or most of the Bible. Point being, just because you get pushback from several posters doesn't mean we're coordinating or ganging up on you.

    Now, is Bernie a democratic socialist or not?
    Yes. And as it has been covered several times, that's not at odds with making money from a book, because socialism doesn't demand that publishing be controlled by the state.

    You and I need to bury the hatchet. What say old horse?
    I don't take any of this personally so there's no hatchet to bury. Come on, this is what we're all here for.

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    You continually misrepresent my position. Is that because you cannot find a path back to where you actually agree with what I said - that Bernie isn't a true socialist?
    a) see all my posts about your lazy adherence to labels instead of a nuanced analysis of his actual policies

    b) hereís all the times i did what you claim i didnít in the bolded
    because i'm familiar with his policies.

    when i first asked you to define socialism, and you gave the definition of democratic socialism, that definition provided for a socially owned economy (ergo, no capitalism, no private ventures, etc). and yet if you look at what bernie is advocating for, that's not it.

    so he's not a pure socialist by the very definition you posted. he's just a lot closer to the socialist end of the spectrum that just about any other major politician in this country, so him calling himself a socialist is relative.

    i mean, if you look up a definition of capitalism, it will say that that industry and trade are controlled by the private sector, and not the state. and yet we know that is not an entirely accurate definition of the current US. so anybody who says they are a capitalist but dont want to abolish medicare, social security, minimum wages, etc is also being inaccurate if you are going to be nitpicky

    so if we're not capitalist, and we're not socialist, what are we? or you just stop being dense for a second and consider that we are somewhere on a spectrum.
    - bernie is a socialist!

    i show that he isn't actually a socialist because he's not trying to have the state control all industry

    - but bernie calls himself a socialist!

    and yet that doesnt invalidate the 2nd line of this post...
    you're upset because he calls himself a socialist when he's not a pure socialist. i'm saying thats a very nitpicky position, because i dont see you complaining about people who call themselves capitalists despite not being pure capitalists

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    And i didn’t misrepresent your position at all. You’re angry because Bernie calls himself socialist while he makes money from book deals (which is perfectly compatible with his actual policy positions since he’s not a pure socialist and he doesn’t think the state should own all industries including publishing)

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    but wiki sez

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    I mean if it makes you feel better about my phrasing, I don't believe in a literal interpretation of Revelation or most of the Bible. Point being, just because you get pushback from several posters doesn't mean we're coordinating or ganging up on you.
    The fact you say "we're" indicates just the opposite. I don't ever argue from a group position.
    Yes. And as it has been covered several times, that's not at odds with making money from a book, because socialism doesn't demand that publishing be controlled by the state.
    It's not the publishing I take issue with. It's the profit he made by selling based on supply/demand. Bernie ragged for decades about millionaires. Now he is one. He became that way through capitalism, not socialism.
    I don't take any of this personally so there's no hatchet to bury. Come on, this is what we're all here for.

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    And i didn’t misrepresent your position at all. You’re angry because Bernie calls himself socialist while he makes money from book deals (which is perfectly compatible with his actual policy positions since he’s not a pure socialist and he doesn’t think the state should own all industries including publishing)
    Ratchet down the drama. It's unnecessary.

    Bernie describes himself one way - you and a few others here allow for a customized definition of that. Bernie has an entire career of preaching socialism, why you are here now pretending he's not a socialist is beyond me. What do you hope to achieve?

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    a) see all my posts about your lazy adherence to labels instead of a nuanced analysis of his actual policies

    b) here’s all the times i did what you claim i didn’t in the bolded
    That's why I said "path back".

    You have to have been somewhere to find your way back. All these times you agreed he's not what he claims to be. Researching Bernie even a little gives a clear image that Bernie is indeed socialist but he's trying to soften the image because the country still isn't ready to accept that term as anything other than communism. Warren knows this. Bernie is moving slowly but his political beliefs from 40 years ago were even more radical then than they would be now, but somehow he's moved closer to the center? I don't buy that.

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