Star Wars: The Force Awakens

[Reck]

He was bred from birth to be a stormtrooper. Meaning before he was old enough, he had to do like sanitation. In the movie he's 18-ish and on his first ever mission as a stormtrooper. He literally says that exact thing. I'm sorry if you think movies have to spoonfeed you every last detail, but most people with a brain can deduce simple like that.

LOL give this guy a lightsaber so he can defend this movie like a true white knight.

I was reffering to what he posted that he is supposed to be an awesome trooper with a blaster. Clearly, in the movie, he's none of those things. Try to follow along.

I love Star Wars but I'm not going to pretend the movie isn't full of non-sensical .

[unleashbaynes]

Amusing how morons claim there is a "plot hole" with the way how Rey quickly learned how to make use of the force, yet conveniently forget that just within hours or less of learning that he even had the ability to use the force, Luke Skywalker was blocking laser shots with a lightsaber without even using his eyes, a couple hours later by means of the force somehow learned to pilot a ship he had never flown before so effectively that he could shoot torpedoes down a minuscule hole without using any sort of tracking system (doing it virtually blindly, again), that in his very first lightsaber fight he was able to hold his own pretty well against one of the most powerful force users to ever live, and that in his second lightsaber fight, he overtook the same guy without much trouble. Also forgetting that within maybe a day or so of learning she had the ability to use the force, somehow Leia was able to use it so well that she could sense whether Luke escaped the exploding Death Star safely or not.

Yet somehow, those aren't "plot holes", and the original trilogy apparently remains 100% plot hole free and flawless, and completely untouchable, when fact is, they had just as many, if not more "plot holes" if we analyze them as deeply as you idiots are analyzing this one. Great freaking logic

yes to all of this. Some of you nostalgia s need to quit overanalyzing this film. It was pretty ing good.

[Pauly D]

Yet somehow, those aren't "plot holes", and the original trilogy apparently remains 100% plot hole free and flawless, and completely untouchable

literally no one says that. They get the cred for their creativity

Any objective mind knows that this one is just as good, if not better than any episode of Star Wars that was ever made.

Except it's just a remake disguised as a sequel. Visuals aside it can't be better than Ep 4 in any way

An objective mind also knows that many people have seriously begun to overrate the original trilogy as well.

Totally agree

[Phillip]

They get the cred for their creativity

I never knew creativity gives you a pass for crappiness.

Except it's just a remake disguised as a sequel. Visuals aside it can't be better than Ep 4 in any way

Considering a movie is a visual work of art, I'd say visuals are pretty important. And why can't it be? I never knew remakes simply can't be superior to originals. Not to mention, a large majority of movie sequels generally are just "remakes" in a very similar manner as this one is considered to be a "remake" (I agree this one did it a tad more than most, but it still introduced plenty of new things). But somehow this one doesn't get any slack, and is a piece of crap because of it? Re ed.

[-21-]

They were there. I counted at least 3.
Not kidding.

Yeah, I know but for JJ that's a pretty low number. If you watch his other films (Star Trek/Super 8), every other scene basically has a lens flare. You can tell he restrained himself. Also, the one with Kylo Ren watching the planet destroyer through the window was awesome. One of the best scenes, visually, in the film imo.

[Chinook]

LOL give this guy a lightsaber so he can defend this movie like a true white knight.

I was reffering to what he posted that he is supposed to be an awesome trooper with a blaster. Clearly, in the movie, he's none of those things. Try to follow along.

I love Star Wars but I'm not going to pretend the movie isn't full of non-sensical .

I was talking about all of the material that suggests Finn was awesome in his test scores. To be honest, the book didn't say much about him being anything other than average in his combat ability, so I doubt the movie did either. Even so, I don't think he uses a blaster once in the book despite him constantly talking about preferring one to whatever he happens to have at his disposal. If he was supposed to be learning to use a lightsaber and become a Jedi, it would make sense. But if he's just a chode using a sword, they should have just given him a damned blaster.

[Chinook]

Any objective mind knows that this one is just as good, if not better than any episode of Star Wars that was ever made. An objective mind also knows that many people have seriously begun to overrate the original trilogy as well.

I actually have almost no nostalgic connection to the original trilogy. I grew up during the prequel era, and I would still watch II and III over any of the IV V or VI. But I actually don't really care about any of them. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if the acting, directing or visuals will make me put this above the others. But I did like the story just fine. I analyzed it because I spent 10.5 hours listening to nothing but this audiobook while I was at work. When all you have is plot and characters, you focus on those things more. In that regard, I thought VII was an improvement over IV. That doesn't stop VII from having issues, though, and this thread was about VII.

[Phillip]

I actually have almost no nostalgic connection to the original trilogy. I grew up during the prequel era, and I would still watch II and III over any of the IV V or VI. But I actually don't really care about any of them. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if the acting, directing or visuals will make me put this above the others. But I did like the story just fine. I analyzed it because I spent 10.5 hours listening to nothing but this audiobook while I was at work. When all you have is plot and characters, you focus on those things more. In that regard, I thought VII was an improvement over IV. That doesn't stop VII from having issues, though, and this thread was about VII.

I don't disagree that there are "issues". But why are people looking so hard for "issues" in a sci-fi fantasy popcorn flick? Really?

[lefty]

I don't disagree that there are "issues". But why are people looking so hard for "issues" in a sci-fi fantasy popcorn flick? Really?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Check the emo Kylo Ren Twitter account

Already following him lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It's not the plot holes that make it an underwhelming movie, it's the way they totally used episode 4 storyline down to details.

[Heath Ledger]

At least Kobe had his moments to imitate Jordan. Kylo started off great, then becomes an extremely emo whiny teenage who gets his ass handed to him by people who haven't had any light saber training.

His character fell apart by the end of the film for me. I wish I liked this movie more than I did, it has its moments, but I don't think I'll ever care to see it again. I liked the orignals for what it's worth.

He gets pWned because he is badly injured and bleeding out.

[I. Hustle]

If you think the acting was "bad" then I'm sure you only enjoy oscar nominated movies because your bar is set way too high. I think you need to go rewatch episode one. I didn't cringe once during this movie. Good enough.

The bad guy may have been an emo but that was the point. You may have not liked their choices with him but at least they made some choices. He was a 3 dimensional....which is a lot more than you can say for any character in the prequels. Again your standards are too high.

I liked the movie. That being said... I thought Kylo was the guy from Grandma's Boy.

How can he see me?

[lefty]

He gets pWned because he is badly injured and bleeding out.

Exactly

Chewy blasted him before the fight

[UZER]

It's not the plot holes that make it an underwhelming movie, it's the way they totally used episode 4 storyline down to details.

You had to reset the franchise from the horrible prequels. This generation needed it's own a new hope, while bringing the star wars universe back to a place the old cool fans recognize. They accomplished both of those with this first movie. Now that you got that out of the way, the new story will begin with the next movie.

[djohn2oo8]

Exactly

Chewy blasted him before the fight

PLUS, he didnt want to kill Rey. He wanted to turn her to the dark side. Which begs the question, why would he be hesitant to kill her? He initially got angry when he first heard about her.

[djohn2oo8]

Someone brought up a great point.

2) people forget that there has been essentially no use for Jedi powers for a generation. Ren may have powers, but he's never had an opportunity to hone them or learn how to fight someone who didn't cower from him and his armies. Vader was from an era where Jedi were training against other Jedi.

[spurraider21]

so chinook would be cool with rey if she wasn't a chick

[Chinook]

so chinook would be cool with rey if she wasn't a chick

More like if Rey were a dude, everyone would have had a problem with him.

[Reck]

My my..so much excuses for Kylo Ren.

He got his ass whopped not because he was injured..let's face it.. he got all the way to the forest from being inside the walkway thing where he sabered Han Solo, he fough Finn then Rey. Moved with quickness etc.

He got beat by someone more powerful plain and simple.

And that's what people are having issues with. At least kylo Ren had training and was on his way to becoming a sith. That means, he should have at least taken care of two people who had never had any sort of training with the force or a lightsaber. Instead she was all mighty and powerful from the first time she touched a lightsaber. Ridiculous.





I think these two videos sum up pretty much the issues with this film.

[lefty]

The Force is really strong with Rey, she will be a powerful Jedi

Ren is as powerful as Rey, but he lets his emotions get the best out of him whereas Rey is in control of hers

[TDMVPDPOY]

havnt seen the movie yet, but possibly could rey be a child prodigy that allows her to grasps things quicker then someone who needs training, in other words a hax character where the director cant explain it?

[HI-FI]

Finally saw it. Visually and musically it was the least inspired SW film imo. I can't recall Williams phoning in a SW score like this but then I can't blame him based on the movie.
Also, I'm probably one of the few people pissed JJ used a flashback when Lucas was adamant not to use them but whatever.

It felt more like fan fiction than SW to me but there were some sequences and characters I liked, so in that context I'll give it 7/10.

havnt seen the movie yet, but possibly could rey be a child prodigy that allows her to grasps things quicker then someone who needs training, in other words a hax character where the director cant explain it?

yeah in that flashback it seems to infer she was trained at a young age then hidden. Maybe Luke's daughter, perhaps he creampied another Jedi which would make Rey very powerful imo.

[Phillip]

My my..so much excuses for Kylo Ren.

He got his ass whopped not because he was injured..let's face it.. he got all the way to the forest from being inside the walkway thing where he sabered Han Solo, he fough Finn then Rey. Moved with quickness etc.

He got beat by someone more powerful plain and simple.

And that's what people are having issues with. At least kylo Ren had training and was on his way to becoming a sith. That means, he should have at least taken care of two people who had never had any sort of training with the force or a lightsaber. Instead she was all mighty and powerful from the first time she touched a lightsaber. Ridiculous.





I think these two videos sum up pretty much the issues with this film.

So... basically you are a moron?

Got it

[Texas_Ranger]

Some of people are ing about how Finn was so good with the saber. Well he really was not that good. He was defeated by the Stormtrooper pretty easily and Kylo Ren, who was injured, was toying with him if you watch it closely. Also, the Stormtroopers are trained to fight with a sword, so he should know how to make some moves with the saber. The Rey thing is pretty obvious. She just got more force in her than Kylo. And her saberfighting until that the last 20 seconds of the fight was pretty weak. Kylo (injured) was beating both of them and they were running away from him most of the time. Now for the theory that Rey is Luke's daughther... At first I also thought that was it, but now I think she's related to Obi-Wan cause both of them are talking British.
The movie does remind me of the original trilogy and a lot of stuff is the same as in the old movies, but it was still a great movie. 10X better than the prequels. I just hope EP8 won't be a rip off of the Empire.