Spurs Sets for Lamarcus Aldridge Video

[ceperez]

Many teams have won with a wing player as their best player. Kawhi is our best bet. Haven't had a top 2 player in the league since prime Duncan.

Kawhi isn't even in his prime yet. Like not even close. We got 8 years of prime Kawhi in the next couple of years. Lets make the best system early. Dumb to make one around LMA and then change it later when he gets old.

Here's the problem, Spurs only have one top player. Everyone else looks pedestrian.

[Chinook]

Dumb to make one around LMA and then change it later when he gets old.

Why?

[dabom]

Why?

Many teams have won with a wing player as their best player. Kawhi is our best bet. Haven't had a top 2 player in the league since prime Duncan.

Kawhi isn't even in his prime yet. Like not even close. We got 8 years of prime Kawhi in the next couple of years. Lets make the best system early. Dumb to make one around LMA and then change it later when he gets old.

[Chinook]

I meant to say mid-range contested jumpers.

I meant to hint that LMA taking the open 3 point shot vs taking an open 2 point shot. The other poster (cjw) picked up on my intention.

ST decided to delete my response. But the gist was that LMA's jumpers are only contested because he hesitates and LMA shooting threes is bad for the offense (takes the primary option away from the basket and makes Tim play lower than he should) and for the defense (forces a guard below the FTLE, which damages transition). Occasional corner shots are one thing. Parking LMA at the wing in a PnP is another.

[Chinook]

That explains nothing. If LMA is a better guy to build an offense around now, you do it and figure out what to do when he gets old later. We're not talking about building around Tim, here. LMA should still be good by the time everyone's contracts are up.

And as far as teams winning with a wing as their best player, you have Jordan and then crickets. Bird MIGHT count, but that was an NBA where SFs were just shorter PFs and the three was considered a sissy shot.

[dabom]

That explains nothing. If LMA is a better guy to build an offense around now, you do it and figure out what to do when he gets old later. We're not talking about building around Tim, here. LMA should still be good by the time everyone's contracts are up.

And as far as teams winning with a wing as their best player, you have Jordan and then crickets. Bird MIGHT count, but that was an NBA where SFs were just shorter PFs and the three was considered a sissy shot.

But LMA is not better to build it around over Kawhi.

Kawhi is the 4th best ISO player in the game. I don't even know how force feeding LMA the ball helps this team right now.

[ceperez]

ST decided to delete my response. But the gist was that LMA's jumpers are only contested because he hesitates and LMA shooting threes is bad for the offense (takes the primary option away from the basket and makes Tim play lower than he should) and for the defense (forces a guard below the FTLE, which damages transition). Occasional corner shots are one thing. Parking LMA at the wing in a PnP is another.

I disagree. LMA choosing not to take the open 2 mid-range shot and dribbling to a posting up instead should never be an option.

[DMC]

Those plays are almost impossible to defend against because there are too many other options that are less desirable to the opponent than what they are giving up at that point. Aldridge is still being contested sometimes by two people he's just good enough often enough to make that shot. I'm sure they would not prefer Danny Green get a wide open 3 or that Kawhi Leonard get one from the other side.

[DMC]

But LMA is not better to build it around over Kawhi.

Kawhi is the 4th best ISO player in the game. I don't even know how force feeding LMA the ball helps this team right now.

You don't build your offense around Isolation play. At least good teams don't.

[dabom]

You don't build your offense around Isolation play. At least good teams don't.

That is still the first requirement. He doesn't even pass that. Why go any further?

[DMC]

Many teams have won with a wing player as their best player. Kawhi is our best bet. Haven't had a top 2 player in the league since prime Duncan.

Kawhi isn't even in his prime yet. Like not even close. We got 8 years of prime Kawhi in the next couple of years. Lets make the best system early. Dumb to make one around LMA and then change it later when he gets old.

You know absolutely nothing about basketball plus you're an obvious ty troll. You and all your other accounts should shut the up. It's like watching a a re ed child finger paint in his .

[ceperez]

Those plays are almost impossible to defend against because there are too many other options that are less desirable to the opponent than what they are giving up at that point. Aldridge is still being contested sometimes by two people he's just good enough often enough to make that shot. I'm sure they would not prefer Danny Green get a wide open 3 or that Kawhi Leonard get one from the other side.

Aldridge with a contested shot is the most desirable play for the defense. He's like 29% on pull-ups.

Matter of fact, any shot from Aldridge outside of the paint is desirable. When Aldridge has the ball, there aren't any secondary options because he can't pass. It is either he takes the shot or Spurs have to reset the offense.

One of the best defensive plays for the offense is to give Aldridge enough space to receive the ball, but enough space to slightly contest the shot. This results in a pump fake half the time and a 29% shooting percentage. Spurs fans have to realize that LMA is like a Enes Kanter player that we are paying 5 million more per season. Heck, Kanter is a more efficient player!

[dabom]

You know absolutely nothing about basketball plus you're an obvious ty troll. You and all your other accounts should shut the up. It's like watching a a re ed child finger paint in his .

Shut up got. Stay in cali puss. I obviously hit a cord with you got. Can't back it up I guess?

[apalisoc_9]

Defenses today are much more concenred defending the three pointers or the perimeter in general and this is specially true with defenses whose teams take a bunch of three pointers in the offense.

The issue is that LMA halfcourt offense has been horrendous to say this least, and the post ups in general have been so bad as pointed out by Harlem and Kawhistorm. Ive said the same thing a month ago.

Defenses are allowing the bigs to go one on one for the most part and even if they do score 48% two pointers is much preferable than 38% three pointers.

By using the bigs you force the defense to react. The problem right now, LMA is so poor at passing out that the SL isnt really getting any advantage of it and many times he doesnt have the option to pass out because the defenses dont react.

The spurs rely heavily on defenses reacting to their offense. They are Godlike in terms of taking advantage of that but its pretty evident when they dont react like in 4th quarter siuations the offense becomes hideous.

But by God if anyone has seens the results of LMA post ups and still want that to be the foundation pf the offense they probably must have sniffed coke of koo aid mans bzutthole tbh.

[dabom]

What is it with all this BOLD on BOLD white knighting? That's obviously what happened with DMC.

I'm sure Chinook can handle himself.

[dabom]

Defenses today are much more concenred defending the three pointers or the perimeter in general and this is specially true with defenses whose teams take a bunch of three pointers in the offense.

The issue is that LMA halfcourt offense has been horrendous to say this least, and the post ups in general have been so bad as pointed out by Harlem and Kawhistorm. Ive said the same thing a month ago.

Defenses are allowing the bigs to go one on one for the most part and even if they do score 48% two pointers is much preferable than 38% three pointers.

By using the bigs you force the defense to react. The problem right now, LMA is so poor at passing out that the SL isnt really getting any advantage of it and many times he doesnt have the option to pass out because the defenses dont react.

The spurs rely heavily on defenses reacting to their offense. They are Godlike in terms of taking advantage of that but its pretty evident when they dont react like in 4th quarter siuations the offense becomes hideous.

But by God if anyone has seens the results of LMA post ups and still want that to be the foundation pf the offense they probably must have sniffed coke of koo aid mans bzutthole tbh.

[Chinook]

But by God if anyone has seens the results of LMA post ups and still want that to be the foundation pf the offense they probably must have sniffed coke of koo aid mans bzutthole tbh.

I mean, there's a difference between just running a four-down and having LMA duck in for deep post position after a screen. The former is horrendous offense. The latter is pretty much an ideal first option.

[Chinook]

I disagree. LMA choosing not to take the open 2 mid-range shot and dribbling to a posting up instead should never be an option.

That's about him hesitating, not about where he is on the court. You think him turning down an open three to dribble into a post-up is better?

[Chinook]

Aldridge with a contested shot is the most desirable play for the defense. He's like 29% on pull-ups.

Matter of fact, any shot from Aldridge outside of the paint is desirable. When Aldridge has the ball, there aren't any secondary options because he can't pass. It is either he takes the shot or Spurs have to reset the offense.

One of the best defensive plays for the offense is to give Aldridge enough space to receive the ball, but enough space to slightly contest the shot. This results in a pump fake half the time and a 29% shooting percentage. Spurs fans have to realize that LMA is like a Enes Kanter player that we are paying 5 million more per season. Heck, Kanter is a more efficient player!

Getting into #ceperez territory. Not gonna lie.

[apalisoc_9]

I mean, there's a difference between just running a four-down and having LMA duck in for deep post position after a screen. The former is horrendous offense. The latter is pretty much an ideal first option.

Way to be predicatble.

Duck deep used consistently. You realize thats an easy offense to stop if defenses actually focus on stopping it.

The reason why thoses high lows are so efficient is because of Parker penetration and Leonard and Green gravity.

[Chinook]

Way to be predicatble.

Duck deep used consistently. You realize thats an easy offense to stop if defenses actually focus on stopping it.

The reason why thoses high lows are so efficient is because of Parker penetration and Leonard and Green gravity.

High-lows are effective because they almost completely take the defender out of the play. You end up with the big with no on between him and the basket. And because the other big is 20 feet from the basket, the only available help comes from smalls. There's no guarantee that the help guy can even stop a high-low alley-oop, which is something the Spurs run pretty often with Tim and LMA. You're right that teams don't want to leave Green or Leonard open by giving hard help, but it's obviously not that simple.

The way you defend the high-low is by face-guarding the high big or even better by not fronting the post. But then you run into the issues that causes -- especially for a player like Draymond who's historically struggled checking LMA one-on-one. So then you have to help traditionally, which leaves the entry-passer open or allows lanes for cut-ins and duck-ins.

I don't disagree that four-downing LMA or even letting him work a lot one-on-one is a bad idea. But his post-gravity is the straw that stirs the drink right now.

[apalisoc_9]

High-lows are effective because they almost completely take the defender out of the play. You end up with the big with no on between him and the basket. And because the other big is 20 feet from the basket, the only available help comes from smalls. There's no guarantee that the help guy can even stop a high-low alley-oop, which is something the Spurs run pretty often with Tim and LMA. You're right that teams don't want to leave Green or Leonard open by giving hard help, but it's obviously not that simple.

The way you defend the high-low is by face-guarding the high big or even better by not fronting the post. But then you run into the issues that causes -- especially for a player like Draymond who's historically struggled checking LMA one-on-one. So then you have to help traditionally, which leaves the entry-passer open or allows lanes for cut-ins and duck-ins.

I don't disagree that four-downing LMA or even letting him work a lot one-on-one is a bad idea. But his post-gravity is the straw that stirs the drink right now.

His post gravity? Are you serious?

He has zero gravity. Zero. The defenses since december have allowed him to do whatever. It might have been different at the start of the season but as the season progressed with Kawhi rise and Parker rejuvenated offense and respectable three the Gravity you speak off has been virtually zero. Thats exactly why you see him try getting foul calls on fakes because the defenders stay with their man and hes left to isolate which is a recipe for disaster.

The ONLY player that commands a double team nowadys is Leonard. If you even bothered watching the latest Denver Game kawhi posting up resulted in so many easy baskets.

The influences you think Aldridge still has on post over opponet perimeter defenders ONLY apply to Leonard now as teams are starting to realize his inefficient play.

If teams can relegate San Antonio to 40% ny forcing Aldridge to Iso and staying with their man, they would do it.

The deadliest the SL offense has looked is when Tony and Leonard are playing a two man game and its not even close.

[Chinook]

His post gravity? Are you serious?

He has zero gravity. Zero. The defenses since december have allowed him to do whatever. It might have been different at the start of the season but as the season progressed with Kawhi rise and Parker rejuvenated offense and respectable three the Gravity you speak off has been virtually zero. Thats exactly why you see him try getting foul calls on fakes because the defenders stay with their man and hes left to isolate which is a recipe for disaster.

The ONLY player that commands a double team nowadys is Leonard. If you even bothered watching the latest Denver Game kawhi posting up resulted in so many easy baskets.

The influences you think Aldridge still has on post over opponet perimeter defenders ONLY apply to Leonard now as teams are starting to realize his inefficient play.

If teams can relegate San Antonio to 40% ny forcing Aldridge to Iso and staying with their man, they would do it.

The deadliest the SL offense has looked is when Tony and Leonard are playing a two man game and its not even close.

If you're going to come here and say that Aldridge doesn't get doubled, I really don't know what to tell you. I do know that over the past few weeks, he's been eating players alive when he's gotten the ball in good position. And I can also tell you that Leonard is still being left open or guarded one-on-one quite a bit. That's an obvious mistake by teams, but it's one that keeps happening.

I just think it's absurd for you to assert that post gravity isn't a factor. It's ALWAYS a factor, even if you suck at the post. Teams will always rotate to protect the paint. It's just basketball. I don't disagree that teams aren't trying to force LMA to take bad contested shot. They want Leonard to do the same thing. But I'm pretty certain that they aren't saying, "If Aldridge gets the ball, just let him get his fill."

And again, despite the fact that Aldridge is clearly getting first-option plays called for him, and despite your observation that teams are letting LMA take as many bad shots as he wants, Kawhi and Parker are having either career or unexpectedly good years. So it seems clear that Leonard plays very well when the team focuses on feeding LaMarcus first.

[dabom]

If you're going to come here and say that Aldridge doesn't get doubled, I really don't know what to tell you. I do know that over the past few weeks, he's been eating players alive when he's gotten the ball in good position. And I can also tell you that Leonard is still being left open or guarded one-on-one quite a bit. That's an obvious mistake by teams, but it's one that keeps happening.

I just think it's absurd for you to assert that post gravity isn't a factor. It's ALWAYS a factor, even if you suck at the post. Teams will always rotate to protect the paint. It's just basketball. I don't disagree that teams aren't trying to force LMA to take bad contested shot. They want Leonard to do the same thing. But I'm pretty certain that they aren't saying, "If Aldridge gets the ball, just let him get his fill."

And again, despite the fact that Aldridge is clearly getting first-option plays called for him, and despite your observation that teams are letting LMA take as many bad shots as he wants, Kawhi and Parker are having either career or unexpectedly good years. So it seems clear that Leonard plays very well when the team focuses on feeding LaMarcus first.

Just no.

[dabom]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Power Forwards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Draymond Green	GS	29	35.0	3.02	4.43	7.45	7.15
2	Paul Millsap	ATL	32	33.1	3.96	2.77	6.73	6.47
3	Channing Frye	ORL	25	18.2	1.93	3.24	5.17	2.35
4	Kevin Love	CLE	28	32.6	3.70	1.32	5.02	4.52
5	Chris Bosh	MIA	29	33.1	2.56	2.36	4.92	4.75
6	DeMarcus Cousins	SAC	22	33.4	1.31	3.12	4.43	3.52
7	Blake Griffin	LAC	30	34.9	3.18	0.90	4.08	4.85
8	Dirk Nowitzki	DAL	29	30.2	3.12	0.47	3.59	3.67
9	Anthony Davis	NO	27	36.4	-0.30	3.71	3.41	4.16
10	Marvin Williams	CHA	29	30.1	0.91	1.72	2.63	3.17
11	Clint Capela	HOU	31	20.7	-0.35	2.84	2.49	2.32
12	Amir Johnson	BOS	29	23.5	-0.25	2.63	2.38	2.34
13	David West	SA	32	15.8	-0.69	3.04	2.35	1.76
14	Kevin Garnett	MIN	26	15.2	-1.80	4.12	2.32	1.39
15	Derrick Favors	UTAH	26	32.6	0.79	1.41	2.20	2.74
16	Kristaps Porzingis	NY	32	27.5	-0.14	2.08	1.94	2.67
17	Mike Scott	ATL	26	12.8	1.02	0.40	1.42	0.93
18	Dwight Powell	DAL	29	18.4	-1.36	2.78	1.42	1.56
19	Nikola Mirotic	CHI	28	23.6	0.34	0.88	1.22	1.84
20	James Johnson	TOR	25	14.3	-0.17	1.39	1.22	0.96
21	Taj Gibson	CHI	28	23.3	-0.73	1.91	1.18	1.72
22	Jon Leuer	PHX	32	21.3	-0.30	1.19	0.89	1.76
23	Spencer Hawes	CHA	27	17.0	-0.87	1.68	0.81	1.12
24	Marcus Morris	DET	31	36.8	0.14	0.62	0.76	2.68
25	Carl Landry	PHI	2	18.0	-0.73	1.43	0.70	0.09
26	LaMarcus Aldridge	SA	30	29.6	-1.00	1.58	0.58	2.05

We should make this guy our focal point?