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    So you think Bernie's publisher is owned and regulated by the community? Do tell, Adam. See if you can muster that without sending up the Avengers SOS beacon
    You are equating socialism with the most extreme forms of communism. There is not a single socialist in America who thinks all book publishing should be controlled by the state and that writers are not en led to earnings.

    This is what stupid people do when they can't argue like a moderately intelligent person. Perhaps you have been relating too much to your Avenger squad with koriwhat.

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    DMC has sunk so far into the depths of Trump ation that he's developed a fever dream fantasy that everyone calling him an idiot us the result of a bunch of people coordinating attacks on him. What a sad ing loser.

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    You are equating socialism with the most extreme forms of communism. There is not a single socialist in America who thinks all book publishing should be controlled by the state and that writers are not en led to earnings.

    This is what stupid people do when they can't argue like a moderately intelligent person. Perhaps you have been relating too much to your Avenger squad with koriwhat.
    Is Bernie using capitalism to profit off of his book sales? Yes or no.

    "fever dream fantasy" from a theist.

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    You don't know what socialism is.
    Yup. To these people socialism = communism similar to the way liberals think that anyone who is against open borders is a nazi and racist.

    To these people everything is black white. You have to choose one or the other. You cannot have the best of both worlds (Social Democracy).

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    Pretty sure The Great got doesn't know about socialism or communism, too focused on da jooz

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    Socialist relying on capitalism? Ya I have a problem with it.
    Except Bernie isn’t seeking to eliminate capitalism

    he isn’t trying to have the state take control of all markets

    he happens to think healthcare should be among the areas where the state controls the market though, along with police, fire departments, etc

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    Except Bernie isn’t seeking to eliminate capitalism

    he isn’t trying to have the state take control of all markets

    he happens to think healthcare should be among the areas where the state controls the market though, along with police, fire departments, etc
    Yet he is a socialist. Does he not advocate for a socially owned economy? Does he not self identify as a democratic socialist?

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    Is Bernie using capitalism to profit off of his book sales? Yes or no.
    Yes. And it doesn't contradict his socialism. As I explained in the post you ignored completely, which is what I would probably do too if I didn't understand socialism vs. communism.

    lol "fever dream fantasy" from a theist.
    You are obsessed with me and it's officially creepy now.
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    Socialism is the most meaningless term ever now thanks to dem socialists and republicans. All the Scandinivian countries US socialists point to as socialist have their leaders saying over and over and over again that they are not socialist. Meanwhile Republicans call any plan to help workers or raise taxes 2% socialist.

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    Anyways lol


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    Yet he is a socialist. Does he not advocate for a socially owned economy? Does he not self identify as a democratic socialist?
    What do you think this means?

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    What do you think this means?
    You answered none of my questions. Why are you trying to take this in a different direction?

    Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic ins utions within market socialism, or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.

    Market socialism is a type of economic system involving the public, cooperative or social ownership of the means of production in the framework of a market economy

    A market economy is a system where the laws of supply and demand direct the production of goods and services. Supply includes natural resources, capital, and labor. Demand includes purchases by consumers, businesses, and the government. Businesses sell their wares at the highest price consumers will pay.

    These are Wiki descriptions. Do you agree or does Bernie get a customized definition?

    Bernie is a millionaire not because of any socially owned means of production. He's a millionaire because a privately owned business that paid him. Instead of focusing on what I said, you instead go right for the "you're not an intellectual like me so you wouldn't know" angle, which is a cop out.

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    You answered none of my questions. Why are you trying to take this in a different direction?

    Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic ins utions within market socialism, or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.

    Market socialism is a type of economic system involving the public, cooperative or social ownership of the means of production in the framework of a market economy

    These are Wiki descriptions. Do you agree or does Bernie get a customized definition?
    If we are sticking to that rigid definition then it’s an inaccurate description of what Sanders stands for.

    Now look up Social Democracy on wiki and that’s a much better description of what he advocates for.

    However you want to slice it, it’s lazy to just slap on a label and then assume he subscribes to every word of a paragraphs-long definition you found online. better approach is to actually learn the guys positions. He hadn’t called for the state to take over the market and to eliminate private businesses, property, etc. it’s just an absurd strawman

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    If we are sticking to that rigid definition than it’s an inaccurate description of what Sanders stands for.

    Now look up Social Democracy on wiki and that’s a much better description of what he advocates for
    The end goal is socialism. What's your point?

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    The end goal is socialism. What's your point?
    If we are sticking to that rigid definition then it’s an inaccurate description of what Sanders stands for.

    Now look up Social Democracy on wiki and that’s a much better description of what he advocates for.

    However you want to slice it, it’s lazy to just slap on a label and then assume he subscribes to every word of a paragraphs-long definition you found online. better approach is to actually learn the guys positions. He hadn’t called for the state to take over the market and to eliminate private businesses, property, etc. it’s just an absurd strawman
    I think you’re trolling on purpose tbh

    i said it’s a better description and then cautioned against the lazy approach. Naturally you found a single “bad” sentence in a long wiki article and pointed straight to that

    why do you insist on beating up strawman positions that sanders doesn’t hold?

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    So how many Neiman Marxists do we have here?

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    You answered none of my questions. Why are you trying to take this in a different direction?

    Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic ins utions within market socialism, or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.

    Market socialism is a type of economic system involving the public, cooperative or social ownership of the means of production in the framework of a market economy

    A market economy is a system where the laws of supply and demand direct the production of goods and services. Supply includes natural resources, capital, and labor. Demand includes purchases by consumers, businesses, and the government. Businesses sell their wares at the highest price consumers will pay.

    These are Wiki descriptions. Do you agree or does Bernie get a customized definition?

    Bernie is a millionaire not because of any socially owned means of production. He's a millionaire because a privately owned business that paid him. Instead of focusing on what I said, you instead go right for the "you're not an intellectual like me so you wouldn't know" angle, which is a cop out.
    If we are sticking to that rigid definition then it’s an inaccurate description of what Sanders stands for.

    Now look up Social Democracy on wiki and that’s a much better description of what he advocates for.

    However you want to slice it, it’s lazy to just slap on a label and then assume he subscribes to every word of a paragraphs-long definition you found online. better approach is to actually learn the guys positions. He hadn’t called for the state to take over the market and to eliminate private businesses, property, etc. it’s just an absurd strawman
    I think you’re trolling on purpose tbh

    i said it’s a better description and then cautioned against the lazy approach. Naturally you found a single “bad” sentence in a long wiki article and pointed straight to that
    You edited your post.

    Single bad sentence? How so?

    Social democracy originated as an ideology within the socialist and labour movement, whose goal at different times has been a social revolution to move away from capitalism to a post-capitalist economy such as socialism, a peaceful revolution as in evolutionary socialism, or the establishment and support of a welfare state. Its origins lie in the 1860s as a form of revolutionary socialism associated with orthodox Marxism.

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    Let me know when you're done editing.

    You agreed to the definition, then you asked me to look up another term, I did and you took issue with that as well. Now you say I created a strawman. I only posted definitions from Wiki. I didn't create anything.

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    Pretty sure The Great got doesn't know about socialism or communism, too focused on da jooz
    Democratic Socialism Vs Social Democracy

    Time for Bernie to Stop Calling Himself "Dem Socialist," Because He's Not


    If you wanna get off your echo chamber, these videos will clarify your strawman arguments. Or at the very least see things from a leftist perspective.

    Try to convince a brainwashed SJW that not every conservative is a racist or nazi. Good luck with that. That's like me trying to convince a brainwashed proud capitalist that not everyone on the left is a Marxist or communist.

    As I said before, not everything is black and white. I don't agree with every single aspect of capitalism just as I don't agree with every single aspect of socialism. We can have the best of both worlds. It's called social democracy as spurraider21 said.

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    See nobody knows what is lmao

    When Elizabeth Warren says "Wrong to call me a Socialist"

    https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/...ia-id524312450

    And Bernie calls himself a Socialist when they have 99% of the same views lol I mean c'mon how you expect the average person to know what the you're talking about

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    I just use socialist as a slur myself really

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    Surely Bernie knows enough about politics to know his own political ideology.

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    See nobody knows what is lmao

    When Elizabeth Warren says "Wrong to call me a Socialist"

    https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/...ia-id524312450

    And Bernie calls himself a Socialist when they have 99% of the same views lol I mean c'mon how you expect the average person to know what the you're talking about
    people get hung up on the labels just to attack. see DMC above. or all the OMG BERNIE = VENEZEULA

    in reality, everyone's politics lies on a spectrum. you dont have to be a pure capitalist or pure socialist... we have a capitalist system with some socialist systems built in already. sanders/warren want to have more ins utions become state controlled, namely healthcare.

    even those who call themselves strict capitalists arent going around trying to take away medicare, social security, fire departments, etc
    I just use socialist as a slur myself really
    yeah or that

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    people get hung up on the labels just to attack. see DMC above. or all the OMG BERNIE = VENEZEULA

    yeah or that
    Bernie labeled himself. Why are you distancing Bernie from Socialism?

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    Bernie labeled himself. Why are you distancing Bernie from Socialism?
    because i'm familiar with his policies.

    when i first asked you to define socialism, and you gave the definition of democratic socialism, that definition provided for a socially owned economy (ergo, no capitalism, no private ventures, etc). and yet if you look at what bernie is advocating for, that's not it.

    so he's not a pure socialist by the very definition you posted. he's just a lot closer to the socialist end of the spectrum that just about any other major politician in this country, so him calling himself a socialist is relative.

    i mean, if you look up a definition of capitalism, it will say that that industry and trade are controlled by the private sector, and not the state. and yet we know that is not an entirely accurate definition of the current US. so anybody who says they are a capitalist but dont want to abolish medicare, social security, minimum wages, etc is also being inaccurate if you are going to be nitpicky

    so if we're not capitalist, and we're not socialist, what are we? or you just stop being dense for a second and consider that we are somewhere on a spectrum.

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