Warriors are terrifying, tbh..

[YGWHI]

lol dabom can't even enjoy a win over the Warriors.

And you? Where is your or Boris great game or your take about this thread?

Always criticizing other people...that's a weird way to celebrate

[YGWHI]

...

He was good in game 1, especially on D. Of course Kawhi had nothing to do with Re 4-13 10 points in that game...

[ChumpDumper]

And you? Where is your or Boris great game or your take about this thread?

Always criticizing other people...that's a weird way to celebrate

lol there you go again.

[SAGirl]

Warriors are 1-4 this season when they score fewer than 100 points.

If I remember correctly, Kerr is very aware of this. After a very low scoring first quarter, when they interviewed him the one thing I recall him mentioning is that they needed to score more.

[YGWHI]

lol there you go again.

Your enthusiastic response makes me...

[ChumpDumper]

Your enthusiastic response makes me...

lol there you go again.

Again.

[dabom]

I wonder if chump is ever gonna call out mid got...

[Wildcat67]

Curry played like , 2nd night of back to back. They still were in position to break away.



Usually when we play teams with more than one guy who can dribble a basketball, we freak the out and lose our concentration on D.


Tonight was the first night that we looked halfway legitimate on defense against another top 4 team.

So Curry shooting poorly was just him having a bad game, but the Spurs shooting poorly was just good defense by the Warriors.

The idiotic double standards and excuse are getting hilarious.

"We shot bad, but held them to 87"

Easily could be

"The Spurs played great defense, and used that to propel themselves to the win even though they were off on offense".

[Uriel]

You guys can't even enjoy a game in which the Spurs shot poorly (average from 3), turned it over 17 times, sat Duncan for 40 minutes, and still won by 8 over the team with the best record in NBA history through 66 games. Pathetic.

Just quit if you can't enjoy the win for worrying about what might go wrong in the playoffs.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs had 104 possessions to GS' 97. That average is actually pretty close to GS' average pace (100). And it's significantly faster than the Spurs normally play (94). So the pace wasn't the issue, and the Warriors thinking they just have to go faster is an advantage for SA. Again, this is about efficiency, and both teams left points on the table. I don't see how having Bogut in the game over Rush is going to make them better at shooting threes. For the Spurs, it's going to depend on Tim being able to score on Green. Tonight wasn't a good sign for that part of the equation.

How are offensive rebounds counted in terms of determining a team's total number of possessions? I thought a team could end up with at most a 2-possession lead due to ends of quarters.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

We can keep saying the Warriors don't have a bench but Livingstong had 4 steals in this game and 13 points in the last...

According to http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball.../7/diffeff/1-1 the Spurs bench has a differential of 13 and the Warriors bench has a differential of 2.7 before this last game, that is a huge step down.

[HarlemHeat37]

According to http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball.../7/diffeff/1-1 the Spurs bench has a differential of 13 and the Warriors bench has a differential of 2.7 before this last game, that is a huge step down.

Their depth has actually been relatively poor, this season..

They have been very top-heavy and over-reliant on Curry/Green/Iggy/Thompson/Bogut, this season..Ezeli was playing great prior to his injury, too..

[99 Problems]

Had to rely on Barbosa with straight 5 to get them back in the game. They were haemorrhaging before that.

[SAGirl]

After the 30 point thrashing at GS (in which Curry dropped 37 in 28 minutes), and considering how the Spurs typically have problems with athletic, high scoring back courts (Lillard and McCollum just combined for 50), I had no reason to believe otherwise. Also, Klay really isn't the main part in that equation. Curry showed in the first matchup he's capable of scoring at a 50 ppg pace against us. He's obviously not going to average 50 over a playoff series, but he's more than capable of averaging 30-35, with Klay pitching in 20-25.

Furthermore, I didn't say they would average 70, just that they are capable of scoring that in any given game, and two players who are capable of scoring those points is tough obstacle to overcome.

This game has renewed my confidence somewhat, but I still worry about our comparative lack of firepower. Like I said in another post, I hope it was just nerves that prevented the Spurs from beating down these s by 20.

I think comparative lack of production from the bench was a factor.

We need Manu to be better than he's been lately. Hopefully he still has time to play with more confidence and get back to playoff form I hope. Without him at 100% we are in trouble bc:
Patty is a small jumpshooter, he has a crazy quick release but can be shut down if played close by lengthy defenders. He's also streaky. Anderson is a youngster, ppl are right he might not be ready for this but he's not going to be ready until he's put in a position to do stuff and he might need to do more of that stuff next season. As long as he's giving you defensive execution Pop will have to evaluate if he'd go with him or Martin.
Martin I am unsure on bc he joined the team late and we have won many games with Anderson in a small role and just a few with Martin and Martin hasn't exactly been lighting it up prior to this game and to be fair to him, he joined us late. I am hoping he comes through for us, but I am unsure on him and maybe Pop is too.

Boris showed up. I'd expect West to show up too and it was a bit perplexing that he didn't play much in this one, but defense is what is going to get it done here and as we saw Pop will stay strict with matchups.

Bottom line, If Manu doesn't show up in the postseason we are in trouble. The bench still depends on him.

[Kawhitstorm]

According to http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball.../7/diffeff/1-1 the Spurs bench has a differential of 13 and the Warriors bench has a differential of 2.7 before this last game, that is a huge step down.

Diaw starting, West not playing much & Patty being in early foul trouble screwed up the bench production.

[Uriel]

People keep saying this, but GS' starting lineup tonight has the best net rating in the league. The Spurs pretty much matched up and showed them that the lineup isn't going to work. Bogut may have stopped Aldridge, but the Warriors playing big means the Spurs can play their best lineup while the Warriors refrain from using theirs. That's a Spurs victory in the long run.

Actually, GS's "death lineup" with the +50 net rating features Andre Iguodala, not Brandon Rush.

[Chinook]

I only care about what a team like Golden State does against elite teams.

No, you just keep backpedaling in hopes of finding some defensible position. Worst defensive teams have given Curry problems this year. The only reason why you didn't think that was the case is because you didn't look. Superficial analysis.

We'll see how they build on this game.

The Spurs don't have to build on anything. This was Pop trying an extremely simple game-plan (just posting on offense and switching on defense). As Danny said, they tried something else in the first game. It didn't work. They tried something else, and it did. The Spurs played at about 80 percent of their capability and won. The Warriors don't have an answer for the fact that SA matches up extremely well with them.

These Warriors aren't those Thunder. And I always give the Spurs a chance. Just how much of a chance is the question.

They're not because you say they're not. They're different because they are the du jour skyfall you can freak out about. Were you one of the people who predicted Memphis would win the WCF in 2013?

I counted Draymond among the "role players." He's, metrically, one of the best players in the league. Bogut is basically a clone of Timmy at this point (both have similar defensive impact). Iggy is a Finals MVP winner. And Harrison Barnes is a consistent threat to score 15-20 points. If Parker finds his stroke again, Danny gets out of his slump, and Manu finds the fountain, then the role player advantage might swing back in our favor.

You can count mentally weak Draymond if you want, but that's pretty much it as far as the Spurs being behind. Green>>>Diaw on an average night. Danny>Iggy, especially in terms of upside. Duncan is > Bogut in terms of upside as well as being able to take advantage of being the other seven-footer on the team. If the Warriors have to play big, Tim will more than prove his worth. Livingston is normally better than Manu nowadays, but he's not nearly as versatile. If he has to play the two, most of Shaun's worth is negated. West > Speights, even though Mo is on a tear right now. Parker is better than Barbosa.

The main difference between the Spurs and Warriors in terms of rosters is that the Spurs have role-players who are mostly HoFers or HoVGers. That allows for ridiculous upside in the playoffs, because any one of them can go for 25 points on any given night completely independent of the Warriors' defense. Those nights are MUCH more likely to happen during the playoffs. GS' bench won the battle of the second units last night. It's the only reason why things were close. It's not something people should count on happening every game.

Keep handwaving away.

Yeah, that's just your admission that you don't plan on actually rewatching the first game to see why your concerns were invalid. Are you just running off that box score at this point?

[Harry Callahan]

DMC, have you seen the Warriors play without Curry? You don't even have to take Klay away, they're probably going to fight for a playoff spot.

Well they did a nice job against the Mavericks a few weeks ago. SMH.

[UZER]

I think comparative lack of production from the bench was a factor.

We need Manu to be better than he's been lately. Hopefully he still has time to play with more confidence and get back to playoff form I hope. Without him at 100% we are in trouble bc:
Patty is a small jumpshooter, he has a crazy quick release but can be shut down if played close by lengthy defenders. He's also streaky. Anderson is a youngster, ppl are right he might not be ready for this but he's not going to be ready until he's put in a position to do stuff and he might need to do more of that stuff next season. As long as he's giving you defensive execution Pop will have to evaluate if he'd go with him or Martin.
Martin I am unsure on bc he joined the team late and we have won many games with Anderson in a small role and just a few with Martin and Martin hasn't exactly been lighting it up prior to this game and to be fair to him, he joined us late. I am hoping he comes through for us, but I am unsure on him and maybe Pop is too.

Boris showed up. I'd expect West to show up too and it was a bit perplexing that he didn't play much in this one, but defense is what is going to get it done here and as we saw Pop will stay strict with matchups.

Bottom line, If Manu doesn't show up in the postseason we are in trouble. The bench still depends on him.

We're in trouble with him if he doesn't stop forcing those dumb pnr passes. The margin for error is razor thin against the warriors. He cannot give possessions away in the playoffs. I know he did some good things tonight, but dammit those unforced passes. I know he's our best pnr passes, but if he would just stop forcing the ones the warriors are clearly sagging off of and anticipating.

[SouthernFried]

Terrifying? Seriously? lol

Spurs were very out of rhythm offensively, especially in the first half. We can play a LOT better. So can the Warriors. It was like pulling teeth in the first half trying to get offense going. Which is not unusual for us...but, helped that the Warriors had similar issues. Yeah, good D helped with that. But, both teams looked really nervous.

[midnightpulp]

No, you just keep backpedaling in hopes of finding some defensible position. Worst defensive teams have given Curry problems this year. The only reason why you didn't think that was the case is because you didn't look. Superficial analysis.

No I'm not. A bad Curry game is such a rare event, that when he does have one, it likely has more to do with him just having a bad night than with anything special the opposing defense is doing. And let's take at his "bad games." (I'm leaving out the 2-6 at DEN).

22 points on 7-18 shooting. Not a good nor a bad one.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...511090GSW.html

Scored 38 on a raw 33% FG. Thing is, he got to the line and made 6 threes, so his TS% wound being a very good .573.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...512110BOS.html

Another sub 40% effort, but he only took 11 shots. Means nothing.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...601270GSW.html

Indeed, this was a bad game, but it was in blowout win against the Knicks. I can't read anything into it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...601310NYK.html

Bad shooting night against OKC. But in the next game against them, he dropped 46. So OKC didn't "figure" anything out.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...602060GSW.html

Terrible game against the Lakers. But that weekend was Draymond's birthday, and they were in LA. Curry was also laughing on the bench during the 4th. I doubt anyone on the Warriors took that game seriously.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...603060LAL.html

5-15, but still got to the line and scored 23 points on a good overall TS:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...602200LAC.html

4-12 in a blowout win vs. Utah. Yeah, means nothing.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...603090GSW.html

The only truly bad game Curry had was against us, and I hope it was a result of something on our end rather than him just fatigued on the night of a back-to-back or having an off night. It's probably a little bit of both, but I'm going to error on the side of caution and not get too excited that we found some in his armor.

The Spurs don't have to build on anything. This was Pop trying an extremely simple game-plan (just posting on offense and switching on defense). As Danny said, they tried something else in the first game. It didn't work. They tried something else, and it did. The Spurs played at about 80 percent of their capability and won. The Warriors don't have an answer for the fact that SA matches up extremely well with them.

My standards for "working" are bit a higher than yours, and I'm sure the Spurs' are as well. They shutdown Curry and Klay. They held the Warriors to 79 points. (And let's not forget to mention that the Warriors were missing 3 rotation players. But to be fair, I don't think Bogut or Ezeli makes them any better against us). And yet, the game was still in doubt up until the final minute. There's still work to be done, things to "build on" against the Warriors.

They're not because you say they're not. They're different because they are the du jour skyfall you can freak out about. Were you one of the people who predicted Memphis would win the WCF in 2013?

"du jour." They are the defending champions and are 62-7. There's nothing "du jour" about the Warriors. They've earned their fear factor.

You can count mentally weak Draymond if you want, but that's pretty much it as far as the Spurs being behind. Green>>>Diaw on an average night. Danny>Iggy, especially in terms of upside. Duncan is > Bogut in terms of upside as well as being able to take advantage of being the other seven-footer on the team. If the Warriors have to play big, Tim will more than prove his worth. Livingston is normally better than Manu nowadays, but he's not nearly as versatile. If he has to play the two, most of Shaun's worth is negated. West > Speights, even though Mo is on a tear right now. Parker is better than Barbosa.

There's that hand-waving again. "Ah, Draymond is mentally weak. Non-issue." But I agree if Duncan, Manu, and Parker play up to par, our supporting cast is better, but all three of them have been very inconsistent this season, with two of the three nearing the end of their careers. I can't just automatically assume they'll perform. The Warriors bench doesn't really scare me, and I've said before that I think our bench will win the battle with theirs over a series. I also don't buy Danny>Iggy. At best, a wash. But you're a Danny fanboy, so there's no point in arguing that.

The main difference between the Spurs and Warriors in terms of rosters is that the Spurs have role-players who are mostly HoFers or HoVGers. That allows for ridiculous upside in the playoffs, because any one of them can go for 25 points on any given night completely independent of the Warriors' defense. Those nights are MUCH more likely to happen during the playoffs. GS' bench won the battle of the second units last night. It's the only reason why things were close. It's not something people should count on happening every game.

You're counting on upside, while I'm counting on what those players have done so far this season. I counted on Kawhi's "upside" against the Clippers (they had/have the weakest SF rotation in the league. I thought he was going to average 25-30 points against them), and Kawhi was outplayed by Matt Barnes. I counted on Tony not sucking, and he wound up having one of the worst playoff series in NBA history.

Yeah, that's just your admission that you don't plan on actually rewatching the first game to see why your concerns were invalid. Are you just running off that box score at this point?

Yeah, I shouldn't be concerned about the defending 62-7 champions with a player having a historically great shooting season . If you think my concern of the Warriors being 30 points better than Spurs is invalid, then fair enough, since I never claimed we were overmatched to that extent, but we are, at present, an underdog against them. Again, we have a puncher's chance (80/20).

[ceperez]

We're in trouble with him if he doesn't stop forcing those dumb pnr passes. The margin for error is razor thin against the warriors. He cannot give possessions away in the playoffs. I know he did some good things tonight, but dammit those unforced passes. I know he's our best pnr passes, but if he would just stop forcing the ones the warriors are clearly sagging off of and anticipating.

The Warriors are very good at covering the passing lanes. The absolutely know that Manu is going to pass. That was 3 turnovers for Manu.

Look at the stats, Spurs committed 16 turnovers.... they even shot less... the biggest stat was that Spurs only attempted 21 3 point attempts while GS took 36! That is nearly twice the number, if GS had shot with the same 38% percentage as the Spurs, then GS would have won. They just missed the ball, but Spurs can't win by not taking those 3 point attempts.

[BillMc]

People keep saying this, but GS' starting lineup tonight has the best net rating in the league. The Spurs pretty much matched up and showed them that the lineup isn't going to work. Bogut may have stopped Aldridge, but the Warriors playing big means the Spurs can play their best lineup while the Warriors refrain from using theirs. That's a Spurs victory in the long run.

This

[DJR210]

They're the champs and extremely good, tbh... I do think the Spurs can execute better, and I thought Kawhi was too tentative, he needs to breakout...

Spurs were also not 100% though, Manu just getting back from a month off... if he's 100%, I think our chances are a lot better, tbh...

I agree with Van Gundy calling out Kawhi for being Mr. Nice Guy with refs on bad calls too

[Spurs9]

Don't think they will break the Bulls record tbh. They still have to face:
Clippers
Mavs
Jazz
Celtics
Portland
Spurs
Memphis
Spurs
Memphis

Let off some other teams I think they would beat, (Twolves)