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    I'll quote that for posterity. Remind me to bring it up in the future.
    I'm not usually wrong. Whether he has a great defensive play or not, his overall defense is not good.

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    Having no data to support your assertions is a serious, even fatal, flaw in your assertions. That you think otherwise is telling.
    Last game... Simmons with 2 steals. He can't defend?

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    I'm not usually wrong. Whether he has a great defensive play or not, his overall defense is not good.
    You got some stats to back you up?

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    You don't have any argument to stand on other than 'I don't have any data'.
    We don't need data. Any 5 man rotation gets better defensively between parker and simmons.

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    I don't agree with what that guy says much but Simmons is a better rebounder than parker. And their man to man defense is about the same. Any 5 man team would get better defensively if your options are simmons over parker.
    That's what I'm saying, in the starter roster, subbing Simmons over Parker makes for a better defensive team. You have to be digging into some unknown stats to not make that conclusion.

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    You got some stats to back you up?
    I watch the games. Players blow by him in a good rate. No pick necessary either.

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    I watch the games. Players blow by him in a good rate. No pick necessary either.
    Players blow by Parker all the time too.

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    Simmons could also box out better than parker too.

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    Last game... Simmons with 2 steals. He can't defend?
    1. Two steals doesn't prove anything about his defense.

    2. I never said he couldn't defend. Typical strawman.

    3. Keep moving those goalposts. You're bound to make one eventually.

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    Players blow by Parker all the time too.
    I'm not comparing Parker and Simmons here. I'm comparing him to average basketball defense.

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    Simmons could also box out better than parker too.
    6'6" player vs 6'2" and you keep insisting there isn't an advantage?

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    I'm not comparing Parker and Simmons here. I'm comparing him to average basketball defense.
    But that's what we are comparing. Does it make sense to sub Simmons for Parker defensively in the starting lineup?

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    6'6" player vs 6'2" and you keep insisting there isn't an advantage?
    2 points I'm making.

    1 Simmons is not a good defender.

    2 He is a better option than Tony for defense. Not that it would work on offense but he would be a better defender than tony.

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    BTW... in case you guys aren't confused, we are talking about Jonathon Simmons here and not Kyle Anderson.

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    2 points I'm making.

    1 Simmons is not a good defender.

    2 He is a better option than Tony for defense. Not that it would work on offense but he would be a better defender than tony.
    I'm only making the case for #2. I think #1 is still a work in progress.

    There you go Mel_13... another data point that says you are wrong.

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    But that's what we are comparing. Does it make sense to sub Simmons for Parker defensively in the starting lineup?
    For one defensive stop yeah. Like end of the quarter type processions followed with timeouts because I'm not so sure how it would work on offense.

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    Holy ceperez shut the up
    One of my favorite posts from the Jimmer thread.

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    Does it make sense to sub Simmons for Parker defensively in the starting lineup?
    Asked and answered.

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    For one defensive stop yeah. Like end of the quarter type processions followed with timeouts because I'm not so sure how it would work on offense.
    That's what I'm saying.

    I doubt we will ever see this. Pop wouldn't even sub Parker out even if Green was sitting on the bench.

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    I'm only making the case for #2. I think #1 is still a work in progress.

    There you go Mel_13... another data point that says you are wrong.


    Dabom's opinion isn't a data point, it's his opinion.

    That you don't know what a data point is also speaks volumes.

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    Guys, really, Simmons in the Starting lineup. So who is going to handle the ball. Simmons is not James Harden. Parker has played very well defensively of late.

    The offensive efficiency would drop much more than the defensive efficiency gained from subbing Simmons for Parker. If you going to take Parker out, you are going to having replace Green with Manu as well because of this very reason. Simmons can create but can he RUN AN OFFENSE, absolutely not at this point. He has quite a ways to go before he can do that. And Quite honestly I don't think he ever will be a guy that can consistently do so. That is why he pairs so well with KA who can run the offense.

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    Dabom's opinion isn't a data point, it's his opinion.

    That you don't know what a data point is also speaks volumes.
    I consider myself a data point.

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    Dabom's opinion isn't a data point, it's his opinion.

    That you don't know what a data point is also speaks volumes.
    You're talking to a guy who said this:

    Fair enough criteria (i.e. "who could've Spurs drafted instead").

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    Guys, really, Simmons in the Starting lineup. So who is going to handle the ball. Simmons is not James Harden. Parker has played very well defensively of late.

    The offensive efficiency would drop much more than the defensive efficiency gained from subbing Simmons for Parker. If you going to take Parker out, you are going to having replace Green with Manu as well because of this very reason. Simmons can create but can he RUN AN OFFENSE, absolutely not at this point. He has quite a ways to go before he can do that. And Quite honestly I don't think he ever will be a guy that can consistently do so. That is why he pairs so well with KA who can run the offense.
    The guy was making a case for a late quarter/end of the game type situations for a "possession" on the defensive side.

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    Dabom's opinion isn't a data point, it's his opinion.

    That you don't know what a data point is also speaks volumes.
    Not seeing that as a joke speaks volumes of your hubris.

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