Kyle Anderson Full Game Highlight VS Memphis Grizzlies (13Points, 7Assists, 4 Steals)

[ElNono]

This is why using mpg was always a poor choice. I am more talking about Brazil than you. But yeah. Anderson has played 18.2 minutes per game since Martin's been on the team. Half of Martin's total Spurs minutes (74) have been in the last three games, and Anderson has played more minutes (91) in those games. They really aren't close right now. Of the 10 games Martin and Anderson have both played, Kyle has played more minutes in seven of those.

Lots of injuries/resting in the last 3 games, not sure it's a barometer.

He got Boban for the same reason. That doesn't mean either will be in the playoff rotation.

He was asked point blank about that when we added him though, IIRC... (if the team could use him due to being in the team so late)

I mean, I'll have much less of a problem if Kyle has a medium role in the playoffs than Bonner...

[ElNono]

Why all the hate for KA?

This is the other argument I don't get. It's not "hating" to say he's still young and some people just think he's not ready yet for a bigger playoff role.

[AFMadison]

Kyle will see some PT past the first round. I don't understand the attacks on SAgirl. Kyle has had his ups and downs but has shown improvement. I doubt we see Kyle against the Warriors, but if we play the Thunder I think he gets meaningful pt, not in crunch time.

[GSH]

This is not his only good game. He had several good games when we were shorthanded. We probably don't win 12 games without Kawhi, Tim and Manu unless he played well. In Pop's interview in the article I quoted above Pop stated quite literally that "he's a good player and that he's been doing that all season." (Imo, showing up with good play when we have been shorthanded). If anything, he hasn't been played enough to his strengths bc he has been shoehorned into a role by the needs of this current team and he is still learning how to play.

He wasn't a match for Durant but really, there are few guys in the league who are, and they are max or near max players. If that is your standard then you are being unreasonable. He's a quality bench player currently. Against other bench players or some non star players like Matt Barnes he can have good games. That frankly is a nice young player to have.

He's been "shoehorned into a role"? What, exactly, is his role? You're the one who called him a stretch-4, just a day or two before. Actually, you've called him a wing, a stretch-4, and a point-forward. He's everything but a C, according to you. Yeah, that's a pretty amazing player to have.

When the resident bandwagon can't put her finger on exactly what he is, it's because he hasn't distinguished himself at any of those things. In the playoffs, he'll be facing guys who HAVE distinguished themselves at their positions. And that's why so few tweeners are factors on good teams. I've more than given Anderson the benefit of a doubt, but damned if I'm buying into the BS that he's some multi-faceted Diaw 2.0. He's a damn tweener. When he's a point, people crow because he's a TALL point, not because he's a really good point. When he's a big, people crow because he's a big who can put the ball on the floor, not because he's a really good big. That's pretty much the definition of tweener.

I notice you didn't comment on the fact that he's only made 2 3-pointers in a game twice. So the "stretch" is sort of a stretch. Don't blame me for noticing.

[GSH]

This is the other argument I don't get. It's not "hating" to say he's still young and some people just think he's not ready yet for a bigger playoff role.

We have a winner!

[Rustyman]

This is the other argument I don't get. It's not "hating" to say he's still young and some people just think he's not ready yet for a bigger playoff role.

That's my point though. He is young. He is not the finished article. He still has no clearly defined position.

However, he has talent. We can see that. He is a playmaker. Hopefully he becomes a better and more willing shooter. He probably will not be able to improve his speed much but he has quick and active hands a very good basketball IQ so there is a reasonable expectation that he will improve as a player.

I was more referring to the comments which seem to imply he is trash and will never amount to much as a player. I think he has the potential to become a starter in the next couple of years or a Manu style bench player.

I just don't understand the constant insults about his looks and his game.

[GSH]

That's my point though. He is young. He is not the finished article. He still has no clearly defined position.

However, he has talent. We can see that. He is a playmaker. Hopefully he becomes a better and more willing shooter. He probably will not be able to improve his speed much but he has quick and active hands a very good basketball IQ so there is a reasonable expectation that he will improve as a player.

I was more referring to the comments which seem to imply he is trash and will never amount to much as a player. I think he has the potential to become a starter in the next couple of years or a Manu style bench player.

I just don't understand the constant insults about his looks and his game.

Someone questioned whether he will get a lot of minutes in the playoffs. A few people said they don't think so, and that equals hating? So tell me... how is someone supposed to explain WHY they don't think he gets a lot of playoff minutes without being able to discuss his game?

Better still... even YOU say that "he's still young", he "has no clearly defined position", and "he is not the finished article". What about that makes you think he will get a lot of playoff minutes? Or should?

[SAGirl]

One good game, and he went from being a Stretch-4 to a Point-Forward. (I guess four guys like Kyle and a Center, and you'd have a complete team.) How many times this season has Fathead made more than one 3-pointers in a single game? Twice. Two times he's made two 3-pointers in a game. And we all saw what happens when he's put on someone like Durant. It's kinda hard to be either a Stretch-4 or a Point-Forward when you don't stretch the defense, you aren't strong enough to post up forwards, and you really can't defend like a forward.

You know what a "taint" is? ('Taint your ass and 'taint your balls neither.) With a few exceptions, "combo" players are the taints of the NBA. That's because they get forced into the worst of both skill sets by good teams. They can be good players - except in those situations where they aren't.

I've said from the beginning that Kyle should be able to develop into a useful role/situation player. Boris has the strength to post up a lot of guys, and the handles to go under/around a lot of others. His skills and physical attributes are good enough to actually dominate in a lot of situations. Kyle is adequate in a number of areas. Which, translated, means that he gets his ass kicked about as often as he kicks ass. He'll have some good games, depending on who he's matched up with. But he needs work and improvement before he's consistent enough to be a meaningful playoff player for the Spurs.

BTW - since nobody has mentioned it, the one noteworthy area where Kyle has improved is his in-between game. So he's shooting a lot more of those shots this season, and his FG% has improved. Did you see him on that fast break against Memphis? A good Point-Forward would have taken it to the rack. But Kyle gets run down from behind a LOT on fast breaks, and doesn't have the athleticism to adjust at the rim to be sure he doesn't get blocked. So Fathead stops a fast break to pull up and shoot about a 14-footer. THAT is his comfort zone. To his credit, he knocked it down. But even a good percentage on those shots is a lot worse than the layups that fast breaks should be getting.

I think combo forward used to be the taint. Nowadays there are guys like Draymond, Giannis, who defy a description. I don't think Kyle is on that level but he defies definition. He could legitimately be played as a 3 and would be fine in any other team. He has the skills for it. I think it is Pop who has wanted him to learn to play as a 4. Many of the bad combo forwards come into the league as undersized 4 that cannot play in the perimeter as a 3, but they are also not an NBA 4. Kyle is unusual bc he came in as a perimeter player that Pop wants to at least play partially as a 4, and this is just based on watching the amount of time Pop has him at this spot + I imagine all the sessions they review tape so he can correct mistakes, specially defensively. It is a bit different.

I didn't dispute the 3 point shooting bc he's been reluctant to shoot (athough lately he's letting go at least a couple per game.) He's still not a good enough shooter and why make an issue of that. I don't act like he has no flaws. He's still like Diaw, will probably not launch every time he could launch, but he's shooting more than he used to and as you point out, he's made a couple recently too.

I do critique and admit his limitations, I just probably appreciate his good skills (how smart he is and his passing) and I believe he can still make improvements to his game bc it is early in his career, unlike veterans who are who they are and you live with the good and the bad.

[Rustyman]

Someone questioned whether he will get a lot of minutes in the playoffs. A few people said they don't think so, and that equals hating? So tell me... how is someone supposed to explain WHY they don't think he gets a lot of playoff minutes without being able to discuss his game?

Better still... even YOU say that "he's still young", he "has no clearly defined position", and "he is not the finished article". What about that makes you think he will get a lot of playoff minutes? Or should?

I said nothing about playoff minutes but if it requires someone to trash a player to make his argument, then obviously I don't understand that line of reasoning.

If you think he is not getting major playoff minutes, I agree. If you think he is not getting any playoff minutes, I disagree. In the end, his minutes will be decided by Pop's decision on what are good matchup's for Kyle and his performance on the court.

Everything else is poorly founded supposition with those shouting largest making the most outlandish claims.

[SAGirl]

That's my point though. He is young. He is not the finished article. He still has no clearly defined position.

However, he has talent. We can see that. He is a playmaker. Hopefully he becomes a better and more willing shooter. He probably will not be able to improve his speed much but he has quick and active hands a very good basketball IQ so there is a reasonable expectation that he will improve as a player.

I was more referring to the comments which seem to imply he is trash and will never amount to much as a player. I think he has the potential to become a starter in the next couple of years or a Manu style bench player.

I just don't understand the constant insults about his looks and his game.

ElNono isn't one of these guys, and there are a few others guys who are not a fan of him and will be critical, and that is fine, but then there is a whole other section of kids who post here who love to just troll. Fir them he's just "the flavor of the month." Last season it was Tony.

I just ignore those guys for the most part bc they can't be engaged in any reasonable interesting discussion and they just crave attention. All their hating on Kyle even after good games might be a call for attention. I let you to sort out who these guys are.

[GSH]

I think combo forward used to be the taint. Nowadays there are guys like Draymond, Giannis, who defy a description. I don't think Kyle is on that level but he defies definition.

I said there were exceptions - but not many. Giannis has freakish athleticism, and Draymond has an unusual combination of athleticism and strength. (I think Green has been juicing, but that's another story.) It takes exceptional physical ability and skills to be a really successful combo player. It requires things that can't be taught. Anderson isn't on that level, and he isn't ever going to be on that level. That's not a knock on him as a player, it's just reality. I don't think a lot of you understand - a player who "could" be a lot of things, but isn't really any of them? That's bad.

The other thing is a lot of you keep moving the target. You talk about what a great player he IS, and when someone points out the obvious you fall back on "He's still young" and get all butthurt. He is what he is today, regardless of what he may develop into. You can't really put your finger on what role/position he plays right now, which ought to tell you something about how he will be used in the playoffs. If you want to talk about his potential, let's talk about his potential. If you want to talk about right now, talk about that. But when you do both at the same time, it just sounds like a lovesick fan making excuses.

Personally, I'm impressed by the way he fights on the inside, and comes up with rebounds and loose balls. I think he needs to hit the weight room, and commit to being a forward. The guard positions in the NBA just require more quickness and explosiveness than he has. (I can't count the number of exceptionally tall guards I've thought were going to change the game, but haven't.) I think he'll have a lot more success bumping bigger guys than trying to stay in front of smaller, quicker ones - if he gets stronger.

But whatever happens, he needs to stake a claim to a position and be the best he can be at it. He's not going to be one of the exceptional combo players in the league. He's smart, and he has skills, but he doesn't have the physical attributes for that.

[GSH]

I said nothing about playoff minutes but if it requires someone to trash a player to make his argument, then obviously I don't understand that line of reasoning.

If you think he is not getting major playoff minutes, I agree. If you think he is not getting any playoff minutes, I disagree.

I'm going to try to say this in a nice way. It's good to read the discussion you're jumping into. Most of the discussion on the last several pages had to do with Anderson's possible minutes/matchups in the upcoming playoffs.

And pointing out limitations in a guy's current skill set isn't "trashing" him. I don't know what to tell you - it just isn't. It's people saying, "I don't think Pop goes to him a lot in the playoffs, and here's why." If he's your boy, by all means step up and defend him. But a lot of people here have watched the Spurs for a lot of years, and we've seen how Pop shortens rotations drastically, and how he values experience and consistency over youth and exuberance. Which one of those descriptions do you think best fits KA?

[SAGirl]

Kyle will see some PT past the first round. I don't understand the attacks on SAgirl. Kyle has had his ups and downs but has shown improvement. I doubt we see Kyle against the Warriors, but if we play the Thunder I think he gets meaningful pt, not in crunch time.

I don't understand it either but I have been more vocal in his favor than most, which makes ppl think I am blind or something and makes me a target I guess. I don't think he's flawless, but I like him as a player and specially I like what he brings to our team and I love the fact that he's so young and is being developed by Pop hands on. Only good players come out from Pop's personal dedicated involvement this early in their careers. POP has super high standards that players this young generally he doesn't get to coach. That we draft lower in the draft also means we rarely, very rarely have guys this young either, and the ones that have stuck with Pop have turned into a rotation player at least. Kawhi's and Cojo were the mist recent. And though Cojo didn't look like much fir a good 3 years, he's now a rotation player in a good playoff team and he's playing more minutes than he was in the Spurs. Kyle IMO has more potential than CoJo, which makes his ceiling to at least a quality rotation player in a good playoff team that I hope we continue to be after the big 2 retire.

It's not like I have stated he's the perfect player either, but he's very unique and his passing talent while a bit redundant in this current Spurs team will be extremely valuable when we lose Manu and Tim, both terrific passers and by that point Kyle will be 23 or 24, and had a few years to develop with the older crew and learn. Maybe even playoff experience by then. It just bodes well for us if he develops nicely. I would expect real fans of the team to be more excited about the prospect but some ppl can't see it, and that is fine, but why they feel the need to sour even good performances from him has to be some cry for attention or something weirder.

[SAGirl]

I'm going to try to say this in a nice way. It's good to read the discussion you're jumping into. Most of the discussion on the last several pages had to do with Anderson's possible minutes/matchups in the upcoming playoffs.

And pointing out limitations in a guy's current skill set isn't "trashing" him. I don't know what to tell you - it just isn't. It's people saying, "I don't think Pop goes to him a lot in the playoffs, and here's why." If he's your boy, by all means step up and defend him. But a lot of people here have watched the Spurs for a lot of years, and we've seen how Pop shortens rotations drastically, and how he values experience and consistency over youth and exuberance. Which one of those descriptions do you think best fits KA?

I can't speak fir others, but most have not been as reasonable as you and Nono. There is a good bit of trolling around and that's part if the nature of the forum. Just wanted to let you know that when I talk about that in general I don't consider you to be a part if it, although you clearly don't like him, or like Nono said you think he needs more time.

After the 3 known wings though. We have no one else. Neither Martin, nor Simmons has looked better. Martin is supposed to bring offense and he hasn't. He also likes yo take very bad shots. Simmons is probably less developed than Kyle. He's got super athleticism a valuable NBA skill for a team so old an unathlertic in general, but for him I really have to say, maybe next season. Although I don't mind Pop continuing to develop him bc who knows. Kyle is probably your best guy in foul trouble situations or to buy someone a breather. We shall see, but he seems to me to have earned a chance. As I said long ago, what he does with that chance is another story. That is pure speculation.

[AFMadison]

I don't understand it either but I have been more vocal in his favor than most, which makes ppl think I am blind or something and makes me a target I guess. I don't think he's flawless, but I like him as a player and specially I like what he brings to our team and I love the fact that he's so young and is being developed by Pop hands on. Only good players come out from Pop's personal dedicated involvement this early in their careers. POP has super high standards that players this young generally he doesn't get to coach. That we draft lower in the draft also means we rarely, very rarely have guys this young either, and the ones that have stuck with Pop have turned into a rotation player at least. Kawhi's and Cojo were the mist recent. And though Cojo didn't look like much fir a good 3 years, he's now a rotation player in a good playoff team and he's playing more minutes than he was in the Spurs. Kyle IMO has more potential than CoJo, which makes his ceiling to at least a quality rotation player in a good playoff team that I hope we continue to be after the big 2 retire.

It's not like I have stated he's the perfect player either, but he's very unique and his passing talent while a bit redundant in this current Spurs team will be extremely valuable when we lose Manu and Tim, both terrific passers and by that point Kyle will be 23 or 24, and had a few years to develop with the older crew and learn. Maybe even playoff experience by then. It just bodes well for us if he develops nicely. I would expect real fans of the team to be more excited about the prospect but some ppl can't see it, and that is fine, but why they feel the need to sour even good performances from him has to be some cry for attention or something weirder.

Agreed. I think post Duncan/Manu. Kyle will be essential to the team.

[SAGirl]

I said there were exceptions - but not many. Giannis has freakish athleticism, and Draymond has an unusual combination of athleticism and strength. (I think Green has been juicing, but that's another story.) It takes exceptional physical ability and skills to be a really successful combo player. It requires things that can't be taught. Anderson isn't on that level, and he isn't ever going to be on that level. That's not a knock on him as a player, it's just reality. I don't think a lot of you understand - a player who "could" be a lot of things, but isn't really any of them? That's bad.

The other thing is a lot of you keep moving the target. You talk about what a great player he IS, and when someone points out the obvious you fall back on "He's still young" and get all butthurt. He is what he is today, regardless of what he may develop into. You can't really put your finger on what role/position he plays right now, which ought to tell you something about how he will be used in the playoffs. If you want to talk about his potential, let's talk about his potential. If you want to talk about right now, talk about that. But when you do both at the same time, it just sounds like a lovesick fan making excuses.

Personally, I'm impressed by the way he fights on the inside, and comes up with rebounds and loose balls. I think he needs to hit the weight room, and commit to being a forward. The guard positions in the NBA just require more quickness and explosiveness than he has. (I can't count the number of exceptionally tall guards I've thought were going to change the game, but haven't.) I think he'll have a lot more success bumping bigger guys than trying to stay in front of smaller, quicker ones - if he gets stronger.

But whatever happens, he needs to stake a claim to a position and be the best he can be at it. He's not going to be one of the exceptional combo players in the league. He's smart, and he has skills, but he doesn't have the physical attributes for that.

You have to tell that to Pop not me. By all means Pop is the one who has him playing all these positions and we can all look at what they (Pop and him) are doing and speculate, but by all means Pop has something in mind for him that will not come into fruition now bc if it is a 4, he cannot play that full time right now. He can handle some matches for you. He looks stronger than he was last season and his muscle gain is normal over time. But I cannot say anything about that end. The trainers should know what is feasible for a guy like him, with a long, lanky body frame. Then Pop has played him anything from a 1-3 in real games. You can speculate on your own about that too. It's possible what he can be or will be cannot be unleashed right now bc there are others in the roster taking his ideal spot, but he's not yet fully developed as a player so it is for the best. That is what I mean when I say he's shoehorned into a role that is what we need from him right now but it's not where you will get the best from him. He really shines making plays for others and he's only bound to get better in that area too as he understands the NBA timing, anticipation, and his teammates tendencies etc.

Ideally you'd want him to play more with the ball like he did when Manu was out. He had opportunities to make plays for others and he did. Off the ball play, is an area of weakness that he still needs to develop. He's not a guy used to having others make plays for him. Learning to let go a little bit of the tendency to pass to be chucking shots a little when he's spotting up. It's not in his nature. If you hesitate even a little on your shot your window to shoot is gone in the NBA. He's not automatic to want to shoot when he's open and he wasn't previously a shooter either. It requires a bit of reprogramming.

It goes beyond spotting up. How and when to cut. He's hesitant on cuts. I think he doesn't want to clog the paint and yet at the same time, if you don't cut with a purpose there is no point to the cut. There are many things like that about him playing off the ball. It's probably a necessary step that he has to learn, but those things were not part of his game. In reality he shines for you when he's the one finding cutters, not the other way around. That is what I mean when you don't play someone at his best spot or to his best best attributes as a player.

[Brazil]

but also

There's no reason at all to trust Anderson over Martin right now. None at all.

[Brazil]

Only in Spurs talk a young roleplayer has a good game and instead of being inspired since we have so few good young prospects it inspires a hate wagon.!

hate... like I hate Kyle Anderson

Only in Spurs talk a young role player triggers that much of biased and homerism tbh... player fans

The rest of your post is also ... The team needed immediately George skill set and the team did not want to win a ring so let him develop in his own time... oh boy

[Chinook]

but also

Yes. Anderson has better chemistry with his teammates and is a better all-around player. Literally the only thing Martin has going for him is age. It's not close to anyone who's looking at this objectively.

[Brazil]

I'm going to try to say this in a nice way. It's good to read the discussion you're jumping into. Most of the discussion on the last several pages had to do with Anderson's possible minutes/matchups in the upcoming playoffs.

And pointing out limitations in a guy's current skill set isn't "trashing" him. I don't know what to tell you - it just isn't. It's people saying, "I don't think Pop goes to him a lot in the playoffs, and here's why." If he's your boy, by all means step up and defend him. But a lot of people here have watched the Spurs for a lot of years, and we've seen how Pop shortens rotations drastically, and how he values experience and consistency over youth and exuberance. Which one of those descriptions do you think best fits KA?

yup that's pretty much indeed the nice way to say it

[Brazil]

Yes. Anderson is a better all-around player.

Your opinion not a fact

Literally the only thing Martin has going for him is age.

Again opinion

It's not close to anyone who's looking at this objectively.

Because now you are the one to draw the line regarding what is objective or not.

So let me give me objectivity... KA sucks... If you disagree it is because you are not objective

[Chinook]

I'm going to try to say this in a nice way. It's good to read the discussion you're jumping into. Most of the discussion on the last several pages had to do with Anderson's possible minutes/matchups in the upcoming playoffs.

And pointing out limitations in a guy's current skill set isn't "trashing" him. I don't know what to tell you - it just isn't. It's people saying, "I don't think Pop goes to him a lot in the playoffs, and here's why." If he's your boy, by all means step up and defend him. But a lot of people here have watched the Spurs for a lot of years, and we've seen how Pop shortens rotations drastically, and how he values experience and consistency over youth and exuberance. Which one of those descriptions do you think best fits KA?

I think people are overstating the level to which Pop shortens his rotation and especially the level to which he can be expected to do it this time. Pop doesn't go into a series expecting to only play eight or nine guys. He'll only do that if match-ups dictate it. The Spurs may face a lot of small-ball coming up, and while I think they'd like to stay big, they'll probably end up matching them. Anderson makes sense there, especially with Butler off the team. And Pop will only play Kawhi a ton of minutes if he needs to. So Anderson or someone else will get minutes.

People looking at history forget that Pop was able to shorten his rotation because he has three HoFers in their primes or at least close to it. Now, Manu and Duncan are just too old to play enough minutes to fill the cracks. Like Kawhi will get 38 minutes, Green will get 32. The combined 70 minutes seems reasonable if not on the high side. Manu isn't playing 26 mpg at his age. There's a definite trend of diminishing returns with him, and he shouldn't be counted on to have many good games at that work load. And the easy solution may seem to be to play Mills at the two, but 1, Parker shouldn't be overplayed either and 2, that small back court has major defensive issues, especially considering that OKC and GS don't play two small guards together.

So Anderson should get a chance to get minutes. There will be a spot there that'll go between him, Martin and Miller. West will get some minutes at the five, but his minutes at the four are also up for conversation considering small-ball. Between Kyle and the Minny buyouts, he has the edge. He's better, more versatile and has more experience in the system. Could he flub it up? Yes. But there's really no indication that he's not the leading candidate right now. Pop would be playing Martin and Miller a lot more if they were ahead of Anderson, as they need the experience.

[Chinook]

Your opinion not a fact

You were so keen to use Martin's stats before, but now that they are souring with a larger sample size, you're content to say they're inconclusive. Again, you seem to admit Anderson has better chemistry with his teammates, so even if that's the only reason, it's one reason why Anderson is ahead of Martin, compared to no evidence at all from the Kevin camp.

Because now you are the one to draw the line regarding what is objective or not.

I'm looking at the objective evidence of their playing time and their performance. You guys are clinging to what you feel Pop's been known to do, with most of that being misrepresented.

[Brazil]

You were so keen to use Martin's stats before, but now that they are souring with a larger sample size, you're content to say they're inconclusive. Again, you seem to admit Anderson has better chemistry with his teammates, so even if that's the only reason, it's one reason why Anderson is ahead of Martin, compared to no evidence at all from the Kevin camp.

dude... I was yes keen to say that Twolves stats were totally irrelevant to project K Martin as a Spurs palyer, you were the one using past stats to back up the claim that it will be a bust.

Then I used stats to push your a little about in particular playing time that you assumed would be only 3 per game during garbage time. Then I said he had 3 terrible games, what else do you want me to say ? Now contrary to you I consider 10 games is a small sample to definitely writte off a player totally new to Spurs system.

of course I admit KA has better chemistry... smh

Chemistry is not a reason enough to say he is ahead of Martin... You play that card I go with Experience matters, Martin has 100 times more than KA, this criteria is more important than Chemistry and btw this is the only way objective way to see it... easy right ?

Guess what, that's my opinion, this opinion is not less objective than yours

I'm looking at the objective evidence of their playing time and their performance. You guys are clinging to what you feel Pop's been known to do, with most of that being misrepresented.

small size

I am pretty sure Pop does not know yet what he has with Martin so I am pretty sure also he has no idea how he will distribute minutes for end of bench rotation players like KA or Martin. Now my opinion is KA won't see that much of PT during these POs

[Chinook]

dude... I was yes keen to say that Twolves stats were totally irrelevant to project K Martin as a Spurs palyer, you were the one using past stats to back up the claim that it will be a bust.

We aren't going to rehash this. I said too many times that my reasons for not wanting Martin to be a rotation player went far beyond his stats I did say that being a Spur wasn't going to make him more efficient, and while I agree nothing is definitive yet, that's being born out. As of yet, you have to hope the future bears your point out, because right now you don't have a leg to stand on.

Then I used stats to push your a little about in particular playing time that you assumed would be only 3 per game during garbage time.

I never said, he'd play three per game. I did say he'd pretty much just play garbage time and injury time. And that's made up almost 80 percent of his minutes so far. And this is in the regular season after the Spurs are locked into their playoff spot.

Now contrary to you I consider 10 games is a small sample to definitely writte off a player totally new to Spurs system.

Why do you keep lying about this over and over again?

Chemistry is not a reason enough to say he is ahead of Martin... You play that card I go with Experience matters, Martin has 100 times more than KA, this criteria is more important than Chemistry and btw this is the only way objective way to see it... easy right ?

Not really. Experience doesn't matter if you don't know the plays and your teammates. This isn't like Pop going with Jack over Green in 2012 (which was also a mistake, but whatever). Martin's pretty much played no minutes with the main guys. Anderson's been ahead of him in the rotation every game. That might now be a reason why Kyle SHOULD be ahead of Kevin, but it is damn sure evidence that he IS currently ahead of him.

Guess what, that's my opinion, this opinion is not less objective than yours

Yes, it is, because it's based on speculation and not evidence.

I am pretty sure Pop does not know yet what he has with Martin so I am pretty sure also he has no idea how he will distribute minutes for end of bench rotation players like KA or Martin.

Anderson isn't not an end-of-bench player. He's usually the ninth man in the game. Simmons is an end-of-bench guy. Martin is between them.

Now my opinion is KA won't see that much of PT during these POs

"That much" is subjective as . I don't think anyone feels he's getting like 15 mpg in every series. But I do think he'll be the guy ahead of Martin to get the scrap minutes unless he falls apart. Sometimes, that might be six minutes. Sometimes, it might be 20. I've resisted defining rotational roles by minutes for that reason.