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    No she does not when she was the last Democratic standard-bearer, cheated and on top of that lost in an embarrassing fashion. She's completely out of touch, and as somebody being a prominent face of a party, she does damage whenever she continually says dumb things instead of owning up she was a terrible, unlikeable candidate.

    And because her ego will never allow her to admit to that, she just needs to shut the up. Stop talking for the people she does NOT represent.
    She doesn’t represent me or anyone else other than her family for that matter.

    Im talking in a general sense and a human level. If she’s alive, she has some type of right. Some of you people like to act like the very thing you rail against which makes you worst than a hypocrite.

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    She doesn’t represent me or anyone else other than her family for that matter.

    Im talking in a general sense and a human level. If she’s alive, she has some type of right. Some of you people like to act like the very thing you rail against which makes you worst than a hypocrite.
    But she isn't talking about her family. She's still talking pla udes about politics specifically. She still think she's a voice to be heard, some sort of inspirational figure. And unfortunately her voice still carry some weight in the political spectrum.

    She's like that old ass boxer that got his ass kicked and is still taunting the opponent after the fight. You need to know when your time is up, and what's best for your team. What's best for her team is that she shuts the up about politics and disappears.

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    How many patients had to 'wait for necessary medical treatments' in the the US because they can't afford healthcare at all? How much it costs in emergency room visits?

    The US has had defacto rationing forever, it's just masqueraded behind economic have and have nots.
    LeNono comes out of nowhere for the chase down block tbh

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    He's what Europeans would call a social democrat.

    To European socialists, that's a dirty word. It signifies the bourgeois counter-revolutionary bargain with capitalism that leaves it fully intact, but adds a robust safety net and gives labor a seat at the master's table.
    Is social democrat aka independent (?) because Chumpdumper was making that claim. I appreciate an honest answer for once.

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    But she isn't talking about her family. She's still talking pla udes about politics specifically. She still think she's a voice to be heard, some sort of inspirational figure. And unfortunately her voice still carry some weight in the political spectrum.

    She's like that old ass boxer that got his ass kicked and is still taunting the opponent after the fight. You need to know when your time is up, and what's best for your team. What's best for her team is that she shuts the up about politics and disappears.
    Tbh she beat Bernie very handily and polls show she would have done so again if she ran against him this year. so this idea Bernie himself beat her somehow is silly progressive propaganda and i say this as someone who is probably progressive

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    True. There's a network of over 35k
    Imma stop you right there and tell you there are over a million doctors in the US.

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    Is social democrat aka independent (?) because Chumpdumper was making that claim. I appreciate an honest answer for once.
    He's been independent because he's called himself independent for 40 years.

    how ignorant are you, Qhris?

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    Just got my company's 2020 rate increase from humana...up 16% starting at renewal. I still pay 100% of premium for employee and family...family is almost $2000 a month.

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    Tbh she beat Bernie very handily and polls show she would have done so again if she ran against him this year. so this idea Bernie himself beat her somehow is silly progressive propaganda and i say this as someone who is probably progressive
    What I meant by cheating isn't that she beat bernie unfiarly, but that we know she got debate questions in advance, etc. She had the deck stacked, and still couldn't pull off, because she sucks.

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    agreed.

    i think having 2/3 of bk's being tied to medical costs is a huge flaw in any system. i think deductibles that prevent people from seeking care is a huge flaw. i think inflated costs resulting from the insurance companies' need to make exorbitant profits is a huge flaw. so are long wait times.

    but i would say the system that leaves tens of millions of people uninsured, even more people underinsured with deductibles they cant afford, and one where we pay substantially more for the same services per capita than just about any other developed country is one that needs to be overhauled, not just tweaked

    average premiums and deductibles are still rising year by year. the current administration's only solution so far has been to remove the mandate penalty. so basically the solution is that if health insurance is too expensive just dont buy it. brilliant.
    What about high cost of legal representation? Sure, you can go with a public defender but the more wealthy get seasoned trial lawyers thus an imbalanced outcome vs the lower income population. Do you want the federal government to run that? So anyone can get legal representation, Universal Legal Representation paid for by taxpayer money. Are you willing to cap out at at GS 13?

    These people you talk about still get medical care. There's a reason immigrants flood the borders, especially pregnant women, so they can take advantage of the free medical care in the US. Sure it costs taxpayers, but so would the universal HC you're talking about. The difference is the level of care when your doctor isn't tasked with 200 patients a week. Being broke should not be a viable method of survival.

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    How many patients had to 'wait for necessary medical treatments' in the the US because they can't afford healthcare at all? How much it costs in emergency room visits?

    The US has had defacto rationing forever, it's just masqueraded behind economic have and have nots.
    Same with all aspects of life. Defacto rationing for college, for food, for housing, for lifestyle.. because people want to be paid for the work they do. It's why we don't just settle for minimum wage jobs. About 250K Canadians come to the US yearly to seek better, more timely healthcare. This is after they've paid those taxes for the universal breadline version.

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    Is social democrat aka independent (?) because Chumpdumper was making that claim. I appreciate an honest answer for once.
    He's a DSA member who caucuses with Democrats. Technically I believe that does make him an (I).

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    you cant be kicked off your healthcare under a medicare for all system. if you stop paying your gardener, he'll stop showing up.


    what is the "free legal" angle?
    You work for reduced rates and have a waiting list of "clients". How many low income earners cannot afford good legal representation? Why should the wealthy have better legal representation? I say no one gets to pick their lawyer. They get taken from a pool of lawyers, all working for the government, so that no one buys better legal representation.

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    Just consider Bernie socialist and move on. The amount of mental gymnastics required to keep this clown off the socialist pedestal is amazing. It's sad anyone would even attempt to when the guy claims to be a democratic socialist.

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    Just glad she isn't running. It would be way better if she would just STFU.
    Despite pissing on the party homilies about the importance of unity, HRC could hardly do a better favor to Bernie right before the primaries start, than putting distance betwen her and him.

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    Just consider Bernie socialist and move on. The amount of mental gymnastics required to keep this clown off the socialist pedestal is amazing. It's sad anyone would even attempt to when the guy claims to be a democratic socialist.
    Social democracy isn't the same thing as socialism. The means of production don't get socialized. That's a big difference.

    Pretending Bernie Sanders and the Squad are straight up Marxists is glib and wildly inaccurate. They're social democrats.

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    The GND as propounded by AOC definitiely partakes of socialism and central economic steering, but OTOH, so does national defense.

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    In the 2008-9 economic crash, bank losses were socialized, and profits were subsidized -- they still are, in fact.

    Does that make bankers and TBTF non-banks, or the government that saved them, socialists?

    Not rhetorical.

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    Social democracy isn't the same thing as socialism. The means of production don't get socialized. That's a big difference.

    Pretending Bernie Sanders and the Squad are straight up Marxists is glib and wildly inaccurate. They're social democrats.
    Mental gymnastics. The right certainly doesn't get those considerations.

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    Imma stop you right there and tell you there are over a million doctors in the US.
    And? You think there could be no shortage of Doctors, let alone quality doctors, based on the premise of DMC's post?

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    Mental gymnastics. The right certainly doesn't get those considerations.
    No one here has denied Bernie will be painted as a socialist with no qualifiers.

    You can stop acting like people are arguing against that.

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    And? You think there could be no shortage of Doctors, let alone quality doctors, based on the premise of DMC's post?
    Dunno. Willing to find out what happens when the s game is ended.

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    "GND as propounded by AOC definitiely partakes of socialism and central economic steering"

    socialism?

    "central economic steering" has been done by all parties with the tax code, forever.

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    Mental gymnastics. The right certainly doesn't get those considerations.
    At some point smearing any and all Dems as socialists will cease to be an effective tactic, regardless how well it plays to the lumpentrumpetariat. There are signs this might already be the case.

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    Mental gymnastics. The right certainly doesn't get those considerations.
    I know the difference between a liberterian (classical liberal), neoconservative, paleoconservative, alt-light and alt-right. I don't strawman like you cuz I actually get off my left-wing echo chamber and hear all sides.

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