Kyle Anderson Full Game Highlight VS Memphis Grizzlies (13Points, 7Assists, 4 Steals)

[GSH]

I think people are overstating the level to which Pop shortens his rotation and especially the level to which he can be expected to do it this time.

I don't have to guess about how much Pop shortens rotations. It's easy enough to pull up basketball-reference, and look at who got minutes in the post-seasons. I did, and it was pretty clear to me that Pop favors a 9-man rotation, if he can get by with it. A few more guys always get garbage and fill-in minutes, but 9 guys is pretty much Pop's sweet spot for guys getting meaningful minutes. He played a lot of guys the year they breezed through the playoffs and kicked LeBron's ass. He played a lot of guys the year they lost in the first round to Dallas. In 04-05, the year they beat the Pistons in the Finals, he basically went with an 8-man rotation.

If Pop gives more than 9 guys meaningful minutes, it's probably a bad sign. This year, I'm guessing he will use 9, but maybe not the same 9 every game/series. I'm thinking 8 guys will play every game, and a couple of others will play some and sit some. When you look back on the playoff stats, I would bet that Kyle will show something like 9-10 minutes per game, but he won't have played every game. He'll average about 6 minutes for the total number of games the team plays. The 9th guy will average about twice that, more or less. The only way I see that changing much is if they have a blowout series, one way or the other. Like I said before, if Pop is playing a longer rotation than that, it's bad news.

How's that for a prediction?

[ceperez]

I don't have to guess about how much Pop shortens rotations. It's easy enough to pull up basketball-reference, and look at who got minutes in the post-seasons. I did, and it was pretty clear to me that Pop favors a 9-man rotation, if he can get by with it. A few more guys always get garbage and fill-in minutes, but 9 guys is pretty much Pop's sweet spot for guys getting meaningful minutes. He played a lot of guys the year they breezed through the playoffs and kicked LeBron's ass. He played a lot of guys the year they lost in the first round to Dallas. In 04-05, the year they beat the Pistons in the Finals, he basically went with an 8-man rotation.

If Pop gives more than 9 guys meaningful minutes, it's probably a bad sign. This year, I'm guessing he will use 9, but maybe not the same 9 every game/series. I'm thinking 8 guys will play every game, and a couple of others will play some and sit some. When you look back on the playoff stats, I would bet that Kyle will show something like 9-10 minutes per game, but he won't have played every game. He'll average about 6 minutes for the total number of games the team plays. The 9th guy will average about twice that, more or less. The only way I see that changing much is if they have a blowout series, one way or the other. Like I said before, if Pop is playing a longer rotation than that, it's bad news.

How's that for a prediction?

Hmmm..... I think it's going to be 10, not 9. If you say 9, then it means nobody is backing up Leonard and your playing either Green and Manu or Mills and Parker at the same time. Anderson is serviceable and contributes in all sorts of ways, so I think its 10 and Anderson plays.

Bonner, Miller, Martin, Simmons and Boban aren't playing unless its a blow out. However, I can see Boban playing against the like of Adams (Thunder) and Moskov (Cavs). I see Martin and Simmons putting in time playing small ball against GSW. It could be that West and Duncan don't play a lot against GSW.

[GSH]

Hmmm..... I think it's going to be 10, not 9. If you say 9, then it means nobody is backing up Leonard and your playing either Green and Manu or Mills and Parker at the same time. Anderson is serviceable and contributes in all sorts of ways, so I think its 10 and Anderson plays.

Can't argue with the logic. Personally, I think Pop is going to ride Kawhi like a racehorse. I think Kyle will get 10 minutes, plus or minus, but not play in some games. But we don't have to wait too long now, to find out which way it goes. The worst part of waiting is going to be all the meltdown threads on the nights Pop rests guys.

[SAGirl]

You don't like G. Hill comparaison... fine. Let's have a look at DeJuan... 2 years of college, 1 year younger than KA and he produced in two years twice as much as KA... you are getting short of excuses. BTW you are right about Dejuan limitation playing with no acl, KA has his limitations some difficult to correct (lack of lateral quickness) others you can work on (slow 3 pts release), thing is even working with the best shooting coach of the league, his form and release did not change much tbh...

for the rest I won't even bother... learn to read... I say KA is playing better than KMart between you and me that's not saying much. For knowing despite of that why I think KMart can be more useful than KA you just need to read what has been posted earlier

-Its no that I dont like G.HIll. It was b4 my time so I can't really comment anything else over the observation I noted.
-Dejuan limitation we agree.
-the final point and this one you may understand it or not. If you don't we can just part ways on this and probably leave it at that IMO. You have to acknowledge what he did well b4 he was drafted and question whether that has translated. Was Kyle previously a shooter? No. His NBA skill was rebounding (translated well), he was getting the same deflections, steals, and blocks in college despite his lack of athleticism bc he has terrific timing, anticipation, and good hands (that translated too), then his most valuable and unique/special skill was his court vision and his passing coupled with his reputation for a high BBIQ (that has translated too). We basically have the same guy he was in college.

Now, the areas that he needed to improve are the same. His shot looks different and remade, but its still slow which I think saps confidence. The su ion is that quickening it up is what has reduced his %. He shot 35% from 3 just last season, mostly from the wings/top not even the corner.

His defense was nonexistent allegedly. But he's improved as a defender a lot and is probably still getting better bc he will improve with added strength defending the post and won't be bullied as easily. B4 you jump on the gambling. It pays off for him frequently enough that disrupting the dribble is part of his defensive technique. He comes away with a lot of deflections and steals that way, and when he doesn't he still gets guys out of rhythm. Does not foul on those frequently either. Pop is known to use whatever tools a guy has and can use to his advantage. Patty and Manu gamble a lot too for example, sometimes to fail, but pays enough for them that its a plus, specially for Manu. Patty doesn't have many tools individually as a defender so being a pest and with quick feet getting into the body of someone as much as he can, is about all he can do. Kyle's long arms are his tool, and he has good enough hands to be effective at that. He also has good body control, can stay close enough to quicker players with his length outstretched that they can't easily get by him. You underestimate how much his size bothers guys. He can close out without flying by for the most part and can deny angles. He can negotiate screens relatively ok, but when he doesn't he can switch and won't have a tremendous mismatch. He gets hands on passing lanes which disrupts the pnr. He does several things that are a plus. Simmons gets blown by in the perimeter much more for example.

The rest, are developing areas of his game. But he probably will be best as a playmaker and his best games have been as that (no matter the spot he's playing defensively). We just won't see him in that role until some guys retire. Hopefully by that time we have a more developed player with us who can carry the burden.

[bklynspursfan]

I have nothing against the fact you call me out on Martin as I called you out on him before and no I'm not upset at all So far you are getting right, I'm just saying it is too soon to draw conclusion. There is a difference between Martin and KA, Martin is imo (opinion) underperforming in a system that should help him a lot, KA is progressing but slowly very slowly. There is not enough time for KA to be POs ready when there is enough time to see Martin finally acclimate and contribute imho.

Martin is quite smart playing off the ball, he thrieves on situation where he can get open, he is a border line career .40 3pts shooter, he is 7/18 with the Spurs. I fully expect him to increase FGAs from 3 pts and keep or improve his efficiency. Mart takes around 2,5 3PTA per game he is at 1,6 with Spurs and at 4 per 36 which is in line with Twolves but he already shot 5/6 per 36 in previous years, that's where he should be.

Blair's metrics were all also great at one point, it does not change the fact he has been badly exposed on defense numerous times

+1 been saying the same thing re: Martin.

[SAGirl]

finally SAGirl, if it makes you feel better thinking I hate your boy, fine... it's ok tbh I don't mind...

<3 It makes me happy. In good natured fun a lot of guys hate on my boy. then turn around and deny it, which leaves me wondering what the heck they were doing spewing negativity here. Now I kind of like you although you probably don't me. Lol have fun Brazil, we cool.

[SAGirl]

baited into a 8 page discussion of Kyle Anderson... you better than that Brazil...

All in good entertainment. I am easy to bait too. I have to sympathize with him.

[Chinook]

I don't have to guess about how much Pop shortens rotations. It's easy enough to pull up basketball-reference, and look at who got minutes in the post-seasons. I did, and it was pretty clear to me that Pop favors a 9-man rotation, if he can get by with it. A few more guys always get garbage and fill-in minutes, but 9 guys is pretty much Pop's sweet spot for guys getting meaningful minutes. He played a lot of guys the year they breezed through the playoffs and kicked LeBron's ass. He played a lot of guys the year they lost in the first round to Dallas. In 04-05, the year they beat the Pistons in the Finals, he basically went with an 8-man rotation.

If Pop gives more than 9 guys meaningful minutes, it's probably a bad sign. This year, I'm guessing he will use 9, but maybe not the same 9 every game/series. I'm thinking 8 guys will play every game, and a couple of others will play some and sit some. When you look back on the playoff stats, I would bet that Kyle will show something like 9-10 minutes per game, but he won't have played every game. He'll average about 6 minutes for the total number of games the team plays. The 9th guy will average about twice that, more or less. The only way I see that changing much is if they have a blowout series, one way or the other. Like I said before, if Pop is playing a longer rotation than that, it's bad news.

How's that for a prediction?

It's a poor one. You site a "nine-man rotation" and neglect to mention that for the last couple of years, that's meant three bigs and six smalls. The last time the Spurs have gone with five smalls was in Neal was both the backup PG and the fourth wing. Before that, you had Hill doing the same thing, except he was he starting two and the Spurs went with an eight-man rotation. Assuming Pop is going to drop Anderson and kept West in a nine-man rotation is not looking at history or at the Spurs' likely opponents. More important, it's not looking at the current state of the Spurs' players.

As I stated in the part of the post you cut out, the math doesn't support the Spurs playing three wings. Even if you assume Kawhi and Green average 40 a night, which I feel is high against anyone but Golden State (yeah, not even OKC or Cleveland), it still leaves Manu to cover the remaining 26 minutes, and that's a higher mpg than he's played the last two post-seasons. There's a real concern that he can't handle three series of that. The solution might be to play Mills more. But that has two problems. It increases Parker's mpg, which has similar problems to Manu's and it hurts the Spurs defense unless the other team is playing two PGs. The only teams that do that often are Cleveland and GS, though the Warriors shouldn't count with 6-7 Livingston being the other PG. It's an option, but it's not a stable option.

Then you add in small-ball, which is a factor even if you assume Diaw will get a lot of minutes in those cases. If the Spurs have success against GS' traditional lineup (which is pretty much dependent on LMA and Tim being good enough to beat Bogut and Green), they will likely go small exclusively. So it's set up for Anderson to get minutes, or at least for another perimeter player to get them. It's a similar issue with OKC and Cleveland (and Portland, but who cares?). Those are teams that can go small for whole games. Anderson's versatility makes him a better play for the ninth man in those cases.

[100%duncan]

oh and thinking I have an agenda towards a 10/15 mpg young dude playing for the spurs

... oh boy

[GSH]

It's a poor one. You site a "nine-man rotation" and neglect to mention that for the last couple of years, that's meant three bigs and six smalls. The last time the Spurs have gone with five smalls was in Neal was both the backup PG and the fourth wing. Before that, you had Hill doing the same thing, except he was he starting two and the Spurs went with an eight-man rotation. Assuming Pop is going to drop Anderson and kept West in a nine-man rotation is not looking at history or at the Spurs' likely opponents. More important, it's not looking at the current state of the Spurs' players.

As I stated in the part of the post you cut out, the math doesn't support the Spurs playing three wings. Even if you assume Kawhi and Green average 40 a night, which I feel is high against anyone but Golden State (yeah, not even OKC or Cleveland), it still leaves Manu to cover the remaining 26 minutes, and that's a higher mpg than he's played the last two post-seasons. There's a real concern that he can't handle three series of that. The solution might be to play Mills more. But that has two problems. It increases Parker's mpg, which has similar problems to Manu's and it hurts the Spurs defense unless the other team is playing two PGs. The only teams that do that often are Cleveland and GS, though the Warriors shouldn't count with 6-7 Livingston being the other PG. It's an option, but it's not a stable option.

Then you add in small-ball, which is a factor even if you assume Diaw will get a lot of minutes in those cases. If the Spurs have success against GS' traditional lineup (which is pretty much dependent on LMA and Tim being good enough to beat Bogut and Green), they will likely go small exclusively. So it's set up for Anderson to get minutes, or at least for another perimeter player to get them. It's a similar issue with OKC and Cleveland (and Portland, but who cares?). Those are teams that can go small for whole games. Anderson's versatility makes him a better play for the ninth man in those cases.

Look, do me one favor. I come here to try and talk ball with the few people still here who are capable of doing that. You're clearly one of those people. I generally don't talk to people who aren't Krew or attention s. Give me that much credit. And I didn't intentionally try to cut out any of your post - I just showed the part I was responding to, so the whole thing wouldn't take up so much space.

Even back in the summer, I felt like this was an all-in kind of season, and likely Duncan's last. (Largely because I think it's likely Duncan's last.) So, yeah, I think this team has a lot riding on a 38 year-old Manu Ginobili. I understand concern that he can't handle 26-ish minutes for the whole playoffs, but I think that's what Pop will try to get out of him. That's part of the reason I think that if Pop plays a longer rotation, it's bad news - because it will mean that Manu is hurt or just gassed, and we'll be watching Plan B. Maybe I'm just delusional for thinking that there is any possibility of Manu playing that many minutes, but that's what I'm expecting to see. I think he will ride the young guys, and push the older ones - and if the wheels come off, they come off.

If we keep this up, we're going to wind up splitting hairs over how many minutes it takes to be "meaningful". That winds up with two people both saying, "I told you so", and I don't want to go there. (That may be where some of our disagreement is coming from already?) I'm thinking he will try to give Andre Miller minutes in the first round. If he's solid, I think it will be the same in the second round, and Kyle's minutes will look more like what I said. If he isn't, they will probably be more like what you said. Honestly, I don't have a clue how he will go about trying to best Golden State, so I hadn't really gone there. But in general, I think Pop will lean away from a young, developing player in favor of seasoned vets, unless the situation just doesn't leave him any choice. I'm pretty sure that even you would agree that Pop has always avoided trusting young players too extensively, come playoff time. He expressed some regret for not playing George Hill more, but I don't think he's got Kyle in the same category as a young Hill. Maybe I'm wrong.

[SAGirl]

It's a poor one. You site a "nine-man rotation" and neglect to mention that for the last couple of years, that's meant three bigs and six smalls. The last time the Spurs have gone with five smalls was in Neal was both the backup PG and the fourth wing. Before that, you had Hill doing the same thing, except he was he starting two and the Spurs went with an eight-man rotation. Assuming Pop is going to drop Anderson and kept West in a nine-man rotation is not looking at history or at the Spurs' likely opponents. More important, it's not looking at the current state of the Spurs' players.

As I stated in the part of the post you cut out, the math doesn't support the Spurs playing three wings. Even if you assume Kawhi and Green average 40 a night, which I feel is high against anyone but Golden State (yeah, not even OKC or Cleveland), it still leaves Manu to cover the remaining 26 minutes, and that's a higher mpg than he's played the last two post-seasons. There's a real concern that he can't handle three series of that. The solution might be to play Mills more. But that has two problems. It increases Parker's mpg, which has similar problems to Manu's and it hurts the Spurs defense unless the other team is playing two PGs. The only teams that do that often are Cleveland and GS, though the Warriors shouldn't count with 6-7 Livingston being the other PG. It's an option, but it's not a stable option.

Then you add in small-ball, which is a factor even if you assume Diaw will get a lot of minutes in those cases. If the Spurs have success against GS' traditional lineup (which is pretty much dependent on LMA and Tim being good enough to beat Bogut and Green), they will likely go small exclusively. So it's set up for Anderson to get minutes, or at least for another perimeter player to get them. It's a similar issue with OKC and Cleveland (and Portland, but who cares?). Those are teams that can go small for whole games. Anderson's versatility makes him a better play for the ninth man in those cases.

Getting back to the subject of the playoff rotation and away from all my Anderson worship ( I have to take myself with some humor too), this discussion is really interesting and you are right. Every time we impose our defensive will and start beating a team, they go small. Pop has options for those minutes, but it depends what the other team is doing. These upcoming matches against GSW that Pop will tank I'd expect all our alternative options that got playing time against OKC to be playing. Anderson is getting the starting role and the toughest matches, that is no coincidence. I wonder if Pop will sit Kawhi/LMA too for those matches. Technically, they are young and don't need that rest, but if CIA Pop wants to hide his winning hand while in the meantime develop a wrinkle or two, he might sit them.

[Blake]

It's a poor one. You site a "nine-man rotation" and neglect to mention that for the last couple of years, that's meant three bigs and six smalls. The last time the Spurs have gone with five smalls was in Neal was both the backup PG and the fourth wing. Before that, you had Hill doing the same thing, except he was he starting two and the Spurs went with an eight-man rotation. Assuming Pop is going to drop Anderson and kept West in a nine-man rotation is not looking at history or at the Spurs' likely opponents. More important, it's not looking at the current state of the Spurs' players.

So to be clear, in a 9 man rotation that comes down to West or Kyle, you think West will be the odd man out?

[Kawhitstorm]

Really think this guy will be a starter in the league. I'm not sure he'll ever be able to defend legit fours, but against most teams, it'll be a no-brainer. I hope he develops and isn't shoe-horned into the sixth-man role because people think that the Spurs need a new Manu.

It's pretty clear that he isn't a good fit as a wing-player b/c he is a hesitant 3 point shooter & doesn't have the foot speed to guard scoring wings.

His future is as a backup point-forward who can check role players. He also plays like a slow-footed Shaun Livingston rather than Diaw.

[Kawhitstorm]

So to be clear, in a 9 man rotation that comes down to West or Kyle, you think West will be the odd man out?

Kyle is going to be CoJo status in the postseason. West will be in the rotation & will play MAJOR minutes when Tim is struggling offensively. West is also a better matchup against OKC's physical bigs than Diaw since he isn't afraid to mix it up. (Diaw can still be a major factor when OKC tries to play Durant at the 4)

[Blake]

Kyle is going to be CoJo status in the postseason. West will be in the rotation & will play MAJOR minutes when Tim is struggling offensively. West is also a better matchup against OKC's physical bigs than Diaw since he isn't afraid to mix it up. (Diaw can still be a major factor when OKC tries to play Durant at the 4)

Of course West will play big minutes. He didn't agree to come here for peanuts to sit and watch.

The 9 man will be Tim, Tony, Manu, Kawhi, LaMarcus, Boris, Patty, Danny, and West.

If it goes 10+, then we're talking scrub minutes for Kyle, Simmons and Bonner or whoever makes the playoff roster

[SAGirl]

Look, do me one favor. I come here to try and talk ball with the few people still here who are capable of doing that. You're clearly one of those people. I generally don't talk to people who aren't Krew or attention s. Give me that much credit. And I didn't intentionally try to cut out any of your post - I just showed the part I was responding to, so the whole thing wouldn't take up so much space.

Even back in the summer, I felt like this was an all-in kind of season, and likely Duncan's last. (Largely because I think it's likely Duncan's last.) So, yeah, I think this team has a lot riding on a 38 year-old Manu Ginobili. I understand concern that he can't handle 26-ish minutes for the whole playoffs, but I think that's what Pop will try to get out of him. That's part of the reason I think that if Pop plays a longer rotation, it's bad news - because it will mean that Manu is hurt or just gassed, and we'll be watching Plan B. Maybe I'm just delusional for thinking that there is any possibility of Manu playing that many minutes, but that's what I'm expecting to see. I think he will ride the young guys, and push the older ones - and if the wheels come off, they come off.

If we keep this up, we're going to wind up splitting hairs over how many minutes it takes to be "meaningful". That winds up with two people both saying, "I told you so", and I don't want to go there. (That may be where some of our disagreement is coming from already?) I'm thinking he will try to give Andre Miller minutes in the first round. If he's solid, I think it will be the same in the second round, and Kyle's minutes will look more like what I said. If he isn't, they will probably be more like what you said. Honestly, I don't have a clue how he will go about trying to best Golden State, so I hadn't really gone there. But in general, I think Pop will lean away from a young, developing player in favor of seasoned vets, unless the situation just doesn't leave him any choice. I'm pretty sure that even you would agree that Pop has always avoided trusting young players too extensively, come playoff time. He expressed some regret for not playing George Hill more, but I don't think he's got Kyle in the same category as a young Hill. Maybe I'm wrong.

GSH, I appreciate you, but Manu hasn't done well in games playing 26-28ish minutes. There were very few of those this season, and he didn't exactly do well. Last season he went kaput on us after being overplayed and was not the same guy the rest of the season or in the playoffs.

As nice as his shot was against the depleted Pelicans it goes out after the 20-24 mark and his decision making becomes compromised and these playoffs games are not like those games. That is why Pop got Miller, K.Martin and has prioritized Anderson. Even Simmons is still around and getting development time. He's the last option, but he's still an option.

I do think we will need more minutes at the wing other than just the 3. Granted depending matches, you can ride A.Miller for a few minutes, but that is depending matches.

Although I am pro Anderson, I have also been on the record stating I want us to win. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me if my guy doesn't play if he's not ready. I am also not in some K.Martin hate wagon. It may appear that way, but its mostly because I have questioned the devotion to him when he hasn't shown much of anything yet, meantime Anderson shows up in games and helps us win games and he is underrated.

Either way though, I hope we have someone come through to give guys a breather. It might be more relevant to get the old guys to close the game with the energy to do so, than to ride them all game and not try a roleplayer out for a few minutes.

We can't even ignore the fact Bonner started games in the WCF against OKC. Granted the key matchup was Diaw. But the point is we can't ignore or discard any of these roleplayers Pop is developing as playing a small part in a championship. By the looks of what Pop is doing, it looks like getting them in rhythm and playing well right this second is more important than the rest of the team. It makes sense when one considers the late additions on the one hand not playing too well yet (Martin) and the young players needing as much development as you can spare them to be as ready as they can be at their respective stages of development (not just Anderson, but Simmons and Boban too. The fact Anderson has played so much more than the other two just gives you an inclination of how important his development this season is).

[ElNono]

Manu will play 20 to 25 mpg... I would hazard closer to 25, since he doesn't look anywhere near as banged up as he did last season... but if there's an extra 4-5 mins there, it's gonna be either Green or Martin that fill those mins up, depending on the matchup and if you can hide KMart somewhere, IMO. I think Kyle will get a shot in the 1st round at the 8-10 mins Kawhi will sit down and rest, and any potential garbage time...

[ElNono]

GSH, I appreciate you, but Manu hasn't done well in games playing 26-28ish minutes. There were very few of those this season, and he didn't exactly do well. Last season he went kaput on us after being overplayed and was not the same guy the rest of the season or in the playoffs.

As nice as his shot was against the depleted Pelicans it goes out after the 20-24 mark and his decision making becomes compromised and these playoffs games are not like those games.

Wash your mouth before talking about a HoF like that. Yes, he was burned out last season, yet he outperformed his compe ion and was above average throughout the series. He looks fairly rested this season (despite obviously showing his age here or there), and you simply just never doubt Gino in the playoffs. He's one of the few guys that always elevates his games when his best is needed.

Frankly, if Manu can't give you a solid 20-25 mins, this team has no chance at a championship... we might as well play Bonner-Anderson and rest everybody else for next season, tbh...

[weeks]

manu was very underwhelming last year against the clips
i hope he's got his legs beneath him this time

[dabom]

Wash your mouth before talking about a HoF like that. Yes, he was burned out last season, yet he outperformed his compe ion and was above average throughout the series. He looks fairly rested this season (despite obviously showing his age here or there), and you simply just never doubt Gino in the playoffs. He's one of the few guys that always elevates his games when his best is needed.

Frankly, if Manu can't give you a solid 20-25 mins, this team has no chance at a championship... we might as well play Bonner-Anderson and rest everybody else for next season, tbh...

It's a troll bro. The troll always takes subtle digs nonchalant. You can see the weak tactic a mile away. Then cry wolf(calls you a troll) to deflect when the troll is losing.

[ElNono]

manu was very underwhelming last year against the clips
i hope he's got his legs beneath him this time

He wasn't great, but he outplayed Crawford, and posted a PER of 16... if you're looking for super Manu every game, yeah, that's not going to happen. But he'll give you solid play and a spectacular game here or there. At any rate, this team's makeup is fairly different this season, and we should rely a lot less on his scoring. His playmaking is vital though.

[SAGirl]

So to be clear, in a 9 man rotation that comes down to West or Kyle, you think West will be the odd man out?

It depends on what the other team is doing. D.West can be the odd man out but not bc of Kyle. Rather bc Pop may want to split LMA and TD. In that case TD in the bench takes D.West spot. I find this scenario very unpalatable for Pop. He will try to stick with his bigs, but if the other coach forces his hand, then he's forced.

[Blake]

manu was very underwhelming last year against the clips
i hope he's got his legs beneath him this time

Well we know he's got balls

[SAGirl]

Wash your mouth before talking about a HoF like that. Yes, he was burned out last season, yet he outperformed his compe ion and was above average throughout the series. He looks fairly rested this season (despite obviously showing his age here or there), and you simply just never doubt Gino in the playoffs. He's one of the few guys that always elevates his games when his best is needed.

Frankly, if Manu can't give you a solid 20-25 mins, this team has no chance at a championship... we might as well play Bonner-Anderson and rest everybody else for next season, tbh...

I am not hating on Manu. IMO it is really more important to spare his strength. He really was overplayed for a stretch and declined in production last season. Whether it was mental/grind I don't know. He had a rough go after December Nono, and he's really not played a lot of 26-28 minutes games which is what ppl are talking about here this season. I suppose he can give you that one or two games, but really all through the postseason, that is unreal.

[ElNono]

It's a troll bro. The troll always takes subtle digs nonchalant. You can see the weak tactic a mile away. Then cry wolf(calls you a troll) to deflect when the troll is losing.

sup bro, why do they keep deleting your Parker threads, tbh?