hey guys why doesnt Saudi Arabia and other rich Gulf states take in Syrian refugees?

[baseline bum]

Let them in. You want islam to wither and die, let them realize how ed up their own countries are, and them drift away from their supers ions, just as most of the west is doing.

The difference between here and their own ed up countries is that here they get exposed to ideas and discussions that don't happen in most muslim countries.

That seems overly optimistic, and religion isn't dying in the US.

[RandomGuy]

Poland can barely sustain a flu attack. Euro just don't have the finances to fund any sort of decent defense. Except for Germany of course.

It's the US again spending the $ for defense systems.

The defence budget will increase by 18 per cent meaning that it will achieve Nato target of spending two per cent of GDP income on defence

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ligerence.html

Poland has responded to Russia's belligerence by raising its defence budget by 18 per cent, achieving the biggest increase in military spending of any country in Europe.
Haunted by memories of Soviet invasion, Poland is set to join the handful of Nato members who meet the alliance's target of investing at least two per cent of national income in defence.

Poles are very committed to self-reliance at this point, and deeply distrustful of Russia, for obvious reasons.

[RandomGuy]

That seems overly optimistic, and religion isn't dying in the US.

It might not seem like it, until you visit a lot of churches, and note the ages of the people attending.

There is a strong streak in the US, but it is fraying at the edges.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/a...ous-landscape/

[hater]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ligerence.html




Poles are very committed to self-reliance at this point, and deeply distrustful of Russia, for obvious reasons.

Russia could conquer Poland with their military band regiments

[RandomGuy]

Lmao Russian invasion. More misguided than your racial beliefs.

"misguided beliefs"

Oh the irony. I have rarely met someone so determined to see just what they want to see outside of Cosmored and his "faked moon landing conspiracy".

[RandomGuy]

Russia could conquer Poland with their military band regiments

Poland is fairly small, smaller than Germany. It is however, investing heavily in its military, as noted. Solid investments over a period of time, while Russia's industrial complex continues to whither will let that gap shrink markedly.

Small countries can punch above their weight, and Poland has both economic and demographic growth on their side, unlike Russia.

[hater]

Poland should invest in their higways. Worst highways in northern Europe. You feel like you have to go through an African country everytime you have to cross it

[DarrinS]

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany.

[hater]

owned

[RandomGuy]

Poland should invest in their higways. Worst highways in northern Europe. You feel like you have to go through an African country everytime you have to cross it

Despite the huge amounts of money spent on Polish roads over the past few years, the country’s high-speed road infrastructure is still patchy at best, although the new EU budget for 2014-2020 promises to change this

http://wbj.pl/polands-highway-overhaul/

Go back in a few years.

[RandomGuy]

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany.

Taking in refugees has costs — and potential benefits

The mass movement of tens of thousands of people in Europe is starting to fray the bonds of the European Union, as countries take different approaches to welcoming — or rejecting — migrants and refugees.

But this week, Germany offered to take half a million new migrants a year. The cost? More than $11 billion dollars a year.

The German media suggest the country isn't just motivated by doing the right thing. It’s a self-interested equation. In other words, the economic benefits of the taking in migrants and refugees may equal or even exceed the costs.

Germany figures each refugee will cost $14,000 a year to feed, house, teach and pay a monthly stipend.

In the long term, though, the country may well make that money back, largely because Syrian refugees tend to be skilled and young.

“Given how young they are, and how many years they are going to be working in the future, it is likely that over time that burden, that initial burden, is going to be paid back by their taxes and their contribution to the host economy,” says economist Carlos Vargas-Silva at Oxford University’s Centre on Migration Policy and Society.

There is evidence in research of a net economic gain, though there is an important caveat.

“The benefits won’t begin to amass until three, four or five years down the road,” says Demetrios Papademetriou, founder and president of the Migration Policy Ins ute’s European office.

Still, to get that economic return, a country has to invest — that is, settle refugees, give them asylum and train them.

“And once people sort of graduate from these programs, once those gaps in qualifications are filled, people should have an opportunity to go directly into the labor force,” Papademetriou says.

Germany’s labor force is aging and shrinking: from 45 million people today to about 36 million in just 15 years, assuming no immigration. In other words, it needs new workers, to fill offices and fund the country’s retirement system.

Much of Central and Southern Europe shares the same demographic projection, although taking in outsiders is a hard sell politically.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wo...ntial-benefits

From a free-market perspective, this is a no-brainer.

The only people who might object to this, tend to be the kinds of people who understand neither the moral dimension, nor the economic one.

If we were smart, we would open the doors for these people.

[RandomGuy]

How many Syrian families have been housed by spurstalk posters?

Fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

Also Known as: "You Too Fallacy"

Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.

It only matters if you are committed to making a logical fallacy.

Are you committed to flawed thinking?

[m>s]

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wo...ntial-benefits

From a free-market perspective, this is a no-brainer.

The only people who might object to this, tend to be the kinds of people who understand neither the moral dimension, nor the economic one.

If we were smart, we would open the doors for these people.

You're quoting a propaganda piece being used to sell genocide of an entire ethnicity of people. Aside from it being wrong (all Mohammad's aren't going to become doctors and lawyers) there is also something to be said about putting culture and the people Above capitalistic ambition. A great man once said, what kind of society are we if all that matters are our wages and loans? Some things transcend materialism and GDP isn't always the bottom line. We like our European iden y and it isn't for sale or up for negotiation.

[RandomGuy]

Ill just leave this right here

Good opportunity for critical thinking.

"because his father wanted new teeth"

Implied: The father wanted new teeth, so he risked the life of his children over something shallow like dentures.

First step in evaluating the video, is to ask what is the best evidence for determining why someone does something?

The best, and often only, way to determine why someone does something is first hand accounts. "I did this because X". This is why witness testimony in court is admitted. What is generally not admitted in court is someone else's speculation. "He did this because X" i.e. "hearsay"

In this case, the evidence presented is that the aunt, obviously distraught, at a press conference, starts talking about her nephew, the father of the boy in the picture.

She simply stated "he needed money for new teeth". She didn't even say that was the sole reason.

Given the torture, execution, indiscriminate bombing, and general breakdown of the country, one would be hard pressed to simply say, without talking to the man directly, what his ultimate motivation is.

It is quite possible that the man had more than one reason for fleeing with his family.

So basically, one has the word of the guy who wrote the le of a youtube video, based on testimony from a distraught, overwhelmed relative at a press conference.

I require a bit more evidence before determining why the man did it, and stating that with any degree of certainty.

That is critical thinking.

"what evidence is available, what is the best evidence, and is the conclusion supported by that evidence".

In this case, one has a modest amount of evidence, but certainly not conclusive. Unless of course you use confirmation bias.

Use that, and you can state it with some certainty, as long as you don't really care what is real or isn't real.

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

[RandomGuy]

You're quoting a propaganda piece being used to sell genocide of an entire ethnicity of people. Aside from it being wrong (all Mohammad's aren't going to become doctors and lawyers) there is also something to be said about putting culture and the people Above capitalistic ambition. A great man once said, what kind of society are we if all that matters are our wages and loans? Some things transcend materialism and GDP isn't always the bottom line. We like our European iden y and it isn't for sale or up for negotiation.

Meh. Change happens.

Blathering on about "iden y" when the long term genetic mix-up will shuffle the genes that you seem to think are important simply disperse through the human gene pool.

Worrying about something like mutations that limit melanin is short-sighted and stupid.

Time will not be kind to your "iden y". Boo-hoo all you want, it will vanish and start to do so within your lifetime.

It makes me all warm and fuzzy imagining you being old and disappointed.

[m>s]

>Muh race is simply melanin argument

you can do better

[RandomGuy]

so whats wrong with the current s in the usa if you allowed them to register for tax purposes and start contributing? its not like the black americans are any better then them...get rid of welfare

"Welfare" is mostly given to old people, children, and handicapped.

Don't take my word for it, look up the programs yourself.

I have no problem with citizenship for the people here now that are considered "illegal". Get them out of the shadows and into the regular economy. I want my social security paid for by them and their kids, thank you.

[m>s]

One cannot simply synthetically create a European with some genetic engineering Technology that doesn't actually exist and may never, we don't know.

being a European is genetic, cultural, spiritual, ideological. It's all of these things. You won't take our iden y from us and you're asking for a fight that you don't want in doing so. If Europe falls we are slamming the door shut so famn hard on our way out it'll make your head spin. And we will take the whole world with us.

[RandomGuy]

One cannot simply synthetically create a European with some genetic engineering Technology that doesn't actually exist and may never, we don't know.

being a European is genetic, cultural, spiritual, ideological. It's all of these things. You won't take our iden y from us and you're asking for a fight that you don't want in doing so. If Europe falls we are slamming the door shut so famn hard on our way out it'll make your head spin. And we will take the whole world with us.

No small part of "being European" is western liberalism and secularism. That has to sting.

[RandomGuy]

>Muh race is simply melanin argument

you can do better

I have studied history of language and European history, and done so by reading much in actual German books and historical do ents.

What you think of as "iden y" is simply the mixing of so many different cultures, languages and peoples and is simply the current state of that mixing.

Not really overly coherent, unless you think all germans wear lederhosen, and all french people berets.

Bet you didn't know "Martinez" and "Rodriguez" are both german surnames.

[m>s]

I have studied history of language and European history, and done so by reading much in actual German books and historical do ents.

What you think of as "iden y" is simply the mixing of so many different cultures, languages and peoples and is simply the current state of that mixing.

Not really overly coherent, unless you think all germans wear lederhosen, and all french people berets.

Bet you didn't know "Martinez" and "Rodriguez" are both german surnames.

I too have studied and cake to the conclusion that you are a shameless racial cuckold. I am not concerned with the mixing of similar European peoples, however Mohammed and Hakeem can gtfo. They add nothing of value and will destroy our race.

[RandomGuy]

I too have studied and cake to the conclusion that you are a shameless racial cuckold. I am not concerned with the mixing of similar European peoples, however Mohammed and Hakeem can gtfo. They add nothing of value and will destroy our race.

Translation:



Cake to all the conclusions you want, just let me know when you have anything new to say, Cosmored, er, m.

[m>s]

Translation:



Cake to all the conclusions you want, just let me know when you have anything new to say, Cosmored, er, m.

The only one who surrendered is you, on yourself and your people. I have nothing more to say to you, I wish you nothing but defeat and destruction. Hail victory.

[DPG21920]

Again, Meh. Maybe it will goad them into doing the right thing, which is quit relying on the US for their own security and build some militaries that can do more than nice looking parades.

, our best ally in the last few years has been France.

I agree with most of what you said, but I find it so shocking that you are so "meh" about terrorist attacks and mass shootings. You seem like a good person but when it comes to things like terrorism & mass shootings, to just simply shrug them off seems insensitive and inhumane which is strange considering your views.

[DPG21920]

And yes, ms is a really bad human.