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Hope Danny still has the fire in him, even after getting paid. He's gone thru his usual 5 game cold streaks in the past, but we're now 20+ games in. Don't see the team winning a championship without the Green of old tbh :/
I remember the speculation this summer that Danny had given the Spurs a big hometown discount to resign with them. I also remember seeing a reporter asking him about that during a SL game. Danny replied that he had gotten "paid what he was worth." Just saying'...
Hope Danny still has the fire in him, even after getting paid. He's gone thru his usual 5 game cold streaks in the past, but we're now 20+ games in. Don't see the team winning a championship without the Green of old tbh :/
Danny was absolutely incredible in game 7 against the Clippers last season. He played a monster game after being missing for 3 or 4 games during that series. That Danny Green is unreal on defense and a killer on offense. I really don't know what it takes to keep him performing at a consistent level. Does he really need Pop to get on him, or is it just a severe lack of focus on his part.
If he can't get it together in the short term, as I said earlier in this thread, I would like Simmons to start. Starting Simmons at the very least can help his confidence and then when Danny starts getting back to himself, then we could have 2 very good contributors rather than one.
It's also no secret that I like penetrators that can get to rim and finish or draw the foul, so I am a little biased there. Simmons has two things going for him on offense - He can get to the rim and also pass better than Danny. He just needs to work on and focus on getting better defensively, and at shooting the ball. I really do think his shooting form looks different to what I saw in Summer League and I think it's for the better, so without having access to the team, just by observing his form at the free throw line and the few jumpers he is taking, I think he's really been working hard on his jumper with Chip. Defense is the number one thing though. He really needs to learn and get better on that end of the court. I think he can if Pop gives him some playing time to learn against the better players. If he gets the playing time, then it's all up to Simmons from there. Danny not playing well is a huge opportunity that might not have otherwise been there for him this season, so if Pop gives him the chance, he's got to take it and maximize it.
Y'all musta forgotten 2013-14 when he had a ty 2 months then got benched in favor of Marco before he got injured & was out of action for good. He might have been the worst starter on a contender during that period.
Simmons is like Tony Montana, a guy like that can take you to the top.
I was never talking about him going to the rim versus shooting floaters. I think your floater argument is generally irrelevant.
Simmons works well with Leonard so maybe this is a good idea. Also Simmons has good passing skills that is sorely missing with the starters.
Statistically though, Anderson seems to be the guy you can put in the starting lineup and have better results.
Green's problem with the second unit is that he shares the same spot as Patty Mills.
Too many players that are more than capable, Spurs have already an 11 man rotation and that's not including Butler and Marjanovic!!
parker, green, leonard, lma, duncan - manu, mills, anderson, diaw, west - simmons !
Did anyone else notice when Simmons got an And 1 they showed Green and he was biting the towel??
You got that right: Those are really the two things he has at the NBA level right now. He's really athletic, which will allow him to get easy baskets, and he can pass well. Both are things Danny is deficient at.
Simmons is not a jumpshooter however, and where I really lose my love for this current version of him is his defense.
He tries, but he cannot negotiate screens. He gets caught every time. I mentioned b4 that quite a few of the screens he ran into against the Raptors were called offensive fouls on the screener, but in reality it was Simms running hard through a screen. He is so athletic and fast that once he has a full head of steam, he can't change directions or negotiate the screen properly. If the referee is not paying attention, the call can go in his favor. However, overtime it won't last and will eventually be called appropriately if he starts games. It will become noticeable that he gets caught up in every screen and thus, he won't get the benefit of 50/50 calls.
The other thing is that defensively he gets lost a lot. He has improved from where he was in preseason, but he's nowhere near Danny's level, when Danny is playing well.
The problem is that Danny is not playing well, and not only is he slumping, but he's been slacking on defense, loosing sight of his own assignment too much.
I believe Pop expects more out of the more experienced guys than from the new guys. Pop will correct both, but he will be much more strict with Danny on defense than he is with Simmons.
Overall, and for the long run, we are not winning a championship with Simmons starting. Danny really needs to get his head out of his s .
I know that Simmons shines brightest as a slasher, but i thought he could shoot at a reasonable clip as well. Certainly better than what Green is giving us at the moment.
Fingers crossed Green gets his shot back. It's a thing of beauty when he is jacking up 3s and you know it's going to be all net. I like what Simmons has done but I feel it will mess with Green's psych too much if he loses his starting spot. But it's so weird a shooter as good as he is has just lost his shot, we need him to get it back. Taking the starting job off him now will mess with his head too much imo. Also Simmons energy on the bench to go along with Patty, West, Bobo and Boban is contagious. The whole crowd goes nuts when Boban is on the floor and does something good.
If him shooting floaters is irrelevant then him driving should be irrelevant since he's taking just as many floaters as he's attempting layups. Basically, he sucks in both areas & has nothing to do w/ foul calls (he's simply not getting bailed out).
When Green was re-signed, wasn't there some talk by Pop that he had agreed to lighten up on Green? Maybe that was a mistake.
Green looks like someone told him he had to learn to dribble and go to the basket more. I know I complained that he had the worst handle I've ever seen for a guard in the NBA and many folks on ST were on the same page. Maybe we are to blame for his incredible attempt to change into a slasher into the paint. :-)
If he's a 3 & D guard, he's got to have the D when he goes through a shooting slump. I've never seen a NBA player completely lose his shot ...oh, wait, I forgot about Austin Daye. Nevermind.
Yes. I think Green would also benefit from Patty's quicker penetration. Plus I think Patty may be more lethal from three than Kawhi at the moment. Hopefully that would free up Danny to build some confidence.
Just thought I'd share that Pop didn't blow Simmons' play from last night out of proportion.
He said that he thought Simmons really provided a spark in the 3rd Q, but when asked about Danny, he downplayed it and said that he just went with the guy he thought had a chance to help at that particular point in the game. He said some nights it could be some other guy.
I thought Pop wasn't downplaying Simmons' good play, but rather he was diminishing the significance of Danny being benched. Pop has already gone to different guys at times to change the dynamics in games. I remember Boris being benched in a kind of similar situation for Anderson. It didn't mean Bobo was benched to oblivion and neither will Danny.
Hopefully Danny wakes up as I have said repeatedly. It worked for Bobo, since after that stretch, he's been fiery, aggressive and more engaged.
But the difference is, though it may be foolish, they can afford to limit or even bench Diaw on occasion, because of the depth at PF. They have no such luxury at SG. Simmons has potential, but he's erratic and even when he's going good, his game isn't suited to complimenting the other starters.
In the four losses Danny has played in
Fg 2-9 3's 0-5 +/- -4
3-10 3-8. -17
3-10. 1-5 +5
4-11. 2-7. -11
Pretty bad did not play in loss to Pelicans. I'm all for Danny but that's rotten.
Looked at Pattys numbers in loss also poor so not totally on Danny but one of these guys
Has to shooting well for us to win.
Im confident that JSimms can exceed that production. Start him Pop
This data isn't very helpful. Green hasn't been very good in wins either.
Danny plays like on offense for at least one lengthy stretch of games every year.
At this point, it's the top that stops spinning so I know I'm in the real world.
3pt% will be 40+ by year's end, per par.
He´s been sucking for a whole year, reaching the worst in the Clip series.
This is looking like another beautiful find.
Good going Mr. Simmons, the hard work is paying off.
Well I would not call tonight exactly a benching, since Danny started, but J.Simms played for the longest significant stretches and I can see Pop letting him play through mistakes and coaching him more.
He keeps improving significantly. I liked his defensive effort tonight, and he made corner 3!!!
Danny at least came out of his funk, but in a game where everyone shot the 3 well, it's nothing significant. I can't believe Pop will completely bench Danny, but J.Simms is looking like a real find and he's for sure able to provide things Danny can't.
I am starting to come around to the real possibility that we might see Danny really be benched for Simmons. I should be happy that Simmons is coming around so quickly. I just find it very bittersweet bc of Danny. After all the flak I have given Danny, it really saddens me to see him struggle.
In a post-Manu world though, we needed a better SG, and perhaps it is a growing realization. Right now Danny is in lalaland.
Pop just got asked about putting Simmons in with the starters some.
Pop: "Well, I just wanted to give him a chance... see what it feels like to just play solid, and not show how really good you are. Just play solid, and how good you are will come out eventually."
Thats is mad respect coming from pop.
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