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    oh for sure. if somebody is saying bernie's plans are unrealistic because of the political reality of the senate, i'm with you. but DMC's critique (and tbh, what i hear more often than not) is that his ideas are unrealistic in that there is no real way to implement them, as if free college and healthcare is some bizarre pie in the sky theories that cant actually work
    That's exactly what it is. It's all pie in the sky. What makes you think free healthcare and free college would work? How many people do you know who work in healthcare who would work for the federal government or want to be tied to some low payment option where they see a thousand patients a week for a tenth of the price they get now? What about free legal? Do you want to work for a government salary?

    I mean your buddy there talks about how expensive his services are , what if his services were free to everyone and he just got a base salary from the federal government? How much would you want him representing you?

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    Bernie isn't a Democrat.
    What is he?

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    You're going to get argument no matter what you say he is. He claims to be a Democratic Socialist. Others claim him to be a social Democrat. It's funny how people keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

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    You're going to get argument no matter what you say he is. He claims to be a Democratic Socialist. Others claim him to be a social Democrat. It's funny how people keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
    Chump trying to wash his hands and disown Bernie is pretty funny

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    low information Qhris

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    You're going to get argument no matter what you say he is. He claims to be a Democratic Socialist. Others claim him to be a social Democrat. It's funny how people keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
    It's funny how no one has ignored it at all yet you keep trying to take on det straw man.

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    Democratic (2015–2016; 2019–present)[1]
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    conveniently switching to dem when he decided to run, switches back in between 2017-2019 and is back to being a democrat.

    That is what chump means.

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    That's exactly what it is. It's all pie in the sky. What makes you think free healthcare and free college would work? How many people do you know who work in healthcare who would work for the federal government or want to be tied to some low payment option where they see a thousand patients a week for a tenth of the price they get now? What about free legal? Do you want to work for a government salary?

    I mean your buddy there talks about how expensive his services are , what if his services were free to everyone and he just got a base salary from the federal government? How much would you want him representing you?
    I mean, people enroll in the military knowing they could die in combat all for a chance at a better life.

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    That's exactly what it is. It's all pie in the sky. What makes you think free healthcare and free college would work? How many people do you know who work in healthcare who would work for the federal government or want to be tied to some low payment option where they see a thousand patients a week for a tenth of the price they get now? What about free legal? Do you want to work for a government salary?

    I mean your buddy there talks about how expensive his services are , what if his services were free to everyone and he just got a base salary from the federal government? How much would you want him representing you?
    other countries have free college and government provided healthcare and it works for them. not system is without flaws, but we see those in effect and those countries have much lower per capita cost for healthcare than we do. the fact that its been done elsewhere successfully is where i get the basis that it would work

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    Yup. You can crackdown on establishment politicians by not allowing them to establish themselves. Term limits should be imposed on all Federal offices.
    Lol Pelosi/Schumer are the only thing holding this party together. Progressives would take over and try to get a majority by running socialists in purple and red states. Then we would be spending the next 15-20 years going "Well we know socialists can win in West Virginia and Montana but we just haven't found the actual right socialist yet" before realizing that having a broad coalition and making incremental gains is the way to go

    Also AOC would get recked hardcore by Schumer if she tried to primary him. I don't think even she is stupid enough to do that

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    Lol Pelosi/Schumer are the only thing holding this party together.

    Also AOC would get recked hardcore by Schumer if she tried to primary him. I don't think even she is stupid enough to do that
    you are delusional

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    I wrote a poem or maybe it's a rap song for Bernie

    Don't call him Ernie
    cuz he ain't no muppet
    stick his hand in yo ass
    and treat you like a puppet

    Sanders in da house (ooooohhhh oohhhhh)
    mother in Sanders in da house (yeahhhhh)

    His name is Sanders
    But he ain't no colonel
    He's da candidate
    springin' hopes eternal

    Bernie in da house (oooooohhh ohhhh)
    Skeet skeet skeet (boiiiiiiii)

    That's all I have right now

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    Which part?

    AOC has a small coalition right now. No way can she win a state wide senate race right now.

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    Bernie Ad Invokes Legacy Of JFK, MLK & FDR

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    Which part?

    AOC has a small coalition right now. No way can she win a state wide senate race right now.
    Someone here posted last week how Crowley destroyed her among blacks and Latinos in the primaries and there's large blocks of moderates in those groups there not to mention what would happen to her upstate. Heck despite Berners' constant gaslighting Biden also leads among Hispanics Did you know that?

    This page is good for cutting through the bull . He is also tied for the lead among white, and leads 52-13 in blacks. If you click on biden's face and go to his page he also leads among people who make less $50k too has a big lead among women lol. Broadest coalition my ass

    https://projects.economist.com/democ...rimaries-2020/

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    That's exactly what it is. It's all pie in the sky. What makes you think free healthcare and free college would work? How many people do you know who work in healthcare who would work for the federal government or want to be tied to some low payment option where they see a thousand patients a week for a tenth of the price they get now? What about free legal? Do you want to work for a government salary?

    I mean your buddy there talks about how expensive his services are , what if his services were free to everyone and he just got a base salary from the federal government? How much would you want him representing you?
    True. There's a network of over 35k Doctors that refused to allow the insurance companies to essentially run their practices. They refuse to accept most insurances and pick and choose which patients they decide to see and run their practices essentially on a cash basis.

    Nobody goes to school for years to make less or be told how to run their practice. Government regulation to dramatically lower the costs of medical supplies and devices that are price gouged is the logical, simple and cheapest way to go, but Congress loves their lobbyists, so we'll keep on hoping and arguing over a legitimate solution for a 1st world country that is 3x larger than the next largest 1st world country.

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    Lip service. Just like when Bernie did a few half assed rallies for her. I'd tell her to shut the up but she's a private citizen and can say whatever her irrelevant ass wants to say.

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    I mean, people enroll in the military knowing they could die in combat all for a chance at a better life.
    Rarely after 6 years or more of college. They also don't "enroll", they enlist.

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    other countries have free college and government provided healthcare and it works for them. not system is without flaws, but we see those in effect and those countries have much lower per capita cost for healthcare than we do. the fact that its been done elsewhere successfully is where i get the basis that it would work
    Where?

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    He's what Europeans would call a social democrat.

    To European socialists, that's a dirty word. It signifies the bourgeois counter-revolutionary bargain with capitalism that leaves it fully intact, but adds a robust safety net and gives labor a seat at the master's table.

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    Damn, you're lazy

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    It's funny how no one has ignored it at all yet you keep trying to take on det straw man.
    Really? You insisting Bernie isn't a democrat. Bernie on the Dem ticket. You insisting Bernie isn't a socialist, but Bernie says he's a democratic socialist. No one wants to claim Bernie (except AaronY).

    The socialist things scares the left more than the right. The right uses it as a weapon, but the left winces anytime Bernie or that big eyed psycho AOC mentions the word. It's almost as toxic as "take ur guns".

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