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    In case we forget those were Lebron, Kyrie and Love. Love was guarding Kyle at times... that should show LMA to get balls. Frankly Kyle has a future in this league. 22 yrs old, been a winner at every step. his line tonight: 10 points on 4-8 shooting, most of those shots he got on his own, if not all, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block shot. He impacts the game at both ends. he's not a stopper, but he's so smart and anticipates.

    Anyway, I hope this doesn't get lost on Pop. Without Timmy in the foreseeable future I think we see more of Kyle at the 4 against bigs who like to shoot. He took it to Love.

    The one steal he had was on Love.
    I agree. You know from our previous exchanges that I believe he will ultimately play most of the time as a "point four."

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    Again, though, what's going on with Mills is very concerning. Dude just looks bad on both ends most games.

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    They will call over the back but if he has established inside position he can push around folks just like prime Shaq. LMA/West weren't doing their job early & let him establish inside position.
    I'm talking about driving both forearms into the back of LMA while defending him time and time again tonight. That's a foul - that's not inside position. Leonard and Aldridge were mauled tonight and LMA got one if not two phantom fouls in the first half - we needed his offense to stay close.

    P.S. - Kevin Love is a p*ssy.

    P.S. - Tristan Thompson should not be put in the same sentence as "Prime Shaq".

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    Why does Tristan Thompson get to knock the out of anyone close to him and gets away with it a lot of the time? A-hole.
    I wish the Spurs could get him or his clone.

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    I'm talking about driving both forearms into the back of LMA time and time again tonight. That's a foul. Leonard and Aldridge were mauled tonight and LMA got one if not two phantom fouls in the first half - we needed his offense to stay close.

    P.S. - Kevin Love is a p*ssy.
    I just hated that the refs were calling fouls every time the Cavs players slipped. I can't stand refs to assume when they blow the whistle.

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    The Knicks nearly beat the Spurs and put up 100 points. Let's also not forget Melo scoring in Kawhi's face plenty down the stretch.
    That happened b/c LMA was getting eaten alive by a 20 yr old Latvian & Melo ONLY hit TWO shots against Kawhi in the 4th quarter. It was Galloway that started running a layup line AFTER Tim got benched in the 4th quarter.

    LeBron getting shut down had as much to do with him deferring to teammates with mismatches or had open looks that didn't fall. Kawhi had some great sequences but he didn't shut down Lebron.
    That's the point, LeBron looks to be a facilitator when Kawhi is checking him including TONIGHT. It's not his fault LeBron is scoring on switches, transition or when he forces him to drive to a help defender for it to only end up being Boban/West.

    The Rockets put up over 100 points in both games regardless of Harden. Kawhi also was at no point in either game his primary defender with Green and Manu getting the bulk of the assignment.
    Kawhi was the one guarding him in the 2nd half & the Rockets were rolling BEFORE Tony got benched.

    All three are mediocre/missing key players and struggle heavily on offense to boot. Horrible games to draw conclusions from.
    The Bucks/Nets weren't missing anyone & beat the Worriers/OKC with those squads scoring well over a 100.

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    Yeah, I want him to start until Tim comes back. It's not like Love would have been better in the first had he started this game.
    That would be an interesting experiment, maybe giving him a confidence boost at a good time for it.

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    I agree. You know from our previous exchanges that I believe he will ultimately play most of the time as a "point four."
    Yea I know. I saw him play the 3 and the 4 in the lower leagues. It seems the Spurs wanted him at both, but he really comes alive at the 4.

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    They will call over the back but if he has established inside position he can push around folks just like prime Shaq. LMA/West weren't doing their job early & let him establish inside position.
    Neither player knows how to get that done. So, question: why isn't the coaching staff HAMMERING that FUNDAMENTAL into their heads?!

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    Again, though, what's going on with Mills is very concerning. Dude just looks bad on both ends most games.
    Patty/Evita/Boris seem to be more productive on social media than on the court nowadays

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    That would be an interesting experiment, maybe giving him a confidence boost at a good time for it.
    The Spurs play Aaron Gordon and the Magic next game. There's no excuse for not starting Anderson against another combo-forward. Could understand not wanting to start Kyle against the Pelicans, but I'd force NO to pull Asik by having him try to check Anderson. Then they'd get to play Dallas, and Anderson on Dirk would be an interesting experiment if I ever saw one.

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    Neither player knows how to get that done. So, question: why isn't the coaching staff HAMMERING that FUNDAMENTAL into their heads?!
    They are both not used to being a blue-collar type player & have always been average/below average rebounder for their position just like Boris. It's all about having a motor & helping the helper but that is going to be an achilles w/ a West/LMA/Diaw frontline.

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    Yea I know. I saw him play the 3 and the 4 in the lower leagues. It seems the Spurs wanted him at both, but he really comes alive at the 4.
    What we saw in SL and to a lesser extent in Austin was Kyle pretty much playing position-less ball, just doing whatever was needed in the moment. He has the potential to be a real Swiss Army knife. He needs me re upper body strength to develop a strong move to the bucket, however. While his fadeaway is terrific, he needs to become more adept at asserting himself against smaller opponents. Of course, he needs teammates to develop confidence in him and get him the ball when he has a favorable matchup. That will not happen this year.
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    The Spurs play Aaron Gordon and the Magic next game. There's no excuse for not starting Anderson against another combo-forward. Could understand not wanting to start Kyle against the Pelicans, but I'd force NO to pull Asik by having him try to check Anderson. Then they'd get to play Dallas, and Anderson on Dirk would be an interesting experiment if I ever saw one.
    Asik would destroy Kyle on the offensive boards & most likely he isn't going to play heavy minutes without Tim on the floor. Fathead on Ryan Anderson should be a no brainer though.

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    Asik would destroy Kyle on the offensive boards & most likely he isn't going to play heavy minutes without Tim on the floor. Fathead on Ryan Anderson should be a no brainer though.
    Anderson's a great rebounder, and he should take lessons from Green on how to box out bigger players. The point is to see how Kyle handles mismatches on both sides of the court. That's a much better experiment than that zone crap the Spurs ran tonight.

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    What we saw in SL and to a lesser extent in Austin was Kyle pretty much playing position less ball, just doing whatever was needed in the moment. He has the potential to be a real Swiss Army knife. He needs me re upper body strength to develop a strong move to the bucket, however. While his fadeaway is terrific, he needs to become more adept at asserting himself against smaller opponents. Of course, he needs teammates to develop confidence in him and get him the ball when he has a favorable matchup. That will not happen this year.
    He needs to gain lower-body strength as well. He's not backing anyone down until he lowers his center of gravity.

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    They are both not used to being a blue-collar type player & have always been average/below average rebounder for their position just like Boris. It's all about having a motor & helping the helper but that is going to be an achilles w/ a West/LMA/Diaw frontline.
    West NOT blue-collar? You've followed a different player than I have. I think his rebounding numbers have always been respectable when he was at PF. In his New Orleans days West used to give Tim fits.

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    Again, though, what's going on with Mills is very concerning. Dude just looks bad on both ends most games.
    He's been terrible and to me at least, he is more noticeable bc his defense is awful. He tries, but he's inadequate. On top of that he has a tendency to chuck.

    I know some are hating on Danny this game, but really the problem were lack of Tim (rim protection), lack of chemistry, too much hero balling by the starters from everyone. Danny actually cut his own heroballing and sticks to what he does well nowadays. We need passing, maybe Kyle can help. West is a good passer, but he's not a dynamic passer. He passes from preconceived spots. Kyle is more dynamic and looks for open shooters always.

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    Patty/Evita/Boris seem to be more productive on social media than on the court nowadays

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    Anderson's a great rebounder, and he should take lessons from Green on how to box out bigger players. The point is to see how Kyle handles mismatches on both sides of the court. That's a much better experiment than that zone crap the Spurs ran tonight.
    if he learned that, the guy would be golden.

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    That happened b/c LMA was getting eaten alive by a 20 yr old Latvian & Melo ONLY hit TWO shots against Kawhi in the 4th quarter. It was Galloway that started running a layup line AFTER Tim got benched in the 4th quarter.



    That's the point, LeBron looks to be a facilitator when Kawhi is checking him including TONIGHT. It's not his fault LeBron is scoring on switches, transition or when he forces him to drive to a help defender for it to only end up being Boban/West.



    Kawhi was the one guarding him in the 2nd half & the Rockets were rolling BEFORE Tony got benched.



    The Bucks/Nets weren't missing anyone & beat the Worriers/OKC with those squads scoring well over a 100.
    Nobody was able to guard Porzingod, can't put the blame on LMA. Melo was 8/18 in the game, and in critical junctures got buckets. Yes Kawhi played a big part in forcing him to pass, but it was to a wide open Calderon who's been money from 3 this year. That was not good defense.

    LeBron facilitating is far worse than him scoring, and a big part of the Spurs' success against him in the past was forcing him to do all the scoring (and with jumpers at that). This season the team has played right into his hands for the most part, Kawhi included.

    The Rockets never really stopped rolling on offense, they just couldn't make a stop to save their lives and it helped massively that Green was such a threat. Neither home game against Houston this year could be considered good defensive games.

    The Dubs lost/struggled in those games dud to fatigue from playing 5 games in 7 nights or by merely not taking their opponent seriously. It also helps they have a historically great offense to generate baskets seemingly at will, which the Spurs do not. As for OKC, it's been discussed thoroughly how bad their defense is this season, but they can somewhat get away with it due to having two top three offensive players on their team.

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    He needs to gain lower-body strength as well. He's not backing anyone down until he lowers his center of gravity.
    So, let's just say "body strength!" That also usually comes with bulk, so I hope adding bulk doesn't slow him down!

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    So, let's just say "body strength!" That also usually comes with bulk, so I hope adding bulk doesn't slow him down!
    If it does, he'll be moving backwards out there.

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    What we saw in SL and to a lesser extent in Austin was Kyle pretty much playing position-less ball, just doing whatever was needed in the moment. He has the potential to be a real Swiss Army knife. He needs me re upper body strength to develop a strong move to the bucket, however. While his fadeaway is terrific, he needs to become more adept at asserting himself against smaller opponents. Of course, he needs teammates to develop confidence in him and get him the ball when he has a favorable matchup. That will not happen this year.
    Which is why I always said that the player we were watching is not all he can be. To a degree Manu and the established rotation are not a fit for him. What he does best we saw in this game. Maybe we will need that.

    I know old schoolers will say if we need that we are lost anyways, and maybe we are but prime Manu and Tony are not walking back in. Didn't Timmy win a championship with newbies Tony and Manu. Now we have this team with newbies Simmons and Anderson. That they made a comeback in this game cannot be lost on Pop.

    And perspective, he's young, may be up and down, but has to be pushed and teammates if they want to win and truly be egoless have to push him too and I think they will TBH.

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    Which is why I always said that the player we were watching is not all he can be. To a degree Manu and the established rotation are not a fit for him. What he does best we saw in this game. Maybe we will need that.

    I know old schoolers will say if we need that we are lost anyways, and maybe we are but prime Manu and Tony are not walking back in. Didn't Timmy win a championship with newbies Tony and Manu. Now we have this team with newbies Simmons and Anderson. That they made a comeback in this game cannot be lost on Pop.

    And perspective, he's young, may be up and down, but has to be pushed and teammates if they want to win and truly be egoless have to push him too and I think they will TBH.
    What the vets need are rest. So forcibly KA and Simms will have to have a bigger role. Makes sense Pop is slowly giving them more rope, especially against good teams.

    Vets will still carry the load when the playoffs come around, but hopefully rested and if there's any injury, hopefully the kids are ready to step up.

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