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There's no scarcity of resources in the richest country ever. There's only a scarcity of political will.
You no longer have to pay expensive health insurance premiums through your employer or worry about high deductibles and out of pocket expenses should you ever get a heart attack.
There's no scarcity of resources in the richest country ever. There's only a scarcity of political will.
the cost of your health coverage would likely go down, when factoring all the elements to it... premiums, deductibles, copays
Bumper stickers and fortune cookies... and you.
Non-sequiturs and nonsense...and you.
As my taxes double. End result is I bring home less money for worse medical coverage than I have now, meanwhile the "free all you can eat" sign at the porous border you're not as concerned about attracts even more illegals.
I thought the ACA was supposed to fix everything.
of course i do.
right now we live on a single income while trying to manage my student loans + her tuition. we also pay thousands annually for health coverage for the two of us. but thanks for the lecture.
the notion that it will be worse for us when she's a doctor is laughable. even if taxes are higher, our household income would still be much larger than it is now. the time when higher taxes would have the most strain on us is now.
useless snarkyou can give all your money to the poor. She can provide free medical care while you provide free legal advice and representation.
So you'd end up with more money in your pocket with the single payer system?
Of course it's useless snark, you ain't giving away. People my age worked their asses off, have been through your situation without crying for the older generation to bail us out.
"We want our loans forgiven!"
"We want free healthcare!"
"We want to live with parents until age 26!"
How so?
Walk us through it.
How does immigration statis nullify the value of work done in this country?
Isn't labor arbitrage good for business ?
replace your premium/dedictibles/copays with the taxes. overall cost will drop because you have cheaper administrative overhead and no insurance middleman who requires billions in profits, in addition to a single payer system having negotiating leverage for cost of services and, more importantly, drugs
the ACA was weak and has been criticized on this board for that reason. it made some improvements (coverage guaranteed for people with pre-existing conditions, increasing age during which kids can be covered under parents' plan, and expansion to medicaid. but it wasnt a system overhaul. didnt do much of anything to address the cost of care.I thought the ACA was supposed to fix everything.
yes. that's the point. the tax increase i'd see would be trumped by my eliminated premiums alone, let alone deductibles/copays.
either way you slice, right now and the next several years are probably going to be the toughest on us, financially. for the last couple of years we had 2 incomes and no tuition to pay, just loan payments and cost of living. now we are on one less income + are dealing with substantial tuition. if there was ever a time where i had skin in the game, its now.
later when we are on two incomes (with her's likely be larger than mine), taxes could be raised by 20% on us and we'd still have a much more comfortable standard of living and more discretionary income than we do now
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https://newrepublic.com/article/1228...ollege-tuitionIn 1979, it took a student working at minimum wage ($2.90 per hour) 385.5 hours to pay off one year of the average college tuition. If a student worked a full-time job (40 hours a week) for an entire summer, he or she would have worked 480 hours.
Today, it takes 2,229 hours working at the federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) to pay off one year of the average college tuition.
despite having to walk uphill both ways in the snow, it was easier
not free, taxpayer funded. but would be cheaper on average. im sorry your generation didnt want to do anything to fix a ty, overpriced, for-profit healthcare system."We want free healthcare!"
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Higher taxes
Bernie likes to point out the Scandinavian model -- places like Sweden have super high tax rates.
So it's not about healthcare for all. It's about more money for SR21 during this phase in the planned dynasty. At my phase in my own dynasty, it would be less money in my pocket, so no thanks. Again, I am not interested in donating money to the "Save the world" pipe dream of porous borders and infinite en lements.
replace your premium/dedictibles/copays with the taxes. overall cost will drop because you have cheaper administrative overhead and no insurance middleman who requires billions in profits, in addition to a single payer system having negotiating leverage for cost of services and, more importantly, drugs
the ACA was weak and has been criticized on this board for that reason. it made some improvements (coverage guaranteed for people with pre-existing conditions, increasing age during which kids can be covered under parents' plan, and expansion to medicaid. but it wasnt a system overhaul. didnt do much of anything to address the cost of care.
yes. that's the point. the tax increase i'd see would be trumped by my eliminated premiums alone, let alone deductibles/copays.
either way you slice, right now and the next several years are probably going to be the toughest on us, financially. for the last couple of years we had 2 incomes and no tuition to pay, just loan payments and cost of living. now we are on one less income + are dealing with substantial tuition. if there was ever a time where i had skin in the game, its now.
later when we are on two incomes (with her's likely be larger than mine), taxes could be raised by 20% on us and we'd still have a much more comfortable standard of living and more discretionary income than we do now
There's always something off bubble just a bit with these folks. If you boil it down what you find is that they want the system tailored to suit them personally, in the current situation they are in. There's nothing wrong with that, that's what I want too, but they pretend it's about community. This is why they don't want to shore up the borders and population control prior to opening the free for all doors.
its entirely about healthcare
muh emotional narrativesIt's about more money for SR21 during this phase in the planned dynasty
its about having a smarter system that reduces cost as a whole. why are we paying twice per capita compared to other developed countries for the same health care? its a moronic system that also leaves millions uncovered or underinsured with deductibles that prevent them from seeking needed care
how do you know. you've run the numbers?At my phase in my own dynasty, it would be less money in my pocket, so no thanks.
and i have no problem with our laws and taxes in place being designed to benefit the masses. people who are very well off and have loads of disposable income shouldnt be the ones the system is designed to help or benefit. thats a position that i'd be glad to be in... being so successful that i can enjoy a comfortable standard of living even if i'm paying a higher share of taxes than others
such a scary thought... "one day you might make so much money that your taxes will go up"
det strawman againAgain, I am not interested in donating money to the "Save the world" pipe dream of porous borders and infinite en lements.
of course, after all the discourse about the actual policies, you try to make it about me personally
Your stance is about your personal situation. My stance is about mine. Pretending otherwise is silly.
When you get into a situation where you would be more of a giver than a receiver (no ) we can revisit, if you still think ST is good enough for you.its entirely about healthcare
muh emotional narratives
its about having a smarter system that reduces cost as a whole. why are we paying twice per capita compared to other developed countries for the same health care? its a moronic system that also leaves millions uncovered or underinsured with deductibles that prevent them from seeking needed care
how do you know. you've run the numbers?
and i have no problem with our laws and taxes in place being designed to benefit the masses. people who are very well off and have loads of disposable income shouldnt be the ones the system is designed to help or benefit. thats a position that i'd be glad to be in... being so successful that i can enjoy a comfortable standard of living even if i'm paying a higher share of taxes than others
det strawman again
no, but you can tell yourself that if it helps you sleep at night
Would you be cool with 70% marginal over 100K?
discussion about national policy becomes one only about me
nah. i dont know anybody who would be. im not for tax hikes just for the sake of tax hikes. what's the purpose behind it? where is the funding supposed to go?
why do you have to go to such an extreme? i mean AOC is the radical socialist and she spitballed about having 70% marginal over 10 mil. you are dropping that to 100k, an amount smaller by a factor of 100
It was a joke.
discussion about national policy becomes one only about me
Get over yourself
nah. i dont know anybody who would be. im not for tax hikes just for the sake of tax hikes. what's the purpose behind it? where is the funding supposed to go?
why do you have to go to such an extreme? i mean AOC is the radical socialist and she spitballed about having 70% marginal over 10 mil. you are dropping that to 100k, an amount smaller by a factor of 100
That's what Sweden does to pay for all their "free" stuff.
Because there aren't enough millionaires and billionaires.
At least Bernie was honest enough to admit taxes would go up on middle class. Warren evades that question.
good for sweden.
but look at what that provides, its not just healthcare.
elderly care/retirement homes, child support for children up to 16, 480 days of paid parental leave, free daycare for kids under 7, greater disability benefits than we have here, no tuition for colleges or even grad schools.
my wife was born in sweden and moved to the states during her childhood. soon after was diagnosed with hodgkins, and sweden paid for all her care/treatment here in the states. dont even want to know how much it would have cost her fam out of pocket
a) yeah, i mentioned this a few different times as a criticism of warrenAt least Bernie was honest enough to admit taxes would go up on middle class. Warren evades that question.
b) but ultimately warren released her funding plan which basically was a much more aggressive tax on the wealthy and employers and didnt actually raise taxes on the middle class, but tbh i dont think its as realistic a plan
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