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    i dont even get what you're arguing at this point. i'm just saying its hypocritical to lol at wilson while semen shielding luck for their early season woes

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    i dont even get what you're arguing at this point. i'm just saying its hypocritical to lol at wilson while semen shielding luck for their early season woes
    That's the argument. You put something up to make fun of Luck in order to prop Wilson up (as you just said). However, I asked why and pointed out why it's kind of silly in context.

    So silly that you just listed having Colby Fleener as some sort of accomplishment.

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    That's the argument. You put something up to make fun of Luck in order to prop Wilson up (as you just said). However, I asked why and pointed out why it's kind of silly in context.
    im just saying its hypocritical to lol at wilson if youre going to semen shield luck for their early season woes. both teams are struggling, neither QB has played well. i think its fair to say Luck has performed worse so far this season, though he's still clearly the far superior player

    So silly that you just listed having Colby Fleener as some sort of accomplishment.
    770 yards and 8 touchdowns last year... not bad for a #3 option in the passing game. not making him out to be a standout player. he's part of a good receiving group

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    It's not about stats, as I said, but you know that. Luck made him.

    Just because you have someone that is able to put up good stats because their QB is exceptional at times, doesn't mean they are really talented. The true test is to simply rank the positions by team.

    If you rank the TEs by team (meaning talent/depth - but I have the top flight talent ranked higher even if a team has good depth), then Fleener would be a bottom half of the league TE.

    If you rank the RBs by team, then Richardson last year (and Bradshaw to a lesser extent due to health) were a bottom half talent team. Even this year with Gore, maybe they sneak into the top half, but I'd say bottom half.

    If you rank the WR's by team, again, I'd probably say they are closer to the bottom half then top.

    Same with o-line.

    But when you do the same exercise with SEA, their RB situation would be top 5. Their TE would be top 5. Their oline is lower top half (IMO) and their WR are bottom half.

    Its not mutually exclusive to pin stuff on Russ (although he gets too much flack right now IMO) and defend Luck (again, Luck does deserve some criticism for his role in the poor start).

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    no, i'm not. i've long been aboard the luck > wilson train. the only person that isn't is probably avante

    something about throwing stones and having a glass home... when it comes to ppl bagging on wilson for seattle's poor start
    Struggle has the luxury of a stacked team, a limited playbook and only having to manage the game, which inflates his stats. Luck has a garbage team, garbage coaching and has to do literally everything by himself.

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    Andre Johnson and Coby Fleener are also part of what is a good cast. indy has good weapons all over the field when it comes to their passing game

    i don't know how hard should I laugh tbh

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    the fact that Brady is sixth in that list and the first is mariota should tell you everything you need to know about how relevant the qbrating really is..

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    had to pass on him during fantasy draft, i don't trust a system QB putting up numbers unless it's Brady.

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    the fact that Brady is sixth in that list and the first is mariota should tell you everything you need to know about how relevant the qbrating really is..
    its a ridiculously small sample size tbh

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    i don't know how hard should I laugh tbh
    you never really know much tbh, so this isn't surprising

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    Who hates their new team more??

    Demarco Murray or Jimmy graham?

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    Who hates their new team more??

    Demarco Murray or Jimmy graham?
    Probably Graham. Murray is going to milk his injury for a while whereas Graham is stuck playing with the most overrated ty QB in the league.

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    its a ridiculously small sample size tbh
    not really, because the small sample size should have given Brady a massive edge on everybody. It really is shown that the stat is massively in favor of game managers. Not that it is a bad stat, is just not about who makes the most impact and carries his team the most, it's about the one that was the most efficient..

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    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    its a ridiculously small sample size tbh

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    it's not and you can't deny it. If what you say would have any weight, than Brady would have been a massive outlier with an enormous advantage on the next man up. But he is 6th behind one that he beat and behind one that got his ass whipped on his second game.

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    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    2 games isn't a small sample size

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    I don't even know why you bother with that dumbass, well, aside from the comedic value

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    2 games isn't a small sample size
    it depends what you are using the sample for, in this case, is more than big enough. Unless you're re ed, of course.

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    Have any of Wilson's notable receiving threats ever had a career year with him? Tate, Rice, Harvin, Miller, et al (and now Graham) will all have had their best years with other teams, despite Seattle facing 8 in the box the majority of the time. Prime Randy Moss would've probably peaked at 750 yds and 7 tds had he played with Wilson

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    Have any of Wilson's notable receiving threats ever had a career year with him? Tate, Rice, Harvin, Miller, et al (and now Graham) will all have had their best years with other teams, despite Seattle facing 8 in the box the majority of the time. Prime Randy Moss would've probably peaked at 750 yds and 7 tds had he played with Wilson
    I don't blame Russ for that though - he's been everything they have asked of him and that is more game planning than anything. However, those questions are arising now because the defense has stepped back and the run game isn't working as well, they haven't been able to adjust.

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    How could you expect receivers to have career years on an offense that dials up the least passing plays in the league?

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    Gee i wonder why they don't throw more.

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    Here comes the Colby Fleener break out game though...It's happening just to add enough "I told you so" to the topic.

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    Gee i wonder why they don't throw more.
    Because Struggle is so "damn good" at throwing, and they don't want to wear out his arm.

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    Seattle's offense is run the ball run the ball run the ball, throw a bomb 35 yards down the sideline and pray you get lucky.

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