African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

[clambake]

he's not disingenuous. ring this bell and he will always foam at the mouth. this only comes through training.

[RandomGuy]

Says the guy with the "I don't know" copout that fails to address the root of the question. Thanks for playing.

Now come back with "science is supposed to study those things to find the answer"... which of course I know. But then the fact that you've already decided that a Creator wasn't required, isn't science. It's just as speculative a statement as my own beliefs. Either way, I'm not in denial about what I believe of origins. You all keep giving the run-around to avoid answering the t=0 question.

"i don't know" isn't a cop out. "God did it" most assuredly is.

"I don't know" is the answer, when you don't know. Kind of hard to say that honesty is a "cop out".

This is another attempt to shift the burden of proof.

You "know" the universe was created by "god". How do you know? "this book says so". How do you know that book is true? "Because it says it is true"

Now give me, or anyone else for that matter, a good reason to accept that book over every other book that says it is the true explanation.

I haven't decided a creator isn't needed. I just see no evidence that yours is. THAT is YOUR burden of proof.

[Blake]

he's not disingenuous. ring this bell and he will always foam at the mouth. this only comes through training.

I would concur that seems to be the case

[Phenomanul]

This is stupid. Just because something is unknown doesn't make your interpretation right. We just don't know.

Show me where I say my interpretation is right...

My interpretation is speculative.

AS speculative as the next guy who claims "they don't know".

YOU all saying a believer is scientifically handicapped for reconciling his beliefs with an area where science is fundamentally limited is the crux of my argument. You can't have it both ways.

I can't believe you can't understand the distinction.

[Phenomanul]

"i don't know" isn't a cop out. "God did it" most assuredly is.

"I don't know" is the answer, when you don't know. Kind of hard to say that honesty is a "cop out".

This is another attempt to shift the burden of proof.

You "know" the universe was created by "god". How do you know? "this book says so". How do you know that book is true? "Because it says it is true"

Now give me, or anyone else for that matter, a good reason to accept that book over every other book that says it is the true explanation.

I haven't decided a creator isn't needed. I just see no evidence that yours is. THAT is YOUR burden of proof.

Semantics... like I said, you all LOVE to harp on the words and phrasings but gloss over the entire concept.

Again:

Show me where I say my interpretation is right...

My interpretation is speculative.

AS speculative as the next guy who claims "they don't know".

YOU all saying a believer is scientifically handicapped for reconciling his beliefs with an area where science is fundamentally limited is the crux of my argument. You can't have it both ways.

I can't believe you can't understand the distinction.

[Blake]

Show me where I say my interpretation is right...

My interpretation is speculative.

AS speculative as the next guy who claims "they don't know".

YOU all saying a believer is scientifically handicapped for reconciling his beliefs with an area where science is fundamentally limited is the crux of my argument. You can't have it both ways.

I can't believe you can't understand the distinction.

Yeah that's called god of the gaps

[Phenomanul]

he's not disingenuous. ring this bell and he will always foam at the mouth. this only comes through training.

I don't know, the only rabid person here is you. Always spewing hate and derision. Congratulations... I suppose. Yay you....!

[RandomGuy]

The bigger issue is why you keep wanting to throw away the whole concept of accountability...? If you did, then how can you claim moral authority over a being that does require accountability...?

Quite the opposite. I am not throwing away the concept of accountability. You are.

spe·cial plead·ing
noun
argument in which the speaker deliberately ignores aspects that are unfavorable to their point of view.

Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.[1][2]

The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight (e.g., a reference to common sense) or an application of a double standard.

God is accountable for his evil, just as a human is.

You are the one granting the exception, NOT ME.

God makes choices, just like we do. You make excuses for those choices no matter how evil they are, because to do otherwise, would invite the infinite torture you can't admit is evil.

[Blake]

Yours is a murderous child killing god of the gaps

But he loves you!

[RandomGuy]

Yeah that's called god of the gaps

better:

Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four,

true
false
unknown between true or false
being unknowable (among the first three).[1]
In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used in an attempt to shift the burden of proof.

[Phenomanul]

Yeah that's called god of the gaps

But now you can't claim that your disbelief of GOD is scientifically supported, IT NEVER was... capiche?

[clambake]

I don't know, the only rabid person here is you. Always spewing hate and derision. Congratulations... I suppose. Yay you....!

just trying to remind others of what was pounded into you since birth.

you never had a chance to believe anything else.

[Blake]

better:

Sure. I was referring to that part about reconciling beliefs where science is limited...

[RandomGuy]

Show me where I say my interpretation is right...

My interpretation is speculative.

AS speculative as the next guy who claims "they don't know".

Every time you present a bible quote, and say you have "faith" that is a statement of truth.

"this is true, because I have faith it is true".

To say it is speculative, is to admit you don't have faith. Do you doubt God's Word?

[Phenomanul]

Quite the opposite. I am not throwing away the concept of accountability. You are.




God is accountable for his evil, just as a human is.

You are the one granting the exception, NOT ME.

God makes choices, just like we do. You make excuses for those choices no matter how evil they are, because to do otherwise, would invite the infinite torture you can't admit is evil.

NO... YOU are the one that keeps redefining the framework to attribute evil to GOD's actions. YOUR evil mind is doing that. Yet you claim moral superiority. You still don't get it.

Sin requires death ---> That's justice.

GOD justice requires execution of said verdict ---> People are accountable for their choices.

GOD isn't a human. He transcends us. Your entire premise is built on this fallacious footing.

[Phenomanul]

just trying to remind others of what was pounded into you since birth.

you never had a chance to believe anything else.

See now you're just assuming. Please, go on... tell others my life story. Do you deliberately lie for everything?

[Blake]

But now you can't claim that your disbelief of GOD is scientifically supported, IT NEVER was... capiche?

I never would make that claim, never need to. I'm not sure you'll ever capiche that it's on you to prove bible god is real.

Lol you go off on so many ing irrelevant strawnan tangents it's hard to recall the original point. I'll give you credit for the these aren't the droids you're looking for straw goal post moving subtle moves

[Blake]

See now you're just assuming. Please, go on... tell others my life story. Do you deliberately lie for everything?

Lol says dude that's been telling others what they believe here

[Phenomanul]

Sure. I was referring to that part about reconciling beliefs where science is limited...

Saying 'limited' is selling it high. The scientific toolset grotesquely falls short of being able to answer the 'origins' question because everything we know about the laws of this universe, quantum physics, all the universal constants ---> it all breaks down at the point of origins.

[Blake]

NO... YOU are the one that keeps redefining the framework to attribute evil to GOD's actions. YOUR evil mind is doing that. Yet you claim moral superiority. You still don't get it.

Sin requires death ---> That's justice.

GOD justice requires execution of said verdict ---> People are accountable for their choices.

GOD isn't a human. He transcends us. Your entire premise is built on this fallacious footing.

Bible God provided his own rules of right and wrong. He broke a bunch of these rules.

It's as simple as that, re .

[Blake]

Saying 'limited' is selling it high. The scientific toolset grotesquely falls short of being able to answer the 'origins' question because everything we know about the laws of this universe, quantum physics, all the universal constants ---> it all breaks down at the point of origins.

Yah, that sounds like God of the gaps to me. RG?

[Phenomanul]

I never would make that claim, never need to. I'm not sure you'll ever capiche that it's on you to prove bible god is real.

Lol you go off on so many ing irrelevant strawnan tangents it's hard to recall the original point. I'll give you credit for the these aren't the droids you're looking for straw goal post moving subtle moves

LOL subtle moves.

EVERY OTHER THREAD IN THIS FORUM routinely suggests abiogenesis driven Evolution (life from non-life) and Naturalistic Origins (everything from nothing) are scientific fact.

You don't get to backpedal and state you weren't tossing in your 2 cents in support of those unsubstantiated premises.

[Phenomanul]

Bible God provided his own rules of right and wrong. He broke a bunch of these rules.

It's as simple as that, re .

By exacting JUSTICE???

Ummm no. You just don't want to admit that accountability must be rendered. GOD's never sinned. We have.

GOD as an executioner of JUSTICE is no more amoral than a Judge or a Jury who renders a guilty verdict.

[clambake]

See now you're just assuming. Please, go on... tell others my life story. Do you deliberately lie for everything?

what am i lying about?

not expecting a response, but if so.....good luck

[Phenomanul]

Every time you present a bible quote, and say you have "faith" that is a statement of truth.

"this is true, because I have faith it is true".

To say it is speculative, is to admit you don't have faith. Do you doubt God's Word?

Saying that something is truth for me doesn't mean it isn't speculative by scientific standards.

My anecdote about what I witnessed in Chiapas Mexico was truth for me. I didn't write a thesis level publication to purport it as truth. But you need to acknowledge that science isn't the sole revealer of truth. That is the problem around this forum --> you all routinely act as though it is.