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    and there are people who act violently because of their beliefs.

    I get that you want to separate violence and belief but belief can and does cause violence. Every vote for Sharia law does as much.
    i'm not separating violence and belief. i'm separate violence from nonviolence, regardless of belief. i'm separating the racist guy sitting at home vs the kkk member burning houses

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    The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves of attacks, deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck Brussels and Paris with orders to choose the time, place and method for maximum carnage, officials have told The Associated Press.
    The network of agile and semiautonomous cells shows the reach of the extremist group in Europe even as it loses ground in Syria and Iraq. The officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials and a French lawmaker who follows the jihadi networks, described camps in Syria, Iraq and possibly the former Soviet bloc where attackers are trained to attack the West. Before being killed in a police raid, the ringleader of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks claimed he had entered Europe in a multinational group of 90 fighters, who scattered "more or less everywhere."
    But the biggest break yet in the Paris attacks investigation — the arrest on Friday of fugitive Salah Abdeslam— did not thwart the multipronged attack just four days later on the Belgian capital's airport and metro that left 31 people dead and an estimated 270 wounded. Three suicide bombers also died.


    Just as in Paris, Belgian authorities were searching for at least one fugitive in Tuesday's attacks — this time for a man wearing a white jacket who was seen on airport security footage with the two suicide attackers. The fear is that the man, whose iden y Belgian officials say is not known, will find Abdeslam's path instructive.
    After fleeing Paris immediately after the November attacks, Abdeslam forged a new network back in his childhood neighborhood of Molenbeek, long known as a haven for jihadis, and renewed plotting, according to Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders.
    "Not only did he drop out of sight, but he did so to organize another attack, with accomplices everywhere. With suicide belts. Two attacks organized just like in Paris. And his arrest, since they knew he was going to talk, it was a response: 'So what if he was arrested? We'll show you that it doesn't change a thing,'" said French Senator Nathalie Goulet, co-head of a commission tracking jihadi networks.
    Estimates range from 400 to 600 Islamic State fighters trained specifically for external attacks, according to the officials, including Goulet. Some 5,000 Europeans have gone to Syria.
    "The reality is that if we knew exactly how many there were, it wouldn't be happening," she said.
    Two of the suicide bombers in Tuesday's attacks, brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui, had no known extremist links until an apartment one of them rented was traced to Abdeslam last week, according to Belgian state broadcaster RTBF. Similarly, an Algerian killed inside that apartment on March 15 had nothing but a petty theft record in Sweden — but he'd signed up as an Islamic State suicide bomber for the group in 2014 and returned to Europe as part of the Nov. 13 plot


    In claiming responsibility, the Islamic State group described a "secret cell of soldiers" dispatched to Brussels for the purpose. The shadowy cells were confirmed by Europol — the EU police agency which said in a late January report that intelligence officials believed the group had "developed an external action command trained for special forces-style attacks."
    French speakers with links to North Africa, France and Belgium appear to be leading the units and are responsible for developing attack strategies in Europe, said a European security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about briefing material. He is also familiar with interrogations of former fighters who have returned to Europe. Some were jailed after leaving IS while others were kicked out of the terror group. The fighters include Muslims and Muslim converts from all across Europe.
    Fighters in the units are trained in battleground strategies, explosives, surveillance techniques and counter surveillance, the security official said.
    "The difference is that in 2014, some of these IS fighters were only being given a couple weeks of training," he said. "Now the strategy has changed. Special units have been set up. The training is longer. And the objective appears to no longer be killing as many people as possible but rather to have as many terror operations as possible, so the enemy is forced to spend more money or more in manpower. It's more about the rhythm of terror operations now."
    Similar methods had been developed by al-Qaida but IS has taken it to a new level, he said. Another difference with these "external operation" units is that fighters are being trained to be their own operators — not necessarily to be beholden to specific orders from the IS stronghold in Raqqa, Syria, or elsewhere.
    In the case of Tuesday's attacks, Abdeslam's arrest may have been a trigger for a plot that was already far along.
    "This was not put together as a response to the arrest. However the timing of what has happened over the last few days has maybe hurried up the planning and execution," said Magnus Ranstorp, a Swedish security analyst. "I see the link to the environments either in France or in Belgium. Whether they're logistically linked ... they're probably part of the same batch of extremists that have come out of Syria."
    Several security officials have said there is growing evidence to suggest the bulk of the training is taking place in Syria, Libya and elsewhere in North Africa.
    "To pull off an attack of this sophistication, you need training, planning, materials and a landscape," said Shiraz Maher, a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation in London.
    Maher has conducted extensive interviews with foreign fighters. The research center, based at Kings College in London, has one of the largest databases of fighters and their networks.
    "Even if they worked flat out, the attackers in Brussels would have needed at least four days," Maher said.
    The question for many intelligence and security officials is now turning to just how many more fighters have been trained and are ready for more attacks.
    A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.
    The latest new name to surface this week, Najim Laachraoui, turned out to be the bombmaker who made the suicide vests used in the Paris attacks, according to French and Belgian officials. Attackers used an explosive known as Triacetone Triperoxide, or TATP, made from common household chemicals. DNA evidence indicates he died on Tuesday in the suicide attack on the airport, two officials briefed on the investigation told AP.
    Fifteen kilos of TATP were found in an apartment linked to the Brussels attackers, along with other explosive material.
    The unidentified man seen on security footage wearing a white jacket and black hat at the Brussels airport on Tuesday remains at large, a fugitive link in a chain still being forged.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03...bloodshed.html

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    hopefully john oliver can kill all the terrorists again like he did after the france attacks tbh

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    i'm not separating violence and belief. i'm separate violence from nonviolence, regardless of belief. i'm separating the racist guy sitting at home vs the kkk member burning houses
    You're splitting hairs to the point of being meaningless. Mostly sounds like you are exonerating yourself.

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    You're splitting hairs to the point of being meaningless. Mostly sounds like you are exonerating yourself.
    if differentiating between people who commit violent acts and people who don't commit violent acts in a conversation about terrorism is splitting hairs, then fine

    what exactly do you think i'm exonerating myself of?

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    Will Poland's Prime Minister be labeled a racist like Trump?

    http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/24...ants-PM-Szydlo

    Poland will not take in any immigrants: PM Szydło

    Signalling what appeared to be a shift in government policy, Szydło said: “I do not see how Poland could take in immigrants at the moment.” Her comments came a day after a series of blasts in the Belgian capital killed over 30 people and injured more than 250. “The previous government vouched to take in refugees. It agreed to accept several thousand people, who could come to Poland on a voluntary basis. A total of 28 EU countries agreed to it: to solve this problem through relocation.

    "But I say it very clearly: I do not see how Poland could take on any immigrants in the present cir stances,” Szydło told the Superstacja broadcaster. Government spokesman Rafał Bochenek said the current system of checks on refugees coming to Europe from the Middle East was not working efficiently. “We cannot... allow a situation to develop whereby the events that are now happening in Western Europe spread to Poland. Many such events have taken place in the past few months and we want to protect Polish citizens from that,” Bochenek added.

    In an earlier interview, Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said: “We can’t settle [the refugees] here. What are we supposed to do? Keep them in camps? They don’t want to live in Poland. They don’t know Poland. "They know that we can provide about EUR 100 per month per person [in state benefits]. In Belgium, it’s EUR 60 a day. That’s another problem. Open borders, lack of jobs. “We have two million young emigrants living in Germany, in the UK. And 1.5 million jobless people here in Poland. I can say to the Syrians, ‘Yes, you are welcome, but what are you going to do here? Live on the streets?’,” Waszczykowski told the Carnegie Europe magazine.

    Unhappy at deal The Law and Justice (PiS) party, which swept to power in October, had previously said Poland would accept 7,000 refugees - albeit under certain conditions - over the next two years, in line with a pledge by the previous government. But PIS had been hinting it was unhappy at the agreement by the former government led by Civic Platform to accept some 7,000 migrants as part of an EU-wide programme to resettle 150,000 asylum seekers from Syria and Eritrea who are currently in camps in Italy and Greece. (rg/pk) - See more at: http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/24....MzSeu8XU.dpuf

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    trump wasn't just anti-refugee, he was against any muslim immigration regardless of cir stance or country of origin

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    They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ls-police-raid

    Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

    The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.

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    Here is another. http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...-into-warzone/

    Two brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui were reportedly detained according to the media when one of the brothers showed up at a hospital with a broken leg. The other brother was found hiding in a house police were searching. The two brothers were known to have links to violent crime in the Brussels area.

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    trump wasn't just anti-refugee, he was against any muslim immigration regardless of cir stance or country of origin
    As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

    I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bull repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.

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    They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ls-police-raid

    Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

    The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.
    fuuuuucked up

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    As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

    I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bull repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.
    "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration


    lol thinking i'm among the "libble sheeple"...

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    "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration
    I think this is what CC means.

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    The one brother unloaded on a cop with an AK, got 9 years out in less than 5, caught associating with the France attacker and its not even a parole violation? I can't believe there wasn't a hold put on them


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    I think this is what CC means.
    no, CC made specific reference to refugees and screening processes. trump's ban is on all muslim immigrants, not just muslim refugees

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    Just because both are not present in all cases doesn't make it any less a false dichotomy.

    As far as I'm concerned much like with Christians who claim the Bible is the revealed word of God, Muslims who say the Quran and Hadith are literally the revealed word of God are part of the problem.

    I'm not advocating punitive remedies but its there nonetheless.

    Is a vote an act? If you vote in support of Sharia law you are assenting to violence and oppression.
    Could you imagine how different the Muslim world would be without the hadiths? I always wondered Muslims equate the hadiths as the word of God when there are over a thousand hadiths and many of them are not proven to be authenticated.

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    The one brother unloaded on a cop with an AK, got 9 years out in less than 5, caught associating with the France attacker and its not even a parole violation? I can't believe there wasn't a hold put on them

    the armenpress article in your picture doesn't make any reference to any specific names...
    http://armenpress.am/eng/news/839579...nked-raid.html

    but yeah, i've come across several news outlets that DID specifically name the bakraoui brothers being detained... but then that nbc article says they were ALMOST captured.

    whole situation is eerie

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    They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ls-police-raid

    Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

    The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.
    How is it being scrubbed from the internet if you just gave us a link to a story about it on the internet?

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    BRUSSELS—In the wake of the terrorist attacks in Brussels that left over 30 dead and more than 100 injured, an angry and frustrated global populace collectively announced Tuesday that it would make one last attempt to try to understand this .

    Visibly exasperated residents from every country around the world told reporters that, after enduring so much similarly horrific in recent years, they would give comprehending barbaric acts of violence against innocent civilians and the intensely complex network of factors that motivate them “one more shot” before simply throwing their hands up and giving up entirely.

    “Okay, this is it—I swear to God this is the last time I’m going to sit here and try to make some sense of why these things keep happening, why these people are so angry, and what, if anything, we can possibly do to stop them,” said 48-year-old Medford, OR resident Adam Bennett, taking a deep breath and steeling himself for one last effort to gain some insight into this ing horrible . “Look, I’ve tried. I’ve tried to sympathize with the struggles of people in impoverished and war-torn countries. I’ve read about fundamentalist religious beliefs, and even the economic issues that lead to violence. But I still don’t get it, and to be perfectly honest with you, at this point, I don’t know if I ever will.”

    “So whatever I learn today is just going to have to do for all the attacks and bombings from here on out, because I’ve had it—I’ve ing had it,” Bennett continued. “I’m done.”

    “The thing is, maybe there isn’t anything to understand at all. Maybe this can’t even be comprehended, no matter how hard we try.”
    According to sources, the inhabitants of every one of the world’s nations plan to “give it a few more hours, tops” to figure out geopolitical and religious tensions throughout the Middle East; the continuing destabilizing effects of U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; the rise and expansion of ISIS; regional turmoil as a result of the Syrian civil war; centuries-long strife between Muslims, Jews, and Christians; centuries-long strife between Sunni and Shiite Muslims; unrest stemming from British and French governments dividing the Middle East into sovereign states during World War I; the vested interests of Western nations in Middle Eastern oil resources; the ongoing radicalization of young Muslims living in the West; and ultimately, what possible psychological conditions could actually lead a person, even under extreme duress, to make the conscious decision to take the lives of so many others who are simply and peacefully going about their daily lives.

    Noting repeatedly that they are “sick and ing tired” of attempting to gain some understanding of this bull , citizens of Europe, Africa, North and South America, Australia, and Asia all confirmed that, at this point, they’re willing to sit down and read maybe one or two more articles and opinion pieces on the subject before calling it quits.

    Many across the world, however, told reporters they didn’t hold much hope for making any sort of breakthrough as to why this keeps happening again and again, noting that their past efforts to achieve some sort of perspective certainly hadn’t made it any easier to wake up to news that dozens of men, women, and children were yet again savagely murdered in a public place by a bunch of fanatics convinced that the they were doing was somehow justified.

    “You know, I could sit here my entire life trying to figure this out, and I probably still wouldn’t fully understand it,” said 57-year-old Patrice Gomis of Dakar, Senegal. “The thing is, maybe there isn’t anything to understand at all. Maybe this can’t even be comprehended, no matter how hard we try.”

    “Well,” Gomis added, sighing, “I guess I’ll give it one more go.”

    Reached for comment, government leaders from hundreds of nations expressed similar frustrations over their attempts to make sense of this ing and come up with any realistic ways to prevent the same awful from happening in the future.

    “The attacks in Brussels this morning were appalling, tragic, and utterly senseless, and our thoughts are with the victims and their families,” said U.N. secretary-general Ban Ki-moon at a press conference in New York City. “Seriously, what the is even happening anymore? Why is the world like this? I’m the secretary-general of the goddamn United Nations and even I don’t understand this . Why would anyone ever do this?”

    “If anyone has any ideas, please contact me right away,” he added, “because seriously, this is the last ing time I put in any effort to figure this out.”

    Despite making one more honest effort to comprehend the causes behind it, the worldwide populace sadly confirmed that they already fully understand that this will continue happening unabated for the foreseeable future.

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    As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

    I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bull repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.
    There are at least a couple ways you can interpret that statement.

    The first one is the way many people, both liberals and conservatives but mainly liberals, have looked at it. Which is that it's discriminatory. On its face it certainly seems to be true. When coupled with his other rhetoric that alienates & demonizes other groups, it fits that narrative. I get it, and I wouldn't blame anyone for believing this taking exception to it.

    OTOH, his "temporary ban" can be looked at in a different light. I'd like for him to get into more specifics on it--but like everything he says, he hasn't--in order to figure out what his end-goal is here and how he plans to achieve it with the temporary ban. He says "we've got to figure out why they hate us". It's a fair question that doesn't leave out the possibility that we and/or our allies have, and have had, a hand in it. The ban sounds like a ty idea, but IF one of the things it means is that it will give us some pause to try and really figure out why things are the way they are, and among other things what WE can/have to do to help it, then I understand it. I don't think a temporary ban is needed, but it puts a spotlight on the issue. I think that assessment of his statement is probably a bit far-fetched tho.

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    Heh...didn't hear about this till I clicked internet explorer....took me a day and a half. Jesus.

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    "one last attempt to try to understand this "

    I doubt the global populace, which repeatedly votes AMERICA the greatest threat to world peace, is confused.

    America invaded Iraq for oil, destabilized the region, leading to 100Ks dead, Ms of refugees, while swearing support to Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

    Bataclan, 9/11, Zaventum, San Bernardino, etc are nothing but MUSLIM REVENGE, by people who have seen their friends, family, villages, countries displaced, killed, maimed, poisoned, ed up, revenge against USA, UK, etc for invading and ing up Muslim countries.



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