Spurs Sets for Lamarcus Aldridge Video

[apalisoc_9]

If you're going to come here and say that Aldridge doesn't get doubled, I really don't know what to tell you. I do know that over the past few weeks, he's been eating players alive when he's gotten the ball in good position. And I can also tell you that Leonard is still being left open or guarded one-on-one quite a bit. That's an obvious mistake by teams, but it's one that keeps happening.

I just think it's absurd for you to assert that post gravity isn't a factor. It's ALWAYS a factor, even if you suck at the post. Teams will always rotate to protect the paint. It's just basketball. I don't disagree that teams aren't trying to force LMA to take bad contested shot. They want Leonard to do the same thing. But I'm pretty certain that they aren't saying, "If Aldridge gets the ball, just let him get his fill."

And again, despite the fact that Aldridge is clearly getting first-option plays called for him, and despite your observation that teams are letting LMA take as many bad shots as he wants, Kawhi and Parker are having either career or unexpectedly good years. So it seems clear that Leonard plays very well when the team focuses on feeding LaMarcus first.

Aldridge isnt getting doubled, not anymore no. None of the better coached teams have doubled Aldridge. Heck even the denver game they didnt double team him.

Post Gravity is not a factor when the post player is inefficient.

You really gonna seat there and tell me Aldridge Post ups is generating good looks for the team? That's absurd. I find it difficult to believe anyone who has watched Aldridge.post up this year and saw the result would genuinly want those plays to be the foundation of the offense.

The spurs have less possesions now as a team. Have less tranition offense than years past and play more half court offense. The only legitimate options for Lamarcus to be.the focal point are post ups and pops and rolls..the former being inefficient the latter two hardly used.

The point I am.making is that offenses rely on defenses to react to get great looks. In the last month teams have not bothered reacting to him. Alot of it has to do with how well Leonard is shooting the three and how Parker can shoot the three now. They are staying put.

Teams today would.generally just let a post player go to work as opposed to helping.

[dabom]

He doesn't have this imaginary pull at all. He doesn't make his teammates better on offense.

I do like the raw production though. There can be something said about that.

[Nathan89]

LMA is alright in near the rim. How often can he really get good position is a concern of mine.

[DAF86]

If you mean that you don't think one player is going to get the majority of the touches, then I agree. But if you mean you don't think one player is going to one who is the first option on the majority of the plays, I disagree. As that video showed, the Spurs pretty much have LMA as the their top option every time down the floor. Teams having to guard against that helps the Spurs run their sets better. A Green-to-LMA entry pass is like Gravity City. Leonard and to a lesser extent Parker can get their points just by being great scorers. But the opponents are game-planning to stop Aldridge.

lol what?

First of all, that video can't show what the Spurs do everytime down the court 'cause the video isn't call "Every Spurs set". It is called "Spurs sets for LaMarcus Aldridge", that's why you see him getting the ball everytime. If they make a video called "Spurs sets for Kawhi Leonard" you will see Leonard getting the ball everytime, tbh.

And second, do you even watch the games? LMA can go six, seven, eight minutes without even touching the ball. He doesn't even come close to "being the first option on the majority of the plays", tbh.

[Chinook]

lol what?

First of all, that video can't show what the Spurs do everytime down the court 'cause the video isn't call "Every Spurs set". It is called "Spurs sets for LaMarcus Aldridge", that's why you see him getting the ball everytime. If they make a video called "Spurs sets for Kawhi Leonard" you will see Leonard getting the ball everytime, tbh.

And second, do you even watch the games? LMA can go six, seven, eight minutes without even touching the ball. He doesn't even come close to "being the first option on the majority of the plays", tbh.

There's a difference between getting the lion's share of touches and being the first option. I've said as much consistently in this thread. The Spurs look to get LMA the ball almost every time down the court. If he isn't open, they do something else. He usually isn't open. That's what it means to be a first OPTION.

[DAF86]

There's a difference between getting the lion's share of touches and being the first option. I've said as much consistently in this thread. The Spurs look to get LMA the ball almost every time down the court. If he isn't open, they do something else. He usually isn't open. That's what it means to be a first OPTION.

I don't see it dog. Yeah, there's sometimes where our guards try to feed LMA the ball but they don't have the guts/skill to make the entry pass and they swing the ball away (way too quickly, imho. But that's another argument) but that doesn't happen enough times to say that LMA "is the first option the majority of the plays". And I know because I have been ing all season long about LMA not getting enough plays called form him (whether he actually gets the ball or not).

[coachmac87]

Chinook is punking everybody on this topic.

[dabom]

Chinook is punking everybody on this topic.

Go back to that hole you came from.

[RD2191]

Yeah, because teams built around LMA have had huge success in the playoffs.

[Chinook]

Aldridge isnt getting doubled, not anymore no. None of the better coached teams have doubled Aldridge. Heck even the denver game they didnt double team him.

The doubled him quite a bit actually. Did they completely commit to the double? No. And teams haven't completely committed to the Kawhi double very often, either. It's not like teams are doing with Curry where they're sending two guys after him as soon as he crosses half-court. Both are being left open to work against their man the majority of the time.

Post Gravity is not a factor when the post player is inefficient.

It's always a factor because players are taught to protect the paint. , Green's back-door last game was because Barton was staring at the paint and not at his man. Number can tell you that you want LMA to post up. The players' instincts tell me to dig in anyway and leave their men open. It would all look a lot better if Danny took a page out of Kawhi's book and fired whenever he is open. Everything would look better.

You really gonna seat there and tell me Aldridge Post ups is generating good looks for the team? That's absurd. I find it difficult to believe anyone who has watched Aldridge.post up this year and saw the result would genuinly want those plays to be the foundation of the offense.

I've been pretty against non-Diaw post-ups for a while now, especially if they're not off movement. But the duck-ins or deep post-ups shown in that video are exceptions. What LMA does that I don't like is trying to back guys down from the elbow. I didn't like it when Kawhi was doing it last year, and I like it even less now that LMA is doing it. You need better position, you re-post.

The spurs have less possesions now as a team. Have less tranition offense than years past and play more half court offense. The only legitimate options for Lamarcus to be.the focal point are post ups and pops and rolls..the former being inefficient the latter two hardly used.

He could also come off screens. , even Tim does that. And he's clearly not a bad roll-man.

The point I am.making is that offenses rely on defenses to react to get great looks. In the last month teams have not bothered reacting to him. Alot of it has to do with how well Leonard is shooting the three and how Parker can shoot the three now. They are staying put.

So the Spurs are 12-2 this month, LMA has a higher PPG and FG% than he did, and yet teams are realizing he's inefficient and leaving him alone? Do you not see how strange that is? And the Spurs are up to third-best offense by ORtg, so it seems like they're playing pretty well on that end now. They'll probably move up to second now that Green is resembling something of his old form.

[YGWHI]

I think i prefer all those plays over a Kawhi post up.

Nothing against Kawhi, but his offense provokes nothing, the defense itself collapses on the paint making almost impossible for us to get an offensive rebound and the worst part is that our best defender is not there for the defensive transition.

It's not about how the Spurs choose to score. It's about how the Spurs choose to make teams defend them. You want teams to have to put get a big down to check LMA every time down the court. You want to force teams to bring that second big over to help in the post. You want teams to leave the PnR ball-handler open because they can't rotate off LMA. These are things that Leonard and Parker simply can't do.

Not sure that Kawhi's offense provokes nothing or not provoke teams to leave our other guys open...In fact Parker, LMA, and most of our reserves have taken advantage of Kawhi getting double teamed this season, scoring easy points.

Making the life easier for his teammates seems a part of Kawhi's offense very underrated...

I think you have to find ways to initiate the offense for Kawhi in other ways than the post up, you can get him off the curl, or teach him how to play the pick and roll. But the problem with the current use is that it has almost no spacing and he seems to take an awful lot of time doing his Kobe thing.

Even when Kawhi's post up are known for consistently high efficiency, he's #4 in the whole league...his spot up plays Freq doubled his post up plays.

But agree with you that it would be nice to see Kawhi involved in pick and roll situations more often, or watch him shooting off the screen since he has strong numbers in those plays too, sadly it isn't the way the Spurs play him.

That's related to the personnel, with Manu/Parker on the court it makes sense that Pop still prefers them to run the PnR but at some point of Kawhi's career we'll see him in that role.

[DAF86]

Chinook is punking everybody on this topic.

Punking everybody by making a very suspect claim that can't be backed by actual facts?

[Chinook]

I don't see it dog. Yeah, there's sometimes where our guards try to feed LMA the ball but they don't have the guts/skill to make the entry pass and they swing the ball away (way too quickly, imho. But that's another argument) but that doesn't happen enough times to say that LMA "is the first option the majority of the plays". And I know because I have been ing all season long about LMA not getting enough plays called form him (whether he actually gets the ball or not).

Look at it this way: How early do you know someone's broken up the Hammer play? Do you only know once the shooter has to pass the ball away? Do you know after the pass gets deflected? What about when the defender slips behind the hammer screen? It could even be when the initial hand-off is botched. Any of those cases break up a play where Green, or Kawhi or Patty was the first option. Same goes for a PnR where the roll-man gets bumped and the ball goes to the helper's man instead. Or when a player comes off a down-screen only to see a switch, and the ball goes to the other wing. Those players don't have to touch the ball to be the first options.

Essentially, the Spurs are saying, "You have to stop LMA before you worry about the rest of us." And that's a principle reason why the Spurs' offense looks unstoppable when LMA looks good. It was like Green last year -- where if he was getting open looks, you knew the other team's gamplan was shot to and the Spurs were going to jog to victory.

[DAF86]

Look at it this way: How early do you know someone's broken up the Hammer play? Do you only know once the shooter has to pass the ball away? Do you know after the pass gets deflected? What about when the defender slips behind the hammer screen? It could even be when the initial hand-off is botched. Any of those cases break up a play where Green, or Kawhi or Patty was the first option. Same goes for a PnR where the roll-man gets bumped and the ball goes to the helper's man instead. Or when a player comes off a down-screen only to see a switch, and the ball goes to the other wing. Those players don't have to touch the ball to be the first options.

Essentially, the Spurs are saying, "You have to stop LMA before you worry about the rest of us." And that's a principle reason why the Spurs' offense looks unstoppable when LMA looks good. It was like Green last year -- where if he was getting open looks, you knew the other team's gamplan was shot to and the Spurs were going to jog to victory.

I know what you are trying to say. I know my basketball too, I know that there are many times where the play is called for someone but depending on how the other team defends that specific play another player ends up getting the look thanks to the attention the guy for whom the play was originally called for got without the need of him even getting the ball. But even undestranding all this and knowing almost all the Spurs plays by heart I just don't see this thing you see about LMA being the "first option of the majority of the plays", I just really don't see it.

[Chinook]

I know what you are trying to say. I know my basketball too, I know that there are many times where the play is called for someone but depending on how the other team defense that specific play another player ends up getting the look thanks to the attention the guy for whom the play was originally called for got without the need of him even getting the ball. But even undestranding all this and knowing almost all the Spurs plays by heart I just don't see this thing you see about LMA being the "first option of the majority of the plays", I just really don't see it.

I guess it would be more appropriate of me to say, "sets" rather than "plays." The Spurs are looking for LMA every time down the floor, but I don't think their ideal offense is trying to give him the ball at all costs every time down the floor. In fact, the point of plays for the most part is to give guys looks who don't get them reliably from the offense. In that sense, I don't think high-lowing is actually a play (like the Hammer is) as much as it's just a contingency of the defense.

[spursistan]

He doesn't have this imaginary pull at all. He doesn't make his teammates better on offense.

I do like the raw production though. There can be something said about that.

Though he has never been a great passer, he's been underwhelming relative to the expectation in Spurs system...his ASSISTS per 36 are at a career low if you disregard his rookie season..that's just something that i expected he would be improving inhere; instead he been mostly doing "hot potato" stuff ((with Green for most part) with the ball instead of trying to make a play..

[dabom]

Though he has never been a great passer, he's been underwhelming relative to the expectation in Spurs system...his ASSISTS per 36 are at a career low if you disregard his rookie season..that's just something that i expected he would be improving inhere; instead he been mostly doing "hot potato" stuff ((with Green for most part) with the ball instead of trying to make a play..

He's a good raw numbers guy for the RS. He does his share and keeping the load off the old guys. But he isn't a better first option than Kawhi and never will.

Kawhi should have a system in place to take advantage of his prime instead of giving it to an inefficient first banana then changing it away when he gets old.

[ceperez]

Defenses today are much more concenred defending the three pointers or the perimeter in general and this is specially true with defenses whose teams take a bunch of three pointers in the offense.

The issue is that LMA halfcourt offense has been horrendous to say this least, and the post ups in general have been so bad as pointed out by Harlem and Kawhistorm. Ive said the same thing a month ago.

Defenses are allowing the bigs to go one on one for the most part and even if they do score 48% two pointers is much preferable than 38% three pointers.

By using the bigs you force the defense to react. The problem right now, LMA is so poor at passing out that the SL isnt really getting any advantage of it and many times he doesnt have the option to pass out because the defenses dont react.

The spurs rely heavily on defenses reacting to their offense. They are Godlike in terms of taking advantage of that but its pretty evident when they dont react like in 4th quarter siuations the offense becomes hideous.

But by God if anyone has seens the results of LMA post ups and still want that to be the foundation pf the offense they probably must have sniffed coke of koo aid mans bzutthole tbh.

Agree entirely!

[Mr Bones]

I honestly don't think there needs to be an "alpha" on offense... At the beginning of the season I thought that having both Kawhi & LMA average between 15-18 FGA per game would be ideal... I still feel that way. LMA is just below 14 FGA per and Kawhi is just above 15 FGA per, so they're headed in that direction. Kawhi's assist numbers for the the first 10 games were worrying, but he has adjusted beautifully to being a prime option on O. LMA's FG% for December is better than his FG% for November & better than his career FG% average, so that's really encouraging too... If Green gets his 3ptFG% back to his standard 40%, the Spurs can be pretty scary & efficient on that side of the court.

[ceperez]

Though he has never been a great passer, he's been underwhelming relative to the expectation in Spurs system...his ASSISTS per 36 are at a career low if you disregard his rookie season..that's just something that i expected he would be improving inhere; instead he been mostly doing "hot potato" stuff ((with Green for most part) with the ball instead of trying to make a play..

He can't pass, the entire league knows this. He shoots at a low percentage, the entire league knows this. Anyone who takes the time to run the numbers can figure this out.

The numbers: http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...EVIATION*E*SAS

So I find it completely beyond comprehension why someone would argue that his LMA's presence draws the defense. The only time that happens if he's right inside the paint. Unfortunately, he's soft so he avoids that kind of dirty work.

[ceperez]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Power Forwards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Draymond Green	GS	29	35.0	3.02	4.43	7.45	7.15
2	Paul Millsap	ATL	32	33.1	3.96	2.77	6.73	6.47
3	Channing Frye	ORL	25	18.2	1.93	3.24	5.17	2.35
4	Kevin Love	CLE	28	32.6	3.70	1.32	5.02	4.52
5	Chris Bosh	MIA	29	33.1	2.56	2.36	4.92	4.75
6	DeMarcus Cousins	SAC	22	33.4	1.31	3.12	4.43	3.52
7	Blake Griffin	LAC	30	34.9	3.18	0.90	4.08	4.85
8	Dirk Nowitzki	DAL	29	30.2	3.12	0.47	3.59	3.67
9	Anthony Davis	NO	27	36.4	-0.30	3.71	3.41	4.16
10	Marvin Williams	CHA	29	30.1	0.91	1.72	2.63	3.17
11	Clint Capela	HOU	31	20.7	-0.35	2.84	2.49	2.32
12	Amir Johnson	BOS	29	23.5	-0.25	2.63	2.38	2.34
13	David West	SA	32	15.8	-0.69	3.04	2.35	1.76
14	Kevin Garnett	MIN	26	15.2	-1.80	4.12	2.32	1.39
15	Derrick Favors	UTAH	26	32.6	0.79	1.41	2.20	2.74
16	Kristaps Porzingis	NY	32	27.5	-0.14	2.08	1.94	2.67
17	Mike Scott	ATL	26	12.8	1.02	0.40	1.42	0.93
18	Dwight Powell	DAL	29	18.4	-1.36	2.78	1.42	1.56
19	Nikola Mirotic	CHI	28	23.6	0.34	0.88	1.22	1.84
20	James Johnson	TOR	25	14.3	-0.17	1.39	1.22	0.96
21	Taj Gibson	CHI	28	23.3	-0.73	1.91	1.18	1.72
22	Jon Leuer	PHX	32	21.3	-0.30	1.19	0.89	1.76
23	Spencer Hawes	CHA	27	17.0	-0.87	1.68	0.81	1.12
24	Marcus Morris	DET	31	36.8	0.14	0.62	0.76	2.68
25	Carl Landry	PHI	2	18.0	-0.73	1.43	0.70	0.09
26	LaMarcus Aldridge	SA	30	29.6	-1.00	1.58	0.58	2.05

We should make this guy our focal point?

Sigh... if it weren't for David West, Spurs will be in deep trouble in the PF position.

[apalisoc_9]

I honestly don't think there needs to be an "alpha" on offense... At the beginning of the season I thought that having both Kawhi & LMA average between 15-18 FGA per game would be ideal... I still feel that way. LMA is just below 14 FGA per and Kawhi is just above 15 FGA per, so they're headed in that direction. Kawhi's assist numbers for the the first 10 games were worrying, but he has adjusted beautifully to being a prime option on O. LMA's FG% for December is better than his FG% for November & better than his career FG% average, so that's really encouraging too... If Green gets his 3ptFG% back to his standard 40%, the Spurs can be pretty scary & efficient on that side of the court.

Jesus Christ. I Thought this guy was already on my ignore list. This thread is now overflowing with vanilla casual mainstream take just with this hideous post. Just as Bad as Aldridge post ups. Groce. Ew. Disgusting.

[Mr Bones]

Jesus Christ. I Thought this guy was already on my ignore list. This thread is now overflowing with vanilla casual mainstream take just with this hideous post. Just as Bad as Aldridge post ups. Groce. Ew. Disgusting.

Cool take. You're edgy.

Can't wait to see you quit, return, quit, return & quit, return in the upcoming melodramatic months!

[dabom]

Jesus Christ. I Thought this guy was already on my ignore list. This thread is now overflowing with vanilla casual mainstream take just with this hideous post. Just as Bad as Aldridge post ups. Groce. Ew. Disgusting.

Funny thing is Spurs have always had a go to guy. This guy is a dumbass.

[Mr Bones]

Funny thing is Spurs have always had a go to guy.

That's just a cliche you parrot. In the past, a hundred posters here said big time free agents NEVER sign with the Spurs. No one says that anymore. Not being able to see possibilities because they haven't already happened is the surest sign of not understanding anything. Feel free to respond with lots of emojis...