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    Socialist relying on capitalism? Ya I have a problem with it.
    here's your first post on the subject which shows you just hear socialism and assume his policies

    you assumed he is against the idea of profiting off private enterprises because SOCIALIST. if you actually knew his positions instead of just hearing "socialist" and assuming the rest, you wouldn't find any issue with him benefitting from capitalism

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    Man, DMC's reaction was exactly that of the average voter, according to him.

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    Don't need to. Both can be done taking in a debate or a political ad.
    My point is that the "socialist" handle isn't a bonus for Bernie. It still invokes negative connotations outside the academia and urban professional settings, especially with whites.

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    here's your first post on the subject which shows you just hear socialism and assume his policies

    you assumed he is against the idea of profiting off private enterprises because SOCIALIST. if you actually knew his positions instead of just hearing "socialist" and assuming the rest, you wouldn't find any issue with him benefitting from capitalism
    Where did I blow the gasket or become angry or upset? You're changing the subject. I used the same words you used - for a reason.

    I am not the only one who would assume his policies since he self identifies as a socialist. It's his choice to do so and his history from the start has been socialism.

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    My point is that the "socialist" handle isn't a bonus for Bernie. It still invokes negative connotations outside the academia and urban professional settings, especially with whites.
    No one argued it doesn't, and that has nothing to do with the Democratic Socialist/Social Democrat discussion.

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    Where did I blow the gasket or become angry or upset? You're changing the subject. I used the same words you used - for a reason.
    my point was there irrespective of how i categorized it. you said you had a problem with it. whether i left it or that, called it anger, or blowing a gasket, or whatever doesnt change the underlying point that he has never called for pure socialism and that none of his policy positions contradict his ability to make money off his book
    I am not the only one who would assume his policies since he self identifies as a socialist. It's his choice to do so and his history from the start has been socialism.
    i didnt say you're the only one. in fact i literally said you aren't very different from the average voters you were just talking about

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    No one argued it doesn't, and that has nothing to do with the Democratic Socialist/Social Democrat discussion.
    "Sanders is not a typical socialist. Sure, he believes in a highly regulated and heavily taxed private enterprise, but he does not seem to want the state to own banks and make cars. Considering the negative connotations of “socialism” in America, it is a bit of a puzzle why Sanders insists on using that word. It would be much less contentious and more correct if he gave his worldview its proper name: not “democratic socialism,” which implies socialism brought about through a vote, but social democracy." -The Atlantic

    So yes, it does.

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    i didnt say you're the only one. in fact i literally said you aren't very different from the average voters you were just talking about

    How do you know anything about my voting or research?

    Simple answer is you don't. Now keep up.

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    literally addressing your post directly is a red herring?

    for s sake

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    "Sanders is not a typical socialist. Sure, he believes in a highly regulated and heavily taxed private enterprise, but he does not seem to want the state to own banks and make cars. Considering the negative connotations of “socialism” in America, it is a bit of a puzzle why Sanders insists on using that word. It would be much less contentious and more correct if he gave his worldview its proper name: not “democratic socialism,” which implies socialism brought about through a vote, but social democracy." -The Atlantic

    So yes, it does.


    No, it doesn't. You proved it. Your whole argument was that Bernie is actually a Social Democrat who calls himself a Democratic Socialist. If he did declare himself a Social Democrat he still wouldn't be in the Democratic Party and still would have the socialist label.

    Nothing would change.

    "Not a typical socialist" is still a socialist.

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    - bernie is a socialist!

    i show that he isn't actually a socialist because he's not trying to have the state control all industry

    - but bernie calls himself a socialist!

    and yet that doesnt invalidate the 2nd line of this post...


    No, it doesn't. You proved it. Your whole argument was that Bernie is actually a Social Democrat who calls himself a Democratic Socialist. If he did declare himself a Social Democrat he still wouldn't be in the Democratic Party and still would have the socialist label.

    Nothing would change.

    "Not a typical socialist" is still a socialist.
    Sounds like you two need to have a pow wow.

    He won't have a chance as a socialist.

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    Sounds like you two need to have a pow wow.

    He won't have a chance as a socialist.
    Again, you're building a straw man. We were never arguing about his chances in a general election.

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    Again, you're building a straw man. We were never arguing about his chances in a general election.
    If capitalism is so bad, why does Bernie accepts its fruits?

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    Another strawman

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    Back to square one

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    No it's not.

    See how that works, we are now at an impasse. You still haven't responded to how you know anything about what I research. You just feel obliged to interject when I wasn't talking to you.

    ST Avengers

    At least Chumpy is trying to have a discussion.

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    Bernie was hot tubbing in Russia while they were shooting people trying to escape over the Berlin wall.

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    No it's not.

    See how that works, we are now at an impasse. You still haven't responded to how you know anything about what I research. You just feel obliged to interject when I wasn't talking to you.

    ST Avengers

    At least Chumpy is trying to have a discussion.
    The premise that “capitalism is bad” is a strawman

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    If capitalism is so bad, why does Bernie accepts its fruits?
    Once again, you have built an all-or-nothing straw man. You think he's a hypocrite because you think he wants the government to control the publishing industry.

    It's cute that you keep trying, but there's nothing to your argument.

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    The premise that “capitalism is bad” is a strawman
    You're splitting hairs. Let me save some time. I'm going to show you a quote from Bernie where he bashes the effects of capitalism and you're going to say that's not saying capitalism is bad, and point out the negative effects are caused by abuse of capitalism, not capitalism itself.

    So to skip that, Bernie isn't a capitalist. Quite the opposite. Bernie's seemed approach is "my wealth good, your wealth bad". His comments about how he made money on his books, and won't feel bad about it could be used by anyone who's made even billions. Does Bernie have a stopping point, like if he made 200 million from book sales would that still be ok?

    So yeah. What I said. Strawman that.

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    I guess you can point out where he says he wants government to control all business.

    That will help.

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    Once again, you have built an all-or-nothing straw man. You think he's a hypocrite because you think he wants the government to control the publishing industry.

    It's cute that you keep trying, but there's nothing to your argument.
    You're cherry picking the publishing industry because that's where Bernie made his money. How about the Newhouse family who made billions from publishing newspapers and magazines? Are they exempt from Bernie's wrath? Where's the cutoff? J.K Rowling is a billionaire because she wrote some books that someone wanted to buy. Is she exempt?

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    You're cherry picking the publishing industry because that's where Bernie made his money. How about the Newhouse family who made billions from publishing newspapers and magazines? Are they exempt from Bernie's wrath? Where's the cutoff?
    You tell us.

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    Bernie Sanders harshly criticized the wealth of US senators during his first campaign for office in 1971, calling it "immoral" that half the members of the Senate were millionaires.

    So is Bernie now immoral?

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    Bernie Sanders harshly criticized the wealth of US senators during his first campaign for office in 1971, calling it "immoral" that half the members of the Senate were millionaires.

    So is Bernie now immoral?
    Ask him.

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