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    ClintonNN intent on cratering Bernie

    CNN: Bernie Sanders’ Plans Could Cost $60 Trillion or More in Extra Federal Spending

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnn-bernie-sanders-plans-could-cost-60-trillion-or-more-in-extra-federal-spending/
    CNN bad now

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    This is how it works with you folks. You respond to my answer to Chump and he responds to my answer to you.

    You're so lost now I don't know if I can get you back on track.
    you just agreed with me that the distinction between Social Democrat and Democratic socialist isn't a big deal because that distinction would mean nothing in the general election with Bernie as a candidate.

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    Of course it's relevant. You said it's no big deal whether someone identifies as a democrat or socialist. Socialist democrat is one thing, but democratic socialist is something else, and the 2nd is how Bernie self identifies because he won't let go of socialism. It will affect his chances. You can deny it after the fact all you like, and find other causes but if Bernie loses to Warren or Biden, it's probably due to him claiming to be a socialist.
    Trump is going to call any opponent a radical socialist. No distinction will be made.

    And now you moved the goalposts back to the primaries.

    You're lost.

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    you just agreed with me that the distinction between Social Democrat and Democratic socialist isn't a big deal because that distinction would mean nothing in the general election with Bernie as a candidate.
    When did I do that exactly? Use your quote tags.

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    Trump is going to call any opponent a radical socialist. No distinction will be made.

    And now you moved the goalposts back to the primaries.

    You're lost.
    If you call yourself a socialist, Trump won't need to. Bernie isn't facing Trump, he's facing Warren and Biden mostly.

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    This is how it works with you folks. You respond to my answer to Chump and he responds to my answer to you.

    You're so lost now I don't know if I can get you back on track.
    you're lost. the posts are right there

    chump said the distinction between the democratic socialist and social democrat les is not that big a deal

    your direct response was "we'll see come election"

    i'm following just fine, you just keep ting yourself at every turn

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    Socialist democrat is one thing, but democratic socialist is something else
    Bernie's not being an actual member of the Democratic party is an issue and has been before.

    I've said this.

    The average voter isn't going to even do your lazy research into terms that barely mean anything in US politics. They'll look at Bernie's positions, listen to his words and see if they like them. Especially his call for a government takeover of the publishing industry you insist he must be advocating.

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    you're lost. the posts are right there

    chump said the distinction between the democratic socialist and social democrat les is not that big a deal

    your direct response was "we'll see come election"

    i'm following just fine, you just keep ting yourself at every turn
    Chump said

    What does this have to do with your assertions?

    Let your argument stand on its own.

    "we're not piling on"

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    When did I do that exactly? Use your quote tags.
    Bernie's not being an actual member of the Democratic party is an issue and has been before.

    I've said this.

    The average voter isn't going to even do your lazy research into terms that barely mean anything in US politics. They'll look at Bernie's positions, listen to his words and see if they like them. Especially his call for a government takeover of the publishing industry you insist he must be advocating.
    Quote what you claim I agreed with you on or retract it.

    The average voter won't research anyone. I don't know what "average voter" you've been talking to. I mean, Trump won. Do you think the average voter researched Trump and his lengthy background in politics or they just voted for the republican candidate who say they agree with on TV?

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    Chump said

    What does this have to do with your assertions?

    Let your argument stand on its own.

    "we're not piling on"
    Uh, he can't really make an argument without recounting what I said.

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    Quote what you claim I agreed with you on or retract it.

    The average voter won't research anyone. I don't know what "average voter" you've been talking to. I mean, Trump won. Do you think the average voter researched Trump and his lengthy background in politics or they just voted for the republican candidate who say they agree with on TV?
    you're agreeing with me again.

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    Uh, he can't really make an argument without recounting what I said.
    He still has his own argument he can fall back on. I realize that's an extreme measure around here but it's there for him.

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    you're agreeing with me again.
    Agree about not researching, but not about listening to Bernie and deciding based on his position. I don't think they'll look at him at all outside of maybe a debate. He won't lose voters, mostly, but he won't gain any. I have a lower opinion of the average voter than you, obviously. I think they will vote based on his appearance and the label of socialist. He'll be the far left extreme on the stage, and Warren already painted him as a misogynist and a CNN painted him as a liar. His positions might as well be a settlement on Mars.

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    Chump said

    What does this have to do with your assertions?

    Let your argument stand on its own.

    "we're not piling on"
    my argument did. sanders isn't a pure socialist. i've said so all along. you blew a gasket because he makes money off his books despite calling himself a democratic socialist, which i said doesnt contradict his values because he has never advocated for state control over all industry, including book publications, and that its very lazy to look up a long definition of whatever brand of socialism and try to claim somebody must subscribe to every single world/sentence within such definition

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    my argument did. sanders isn't a pure socialist. i've said so all along. you blew a gasket because he makes money off his books despite calling himself a democratic socialist, which i said doesnt contradict his values because he has never advocated for state control over all industry, including book publications, and that its very lazy to look up a long definition of whatever brand of socialism and try to claim somebody must subscribe to every single world/sentence within such definition


    You went from "take issue with" to "angry" to "upset" to "blew a gasket".

    Your need to insert drama where none exists tells me you don't really have anything else to offer.

    “Is it right that the middle class continues to disappear while there has been a massive transfer of wealth from working families to the top one-tenth of 1 percent? Trillions of dollars in the last 30 years have flowed from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent. And the American people say, ‘No, that’s not right.’ ” -Bernie the millionaire

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    You went from "take issue with" to "angry" to "upset" to "blew a gasket".

    Your need to insert drama where none exists tells me you don't really have anything else to offer.

    “Is it right that the middle class continues to disappear while there has been a massive transfer of wealth from working families to the top one-tenth of 1 percent? Trillions of dollars in the last 30 years have flowed from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent. And the American people say, ‘No, that’s not right.’ ” -Bernie the millionaire
    they're functionally the same in the context of the conversation

    and yes, bernie the millionaire wants to drastically increase taxes on millionaires to pay for things like education and healthcare. thats not the same as having the state take over all industry/business ergo pure socialism

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    Agree about not researching, but not about listening to Bernie and deciding based on his position. I don't think they'll look at him at all outside of maybe a debate.
    we agree again

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    Do you have a problem with people keeping proceeds of their book sales?
    they're functionally the same in the context of the conversation

    and yes, bernie the millionaire wants to drastically increase taxes on millionaires to pay for things like education and healthcare. thats not the same as having the state take over all industry/business ergo pure socialism
    You're the one who asked if anyone had a problem with it. You could have used "Has anyone blown a gasket over it" or "is anyone angry about it" or "is anyone upset about it" but you didn't. If it's all the same, why do you keep ratcheting up the drama? Do you need to paint your opponent as out of control just to try to make a point?

    Bernie is a hypocrite. What's hard to understand about someone who spent their life ing about millionaires then they become one?

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    You're the one who asked if anyone had a problem with it. You could have used "Has anyone blown a gasket over it" or "is anyone angry about it" or "is anyone upset about it" but you didn't. If it's all the same, why do you keep ratcheting up the drama? Do you need to paint your opponent as out of control just to try to make a point?

    Bernie is a hypocrite. What's hard to understand about someone who spent their life ing about millionaires then they become one?
    my point was there irrespective of how i categorized it. you said you had a problem with it. whether i left it or that, called it anger, or blowing a gasket, or whatever doesnt change the underlying point that he has never called for pure socialism and that none of his policy positions contradict his ability to make money off his book

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    You're the one who asked if anyone had a problem with it. You could have used "Has anyone blown a gasket over it" or "is anyone angry about it" or "is anyone upset about it" but you didn't. If it's all the same, why do you keep ratcheting up the drama? Do you need to paint your opponent as out of control just to try to make a point?

    Bernie is a hypocrite. What's hard to understand about someone who spent their life ing about millionaires then they become one?
    If he's willing to tax himself like the other millionaires I don't see that big a problem there tbh. Can invoke FDR.

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    Bernie's not being an actual member of the Democratic party is an issue and has been before.

    I've said this.

    The average voter isn't going to even do your lazy research into terms that barely mean anything in US politics. They'll look at Bernie's positions, listen to his words and see if they like them. Especially his call for a government takeover of the publishing industry you insist he must be advocating.
    They won't look at his position. They'll hear "socialist" and assume to know his position. We're talking about the average voter (much like the average poster here)

    Differentiate "look at his position" from "listen to his words" in a way that doesn't include research.

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    They won't look at his position. They'll hear "socialist" and assume to know his position. We're talking about the average voter (much like the average poster here)

    Differentiate "look at his position" from "listen to his words" in a way that doesn't include research.
    you haven't shown to be much different from the average voter in that regard

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    They won't look at his position. They'll hear "socialist" and assume to know his position. We're talking about the average voter (much like the average poster here)

    Differentiate "look at his position" from "listen to his words" in a way that doesn't include research.
    Don't need to. Both can be done taking in a debate or a political ad.

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    you haven't shown to be much different from the average voter in that regard
    Again, how would you know? You can answer that (2nd time I asked) or cherry pick Chump's post to jump in on.

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    Again, how would you know? You can answer that (2nd time I asked) or cherry pick Chump's post to jump in on.
    i wasn't aware those posts were private messages to chump

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