African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

[Phenomanul]

On for round 10 tomorrow. Bye peeps.

[Blake]

ummmmm ok...

I didn't realize Santa Claus was credited with the creation of the universe.

That can be arranged just the same with a flick of the pen.

[Blake]

He also relented and gave Israel an earthly king. He didn't want to. The people wanted it.

Why do you do this goal post move ? We're not talking about kings. We're talking about slavery. Focus.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you want to work with t=i go right ahead... It just proves the relentlessness with which you run away from the ramifications of the origins paradox. There's a reason why I didn't include you in the list of the 'official position' creed I attempted to write above. Because you of all people still press to try and suggest that denying GOD's existence is supported by your particular brand of science...

BTW people have evaluated t=-1 (or t<0) when suggesting the 'big crunch'. Unfortunately the expansion of our universe is accelerating away from the 'big bang epicenter' leaving no room for belief in a cyclical big bang --> big crunch never-ending series.

And I don't care if you believe my academic a en or not. No matter what I believe, your inference of my intellectual capabilities is already set by your exclusivity of divine belief... e.g. your belief that somehow my belief in GOD makes me "stupid and ignorant". That sort of irrationality is foolish. Science isn't equipped to answer everything.

Prove that the big bang is the beginning with nothing before. That is the your entire arguments basis in your typical reductio ad absurdum manner.

It's amusing when I point out how my paradigm works in atomics and telecom and your sole retort is a smilie after claims of supposed expertise. You lose.

Just because you cannot explain iyour supposed origin does not mean God = real. I gave several alternate realities that don't include your wishful thinking with empirical basis. Even if there is a first cause that does not mean Bible = true either.

[RandomGuy]

JESUS never talked about pornography.

And yet He said, "anyone who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery." Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse pornography.

JESUS never talked about the IRS.

And yet He said, "render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to GOD what is GOD's." [when asked about taxes] Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse tax evasion (evasion of responsibility).

JESUS never talked about racism.

And yet the Gospel gives three examples where Samaritans (people the Jewish nation treated like dogs) were the 'hero' of a parable. Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse the poor treatment of others (despite their 'nationality'/'ethnicity').

JESUS never talked about sexism.

And yet JESUS was always talking with women, and some women even fiscally supported His ministry (despite the objections from his disciples). Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse the subjugation of women.

Unfortunately JESUS isn't recorded explicitly addressing the social political caste systems in place at the time of his ministry.

Your assumption THEN that He didn't explicitly address slavery is moot. To me more than enough context is provided to suggest it isn't endorsed.

You quoting cut and paste objections from other websites doesn't change anything because (of course) the context of the Covenants are fully ignored.



I've told you this before.

Sin (as revealed by the law) will definitely condemn anyone who isn't covered by JESUS' grace. The law must therefore exist for judgment to be enacted.

Jesus summarized ALL the laws of the OT with:

1) Love the LORD GOD with all your heart, soul and mind.

2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Laws of goats or fabric are irrelevant (where not applicable) as they were unique to the Hebrew nation. The New Covenant supplants them (kind of like Federal Laws superseding City Laws). Unless you want to be dense for the sake of being dense.

More fail.

I don't really care about your personal interpretation of other verses that don't deal specifically with slavery. There are so many interpretations out there. That is a human construct.

I want to read it myself to see the Word of God.

Show me where God decided "slavery is evil" was as important as "mixed fabrics is bad". I'm sure Jesus thought not being evil was important. He talked about all sorts of things required to be a righteous person.

[RandomGuy]

GOD chose to create a universe that could be corrupted by sin? God's choice, if one assumes he had a choice. Maybe he didn't? Which is it?

The risk of gifting man free-will was that sin would corrupt mankind.

The risk of not gifting man free-will was that sin would never be defeated.

JESUS defeated sin by becoming human Himself and subjecting Himself to all the temptations, sufferings and fragilities of our corporal form. If humanity had never been gifted free-will, this outcome would not be possible.

Original sin is another moral abomination.

Holding someone responsible for the crimes of others is evil.

Human sacrifice for the crimes of others is a moral abomination.

It is pretty much the kind of sick thing that barbarians thousands of years ago would imagine as part of their God Idea.

A fall from grace is not really all that original in terms of mythological themes. It is simply a common trope in the attempt to understand why bad things happen.

In the beginning was only Tepeu and Gu atz (Feathered Serpent).

These two sat together and thought, and whatever they thought came into being. They thought earth, and there it was. They thought mountains, and so there were. They thought trees, and sky, and animals etc, and each came into being. But none of these things could praise them, so they formed more advanced beings of clay. But these beings fell apart when they got wet, so they made beings out of wood, but they proved unsatisfactory and caused trouble on the earth. The gods sent a great flood to wipe out these beings, so that they could start over. With the help of Mountain Lion, Coyote, Parrot, and Crow they fashioned four new beings. These four beings performed well and are the ancestors of the Quich.

Ask and Embla

One day Odin, Vili and Ve walked on the beach. There they found two logs; one appeared to be from the Ash tree and the other appeared to come from an Elm tree.

Odin gave the logs spirit and life, Ve gave them movement, mind and intelligence and Vili gave them shape, speech, feelings and the five senses. The first two humans had been created.

The man was given the name Ask, and the woman was given the name Embla. The Aesir decided the humans should live in the place named Midgard

In the beginning nothing existed, only darkness was everywhere. Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. When he looked into the endless darkness, light appeared above. He looked down and it became a sea of light. To the east, he created yellow streaks of dawn. To the west, tints of many colors appeared everywhere. There were also clouds of different colours. He also created three other gods: a little girl, a Sun-God and a small boy.

Then he created celestial phenomena, the winds, the tarantula, and the earth from the sweat of the four gods mixed together in the Creator's palms, from a small round, brown ball, not much larger than a bean. The world was expanded to its current size by the gods kicking the small brown ball until it expanded. Creator told Wind to go inside the ball and to blow it up.

The tarantula, the trickster character, spun a black cord and, attaching it to the ball, crawled away fast to the east, pulling on the cord with all his strength. Tarantula repeated with a blue cord to the south, a yellow cord to the west, and a white cord to the north. With mighty pulls in each direction, the brown ball stretched to immeasurable size--it became the earth! No hills, mountains, or rivers were visible; only smooth, treeless, brown plains appeared. Then the Creator created the rest of the beings and features of the Earth.

Long, long ago, the Creator, the Great Chief Above, made the world. Then he made the animals and the birds and gave them their names -- Coyote, Grizzly Bear, Deer, Fox, Eagle, the four Wolf Brothers, Magpie, Bluejay, Hummingbird, and all the others. When he had finished his work, the Creator called the animal people to him. "I am going to leave you," he said. "But I will come back. When I come again, I will make human beings. They will be in charge of you." The Great Chief returned to his home in the sky, and the animal people scattered to all parts of the world.

After twelve moons, the animal people gathered to meet the Creator as he had directed. Some of them had complaints. Bluejay, Meadowlark, and Coyote did not like their names. Each of them asked to be some other creature. "No," said the Creator. "I have given you your names. There is no change. My word is law.

"Because you have tried to change my law, I will not make the human being this time. Because you have disobeyed me, you have soiled what I brought with me. I planned to change it into a human being. Instead, I will put it in water to be washed for many moons and many snows, until it is clean again."

Then he took something from his right side and put it in the river. It swam, and the Creator named it Beaver. "Now I will give you another law," said the Great Chief Above.

"The one of you who keeps strong and good will take Beaver from the water some day and make it into a human being. I will tell you now what to do. Divide Beaver into twelve parts. Take each part to a different place and breathe into it your own breath. Wake it up. It will be a human being with your breath. Give it half of your power and tell it what to do. Today I am giving my power to one of you. He will have it as long as he is good." When the Creator had finished speaking, all the creatures started for their homes -- all except Coyote. The Great Chief had a special word for Coyote.

"You are to be head of all the creatures, Coyote. You are a power just like me now, and I will help you do your work. Soon the creatures and all the other things I have made will become bad. They will fight and will eat each other. It is your duty to keep them as peaceful as you can. "When you have finished your work, we will meet again, in this land toward the east. If you have been good, if you tell the truth and obey me, you can make the human being from Beaver. If you have done wrong, someone else will make him." Then the Creator went away.

It happened as the Creator had foretold. Everywhere the things he had created did wrong. The mountains swallowed the creatures. The winds blew them away. Coyote stopped the mountains, stopped the winds, and rescued the creatures. One winter, after North Wind had killed many people, Coyote made a law for him: "Hereafter you can kill only those who make fun of you."

Everywhere Coyote went, he made the world better for the animal people and better for the human beings yet to be created. When he had finished his work, he knew that it was time to meet the Creator again. Coyote thought that he had been good, that he would be the one to make the first human being. But he was mistaken. He thought that he had as much power as the Creator. So he tried, a second time, to change the laws of the Great Chief Above.

"Some other creature will make the human being," the Creator told Coyote. "I shall take you out into the ocean and give you a place to stay for all time." So Coyote walked far out across the water to an island. There the Creator stood waiting for him, beside the house he had made. Inside the house on the west side stood a black suit of clothes. On the other side hung a white suit. "Coyote, you are to wear this black suit for six months," said the Creator. "Then the weather will be cold and dreary. Take off the black suit and wear the white suit. Then there will be summer, and everything will grow. I will give you my power not to grow old. You will live here forever and forever."

Coyote stayed there, out in the ocean, and the four Wolf brothers took his place as the head of all the animal people. Youngest Wolf Brother was strong and good and clever. Oldest Wolf Brother was worthless. So the Creator gave Youngest Brother the power to take Beaver from the water. One morning Oldest Wolf Brother said to Youngest Brother, "I want you to kill Beaver. I want his tooth for a knife."

"Oh, no!" exclaimed Second and Third Brothers. "Beaver is too strong for Youngest Brother." But Youngest Wolf said to his brothers, "Make four spears. For Oldest Brother, make a spear with four forks. For me, make a spear with one fork. Make a two-forked spear and a three-forked spear for yourselves. I will try my best to get Beaver, so that we can kill him."

All the animal persons had seen Beaver and his home. They knew where he lived. They knew what a big creature he was. His family of young beavers lived with him. The animal persons were afraid that Youngest Wolf Brother would fail to capture Beaver and would fail to make the human being. Second and Third Wolf Brothers also were afraid. "I fear we will lose Youngest Brother," they said to each other. But they made the four spears he had asked for.

At dusk, the Wolf brothers tore down the dam at the beavers' home, and all the little beavers ran out. About midnight, the larger beavers ran out. They were so many, and they made so much noise, that they sounded like thunder. Then Big Beaver ran out, the one the Creator had put into the water to become clean.

"Let's quit!" said Oldest Wolf Brother, for he was afraid. "Let's not try to kill him."

"No!" said Youngest Brother. "I will not stop."

Oldest Wolf Brother fell down. Third Brother fell down. Second Brother fell down. Lightning flashed. The beavers still sounded like thunder. Youngest Brother took the four-forked spear and tried to strike Big Beaver with it. It broke. He used the three-forked spear. It broke. He used the two-forked spear. It broke. Then he took his own one-forked spear. It did not break. It pierced the skin of Big Beaver and stayed there. Out of the lake, down the creek, and down Big River, Beaver swam, dragging Youngest Brother after it.

Youngest Wolf called to his brothers, "You stay here. If I do not return with Beaver in three days, you will know that I am dead." Three days later, all the animal persons gathered on a level place at the foot of the mountain. Soon they saw Youngest Brother coming. He had killed Beaver and was carrying it. "You remember that the Creator told us to cut it into twelve pieces," said Youngest Brother to the animal people. But he could divide it into only eleven pieces.

Then he gave directions. "Fox, you are a good runner. Hummingbird and Horsefly, you can fly fast. Take this piece of Beaver flesh over to that place and wake it up. Give it your breath." Youngest Brother gave other pieces to other animal people and told them where to go. They took the liver to Clearwater River, and it became the Nez Perce Indians. They took the heart across the mountains, and it became the Methow Indians. Other parts became the Spokane people, the Lake people, the Flathead people. Each of the eleven pieces became a different tribe.

"There have to be twelve tribes," said Youngest Brother. "Maybe the Creator thinks that we should use the blood for the last one. Take the blood across the Shining Mountains and wake it up over there. It will become the Blackfeet. They will always look for blood."

When an animal person woke the piece of Beaver flesh and breathed into it, he told the new human being what to do and what to eat. "Here are roots," and the animal people pointed to camas and kouse and to bitterroot, "You will dig them, cook them, and save them to eat in the winter.

"Here are the berries that will ripen in the summer. You will eat them and you will dry them for use in winter." The animal people pointed to chokecherry trees, to serviceberry bushes, and to huckleberry bushes.

"There are salmon in all the rivers. You will cook them and eat them when they come up the streams. And you will dry them to eat in the winter."

When all the tribes had been created, the animal people said to them "Some of you new people should go up Lake Chelan. Go up to the middle of the lake and look at the cliff beside the water. There you will see pictures on the rock. From the pictures you will learn how to make the things you will need."

The Creator had painted the pictures there, with red paint. From the beginning until long after the white people came, the Indians went to Lake Chelan and looked at the paintings. They saw pictures of bows and arrows and of salmon traps. From the paintings of the Creator they knew how to make the things they needed for getting their food.

Long, long ago, a great island floated in a giant ocean. This island hung from four thick ropes from the sky, which was solid rock. There were no peoples and it was always dark. The animals could not see so they got the sun and put it in a path that took it across the island from east to west each day. The animals and plants were told by the Great Spirit to stay awake for seven days and seven nights but most could not and slept. Those plants that did stay awake, such as the pine and cedar and those few others were rewarded by being allowed to remain green all year. All the others were made to lose their leaves each winter. Those animals that did stay awake, such as the owl and the mountain lion and those few others were rewarded with the ability to go about in the dark. Then the people appeared.

In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again.

When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

The more one reads of creation myths... the more mundane the dusty Adam and Lilith, er- meaty Eve are.

The Bad Thing of eating the Magic Fruit is not even overly unique. Humans all over the world have attempted to explain why they are different from animals.

[RandomGuy]

The more we study the human brain, and its foibles, the more we learn about why such mythology arises, and why gods tend to act su iously like humans.

"I am a jealous God" is, again, not a unique mythological trope. What need would a perfect being have for being worshiped or praised?

That is quite literally the best primitive man could come up with.

We can do better.

[RandomGuy]

He transcends our universe. You keep wanting to tie GOD down to the laws that govern our natural universe. He is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception. [1][2]

The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight (e.g., a reference to common sense) or an application of a double standard.

A difficult case is when a possible criticism is made relatively immune to investigation. This immunity may take the forms of:

unexplained claims of exemption from principles commonly thought relevant to the subject matter

Example: I'm not relying on faith in small probabilities here. These are slot machines, not roulette wheels. They are different.
claims to data that are inherently unverifiable, perhaps because too remote or impossible to define clearly

Example: Cocaine use should be legal. Like all drugs, it does have some adverse health effects, but cocaine is different from other drugs. Many have benefited from the effects of cocaine.

In the classic distinction among informal (material), psychological, and formal (logical) fallacies, special pleading most likely falls within the category of psychological fallacy, as it would seem to relate to "lip service", rationalization and diversion (abandonment of discussion). Special pleading also often resembles the "appeal to" logical fallacies.[3]

soph·ism
ˈsäfˌizəm/
noun
a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive.

Zeus is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Jupiter is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Coyote is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Nu and Naunet Nu are Supernatural and supersede the natural realm.

Ra is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Mbombo is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Coatlicue is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Tengri is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Umay is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Kayra is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Ainu is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Papa smurf is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

_________ is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Not a very convincing statement, when it comes to providing proof of the existence of something, or considering if an explanation is better than any other explanation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Zeus is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Jupiter is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Coyote is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Nu and Naunet Nu are Supernatural and supersede the natural realm.

Ra is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Mbombo is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Coatlicue is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Tengri is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Umay is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Kayra is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Ainu is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Papa smurf is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

_________ is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

Not a very convincing statement, when it comes to providing proof of the existence of something, or considering if an explanation is better than any other explanation.

But SCRIPTURE is special!

[Phenomanul]

More fail.

I don't really care about your personal interpretation of other verses that don't deal specifically with slavery. There are so many interpretations out there. That is a human construct.

I want to read it myself to see the Word of God.

Show me where God decided "slavery is evil" was as important as "mixed fabrics is bad". I'm sure Jesus thought not being evil was important. He talked about all sorts of things required to be a righteous person.

You are really being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about abortion
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about drug use
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about alcoholism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about domestic abuse
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about racism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about sexism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about any number of other issues.

That doesn't mean enough context can't be surmised from those things he did say:

IF HE specifically said,

"Love thy neighbor as thyself."

and

"Treat others the way you want to be treated."

NO WHERE WOULD that be an endorsement the cruel treatment of anyone else.

Only in your dense mind you want the specificity where CONTEXT is plenty.

You constantly define the framework of your criticisms so that you criticism can have any merit.

[RandomGuy]

You are really being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about abortion
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about drug use
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about alcoholism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about domestic abuse
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about racism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about sexism
JESUS isn't recorded as having talked about any number of other issues.

That doesn't mean enough context can't be surmised from those things he did say:

IF HE specifically said,

"Love thy neighbor as thyself."

and

"Treat others the way you want to be treated."

NO WHERE WOULD that be an endorsement the cruel treatment of anyone else.

Only in your dense mind you want the specificity where CONTEXT is plenty.

You constantly define the framework of your criticisms so that your criticism can have any merit.

I am using your framework.



"Context" when it comes to talking about the bible seems to have a floating definition.

In context: Anything in the bible that gives you a warm fuzzy.

Out of context: Inconvenient child slaughter, human sacrifice and foreskin collecting.

[Blake]

You're purposely avoiding bible god's hypocrisy/contradictions. Why is that

[RandomGuy]

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IF HE specifically said,

"Love thy neighbor as thyself."

and

"Treat others the way you want to be treated.".

So the only guidance is to be nice to my slaves.

Gotcha.

Jesus talked plenty about slavery. He just never said it was bad.

Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:

Now a centurion had a slave who was dear to him, who was sick and at the point of death. When he heard of Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his slave. And when they came to Jesus, they besought him earnestly, saying, "He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he built us our synagogue." And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying to him, "Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. For I am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my slave, 'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this he marveled at him, and turned and said to the mul ude that followed him, "I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith." And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave well.

Had a chance to say "slavery is bad".

Didnt'.

[RandomGuy]

Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily...

[RandomGuy]

us, chapter 2 verse 9:

Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity.

[RandomGuy]

Claim: The Bible never says a word against owning people as property.

This claim is specific and simple to refute in principle – all it would take is a Bible verse that says something along the lines of Article 4 of the United Nation’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 4: No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

[RandomGuy]

Exodus 20:17 (NRSV)

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

God doesn't want me to covet my neighbors slaves and views them a property. Check.

[RandomGuy]

1 Timothy 6:1-5 (NRSV)

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base su ions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

Christian slaves, obey your masters well – and obey your Christian masters especially well. Anyone who teaches otherwise is going against the words of Jesus, and has a morbid craving for disputes about words.

[RandomGuy]

us 2:9-10,15 (NRSV)

Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. … Declare these things; exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one look down on you.

Christian slaves, be submissive to your masters. This teaching should be exhorted with authority. Do not let anyone look down on you for advocating slavery.

[Phenomanul]

Original sin is another moral abomination.

You don't understand what 'original sin' means. It means our physical bodies have been tarnished by the effects of sin. They are no longer pure. We must die because of original sin. Were it not for the disobedience of Adam and Eve, our physical lives could have been immortal. Entropy exists because of the introduction of sin into our world.

Holding someone responsible for the crimes of others is evil.

Says the guy that doesn't even want to make them accountable for their own crimes.

Human sacrifice for the crimes of others is a moral abomination.

It is pretty much the kind of sick thing that barbarians thousands of years ago would imagine as part of their God Idea.

Blood atonement was not the preferred method for the remission of sins - it became necessary though due to the hardness of man's heart.

The sacrificial system created a horrific, lasting image of how much GOD despised sin... GOD prefers genuine repentance... In fact, the message of the Bible is replete with the preaching of repentance for the forgiveness of sins... For example, when Nineveh was spared judgment from GOD, the city repented and their sins were forgiven - NO blood atonement was offered.

A fall from grace is not really all that original in terms of mythological themes. It is simply a common trope in the attempt to understand why bad things happen.

The more one reads of creation myths... the more mundane the dusty Adam and Lilith, er- meaty Eve are.

The Bad Thing of eating the Magic Fruit is not even overly unique. Humans all over the world have attempted to explain why they are different from animals.

It's silly that you've hardened your heart to the extent that you would waste your time looking up all that stuff.

If YOU want to place them on equal footing with Christianity go right ahead - even while the scriptures are the most validated work from ancient antiquity. I'd like to see you try and subject them to the same scrutiny you kept insisting on for the Christian manuscripts that actually exist.

As I read those, only one of those sounds like it can explain the big bang singularity. None of the others do. And the one that did, you'd have to prove that said language existed prior to the Genesis account.

The Torah account from Genesis not only describes the singularity but begins with language that lays the groundwork for the modern understanding of physics (Time, Matter, Space -- all resulting from an Action/Cause). "A Physics Book" was never the intent of the Scripture but for the Book of Genesis to open up with this language is still significant.

[RandomGuy]

Looks like I found quite a bit in the bible about slavery.

Just nothing that says its bad.

That seems to be enough context for me to decide God thinks slavery is ok.

I do not think slavery is ok. My moral code holds that is evil to deny rights of self direction.

Again, my moral code is superior to the bible god.

Why?

Because bible God is a fiction, designed by human beings who also thought slavery was ok. If they saw nothing wrong with the concept, why should the God they made up?

Bible God not saying anything about slavery being inherently bad fully supports that theory.

That is why you scream context to deflect the topic towards being nice to neighbors.

[RandomGuy]

It means our physical bodies have been tarnished by the effects of sin. They are no longer pure. We must die because of original sin. Were it not for the disobedience of Adam and Eve, our physical lives could have been immortal. Entropy exists because of the introduction of sin into our world.

Prove that statement. Any of it.

That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

The concept of original sin remains an abomination. I have to die because someone else made a mistake. That punishes me with a limited lifespan for the crimes of someone else.

[Phenomanul]

So the only guidance is to be nice to my slaves.

Gotcha.

Jesus talked plenty about slavery. He just never said it was bad.



Had a chance to say "slavery is bad".

Didnt'.

"JESUS talked plenty about slavery"

PRESENTS only one passage. The ONLY such reference.

"where He had a chance to say it was bad"

Such was the love of the master towards his 'slave' that he physically sought JESUS out to plead for the healing of the latter. Yeah what a cruel abominable master.

Yeah, you're not disingenuous at all.

And you clearly don't understand the nature of slavery in the context of that story. We don't know if said person received wages for serving the Centurion (as was customary in many parts). Or if the person was offered a roof over their head for work... You assume too much just for the sake of trying to plead for the groundwork of your cut-and-paste argument.

[RandomGuy]

Holding someone responsible for the crimes of others is evil.

Says the guy that doesn't even want to make them accountable for their own crimes. .

Fallacy: Straw Man

Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and subs utes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not cons ute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

I have never advocated not holding someone responsible for their own actions. I hold that we should hold people accountable for their own actions.

soph·ism
ˈsäfˌizəm/
noun
a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive.

[Phenomanul]

I have never advocated not holding someone responsible for their own actions. I hold that we should hold people accountable for their own actions.

soph·ism
ˈsäfˌizəm/
noun
a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive.

"JESUS talks plenty about slavery."

Just take your lies elsewhere.