Kyle Anderson Full Game Highlight VS Memphis Grizzlies (13Points, 7Assists, 4 Steals)

[Brazil]

We aren't going to rehash this. I said too many times that my reasons for not wanting Martin to be a rotation player went far beyond his stats I did say that being a Spur wasn't going to make him more efficient, and while I agree nothing is definitive yet, that's being born out. As of yet, you have to hope the future bears your point out, because right now you don't have a leg to stand on.

you backed up your point using Twolves stats, that's a fact. My legs are totally fine and based on: Twolves stats are irrelevant, he has been hired to shoot the 3s and hand the ball, he does not need the ball in his hand and can play off the ball and contribute, he is serviceable on catch and shoot situation, for this price he is a fine signing and has not been hired to play only garbage time... so far there is nothing that breaks my legs...sorry

I never said, he'd play three per game. I did say he'd pretty much just play garbage time and injury time. And that's made up almost 80 percent of his minutes so far. And this is in the regular season after the Spurs are locked into their playoff spot.

I'm pretty sure you gave some mpg in previous threads. I gave some between 10 and 15 and my legs are again just fine.

Why do you keep lying about this over and over again?

smh... where did I keep lying ? over and over about what ?

Not really. Experience doesn't matter if you don't know the plays and your teammates. This isn't like Pop going with Jack over Green in 2012 (which was also a mistake, but whatever). Martin's pretty much played no minutes with the main guys. Anderson's been ahead of him in the rotation every game. That might now be a reason why Kyle SHOULD be ahead of Kevin, but it is damn sure evidence that he IS currently ahead of him.

Opinion again, mine is that experience matters and he has time to know the plays and teammates before POs start. Why this is not like Jack ? Jack knew the big 3 from 10 years ago... not that a big deal of difference

Ahead of him for almost same crap results, difference being one played 10 games the other 100.

Yes, it is, because it's based on speculation and not evidence.

oh because your opinion is based on evidence ? what evidences ? none

Anderson isn't not an end-of-bench player. He's usually the ninth man in the game. Simmons is an end-of-bench guy. Martin is between them.

question of definition I guess... what this changes to my point ? You think Pop has in mind the amount of minutes he will play KA knowing that against some match ups KA is useless ? I don't.

"That much" is subjective as . I don't think anyone feels he's getting like 15 mpg in every series. But I do think he'll be the guy ahead of Martin to get the scrap minutes unless he falls apart. Sometimes, that might be six minutes. Sometimes, it might be 20. I've resisted defining rotational roles by minutes for that reason.

This is why I wrote my opinion, opinions are subjectives, difference between you and me is that I don't try to travesty an opinion into objectivity and facts.

You do think (and I respect your opinion) he will be ahead, I don't or better I doubt it.

[Chinook]

you backed up your point using Twolves stats, that's a fact. My legs are totally fine and based on: Twolves stats are irrelevant, he has been hired to shoot the 3s and hand the ball, he does not need the ball in his hand and can play off the ball and contribute, he is serviceable on catch and shoot situation, for this price he is a fine signing and has not been hired to play only garbage time... so far there is nothing that breaks my legs...sorry

There's a lot in this that doesn't make sense.

, he has been hired to shoot the 3s and hand the ball, he does not need the ball in his hand and can play off the ball and contribute

Is he supposed to have the ball in his hands or not?

he does not need the ball in his hand and can play off the ball and contribute, he is serviceable on catch and shoot situation

Martin's rate of unassisted shots is right at his career average (just under 50 percent). He is taking the fewest three-point attempts per minute of any Spurs' floor-spacer (he's ahead of Parker and Anderson for guys who even take threes at all). It's true that his usage rate has dropped, but his efficiency has dropped right long with it (it's the worst one the team). The stats aren't 100-percent definitive (though they probably have a 90-percent confidence interval), but they aren't showing that Martin has been good in his role.

has not been hired to play only garbage time

The only wing he's ahead of currently is Simmons. He's only getting non-garbage-time minutes because of injuries.

so far there is nothing that breaks my legs

That you have no support for you points knocks the legs out from your argument.

I'm pretty sure you gave some mpg in previous threads. I gave some between 10 and 15 and my legs are again just fine.

You did say that. I didn't argue against that in the regular season. I didn't argue against Harlem's assertion that he should get those minutes in the playoffs.

smh... where did I keep lying ? over and over about what ?

It's in the part I quoted. I have never said the 10 games are definitive. However, I don't have to say that. You have the burden of proof, so when the numbers don't support you, it's an issue.

question of definition I guess... what this changes to my point ? You think Pop has in mind the amount of minutes he will play KA knowing that against some match ups KA is useless ?

Who is Anderson useless against? Who is Martin more useful against?

This is why I wrote my opinion, opinions are subjectives, difference between you and me is that I don't try to travesty an opinion into objectivity and facts.

Not really. Opinions need support. You're claiming Pop is going to change his rotation. You need evidence to assert that. I said he isn't, and I gave plenty of evidence to show that. Pop continuing to play Anderson first and for more minutes implies Kyle is ahead in the rotation. Martin being ineffective so far implies that's not moving toward a change. Nothing has to be statistically significant for my point to be supported.

[Brazil]

^ you are being obtuse...

you try to sell to me your speaking of support and evidence you don't have, I don't see the point of all of this

let us proceed

[Chinook]

^ you are being obtuse...

you try to sell to me your speaking of support and evidence you don't have, I don't see the point of all of this

let us proceed

The point is that Martin's sample size is actually getting large enough to be significant. And as it moves to that, it's shaping up like he's not a good player. More importantly, it's showing that he's not playing the role that you keep saying he's playing. That's even more obviously from watching him barely stand beyond the arc during plays.

There is no evidence to suggest Martin is going to overtake Anderson in the rotation. Kyle's minutes have gone up since Martin has signed, and he has remained ahead of him. That's really all that matters, because I am just asserting that there's no reason to believe it's going to change. You have to support your point, since you have the burden of proof. You've failed to do that, and saying that you don't like my evidence doesn't actually mean your point is stronger.

[Blake]

Now, Manu and Duncan are just too old to play enough minutes to fill the cracks.

No evidence of that being true.

Duncan had a 40+minute playoff game vs the Clippers last year.

Kawhi didn't, iirc.

[RD2191]

Chinook evolving into ChumpDumper right before our very eyes.

[Chinook]

Chinook evolving into ChumpDumper right before our very eyes.

You're going blue, Rob?

[Chinook]

No evidence of that being true.

Duncan had a 40+minute playoff game vs the Clippers last year.

Kawhi didn't, iirc.

Game Six.

And Manu only played 19 mpg last playoffs.

[Brazil]

you never give up on anything don't you... let's go again

The point is that Martin's sample size is actually getting large enough to be significant.

I disagree

And as it moves to that, it's shaping up like he's not a good player. More importantly, it's showing that he's not playing the role that you keep saying he's playing. That's even more obviously from watching him barely stand beyond the arc during plays.

For the contract and role he gets, he has the tool to be a good player. Last 4 games yes he struggled and played terrible, I have already acknowledged that

There is no evidence to suggest Martin is going to overtake Anderson in the rotation. Kyle's minutes have gone up since Martin has signed, and he has remained ahead of him. That's really all that matters, because I am just asserting that there's no reason to believe it's going to change. You have to support your point, since you have the burden of proof. You've failed to do that, and saying that you don't like my evidence doesn't actually mean your point is stronger.

There is no evidence he won't and I'm not even sure point is Martin PT vs. KA PT... last night both played 15 mn. Mart is playing significant minutes at SG anyway.

Spare me with burden of the proof this is not a scientific or religion debate.. we are talking about players contributing or not on a NBA team during POs, we are not debating existence of god.

[Brazil]

Chinook evolving into ChumpDumper right before our very eyes.

I mean wtf

Me: My opinion is
Chinook: Mine is better
Me: why
Chinook: evidence
Me: what evidence
Chinook: none but you have burden of the proof
Me: wtf...

[100%duncan]

He's been "shoehorned into a role"? What, exactly, is his role? You're the one who called him a stretch-4, just a day or two before. Actually, you've called him a wing, a stretch-4, and a point-forward. He's everything but a C, according to you. Yeah, that's a pretty amazing player to have.

When the resident bandwagon can't put her finger on exactly what he is, it's because he hasn't distinguished himself at any of those things. In the playoffs, he'll be facing guys who HAVE distinguished themselves at their positions. And that's why so few tweeners are factors on good teams. I've more than given Anderson the benefit of a doubt, but damned if I'm buying into the BS that he's some multi-faceted Diaw 2.0. He's a damn tweener. When he's a point, people crow because he's a TALL point, not because he's a really good point. When he's a big, people crow because he's a big who can put the ball on the floor, not because he's a really good big. That's pretty much the definition of tweener.

I notice you didn't comment on the fact that he's only made 2 3-pointers in a game twice. So the "stretch" is sort of a stretch. Don't blame me for noticing.

We have a winner!

[Chinook]

I disagree

Statistical significance isn't a matter of opinion.

For the contract and role he gets, he has the tool to be a good player. Last 4 games yes he struggled and played terrible, I have already acknowledged that

And that's fine. But for a bigger role like you're suggesting he could/should get, it's not okay.

There is no evidence he won't

And that doesn't matter. When you have the burden a proof, it's not enough to assert you haven't been proven wrong.

Spare me with burden of the proof this is not a scientific or religion debate.. we are talking about players contributing or not on a NBA team during POs, we are not debating existence of god.

Burden of proof is an element to any discussion. This conversation is no more or less important than arguing about god. We aren't talking about something we can control, so we're just shooting the . But when you are suggesting something will happen and can't support that, you're just pissing in wind. It's not unreasonable at all to expect you to defend your point.

Now that doesn't mean you can't think what you want. And it doesn't mean you won't end up being right. But as of right now, you don't have any support.

I'm not even sure point is Martin PT vs. KA PT... last night both played 15 mn. Mart is playing significant minutes at SG anyway.

The point is only that to show that Pop isn't moving Martin into the rotation. Last night was the closest he's come to giving Martin an audition, and Kevin didn't get it done. I don't know who Pop wants to play more, but it doesn't seem like he's giving Martin the nod based on experience. He moved Diaw right into the starting lineup after he signed. So it's not like he normally puts buyout candidates on the deep bench.

[Chinook]

I mean wtf

Me: My opinion is
Chinook: Mine is better
Me: why
Chinook: evidence
Me: what evidence
Chinook: none but you have burden of the proof
Me: wtf...

Actually, you responded to me (out of the blue). So you were the one asserting your opinion was better. When you make a claim, you have to back it up. You seem to just continuously throw out your opinion on this without actually evolving it. The closest you've come is saying that Martin's stats on both teams don't matter. That's not true and doesn't even address most of what I was saying. But even if it was, your points don't get stronger.

[Brazil]

Statistical significance isn't a matter of opinion.

oh yes it is. proof is you consider than 10 games, 100 mn is statiscally significant, I don't. prove me wrong.

And that's fine. But for a bigger role like you're suggesting he could/should get, it's not okay.

what bigger role am I suggesting ? I say from the very beginning 10-15 mpg and not just garbage time when team is up 30.

And that doesn't matter. When you have the burden a proof, it's not enough to assert you haven't been proven wrong.



Burden of proof is an element to any discussion. This conversation is no more or less important than arguing about god. We aren't talking about something we can control, so we're just shooting the . But when you are suggesting something will happen and can't support that, you're just pissing in wind. It's not unreasonable at all to expect you to defend your point.

Now that doesn't mean you can't think what you want. And it doesn't mean you won't end up being right. But as of right now, you don't have any support.

this conversation is way less important than speaking god.

I in fact don't even understand what you expect with your burden of proof, we are talking projections, future based on what we think we know about bb. I say basically you don't hire a player like K Mart to play garbage minutes like if he was a 30rd draft pick in his rookie year. I also say he has the tool to be a good fit for a 10-15 mpg role. What the of proof you need ?

The point is only that to show that Pop isn't moving Martin into the rotation. Last night was the closest he's come to giving Martin an audition, and Kevin didn't get it done. I don't know who Pop wants to play more, but it doesn't seem like he's giving Martin the nod based on experience. He moved Diaw right into the starting lineup after he signed. So it's not like he normally puts buyout candidates on the deep bench.

like last night KA passed successfully his audition or the rest of his season dude has a per of 12, shoot almost as bad as Kobe from 3... his lack of lateral quickness is lethal, he is hesitant, disrupt offense by passing up open 3s on the regular.

At this point you play him in POs because you have no other option... I do ing hope KMart can get his together to not be obliged to rely on KA in POs tbh... After 10 games I consider we don't know yet what we will have, after 100 games and 1,400 mn with the Spurs we pretty much know what we have with KA and what we have stinks.

[Brazil]

Actually, you responded to me (out of the blue). So you were the one asserting your opinion was better. When you make a claim, you have to back it up. You seem to just continuously throw out your opinion on this without actually evolving it. The closest you've come is saying that Martin's stats on both teams don't matter. That's not true and doesn't even address most of what I was saying. But even if it was, your points don't get stronger.

You are being obtuse a lot tbh

I never claimed my opinion is better, I said this is my opinion and she is at valid as yours that's a bit different than saying mine is better because yours is not supported by whatever proof and mine was fist so I don't need to prove anything. I have developped this opinion over and over with you taking stats, drawing comparaison with other players on this thread and on other threads, you just choose to not read.

I said Twolves stat don't matter because the roles will be totally different and both teams systems are totally different and 10 games is small size sample... this is quite different than "Martin's stats on both teams don't matter"

[spursistan]

Martin hasn't shown anything thus far for him to leapfrog Kyle in rotation..In fact, he has made cutting Butler look like mistake considering the latter body of work for 60+ games..I'm not sure he can make a late push for a niche role at this point with 5 games left..His dismal shooting has met a consistent trend of previous seasons notwithstanding the system he evolves in...

[Chinook]

you consider than 10 games, 100 mn is statiscally significant

You need to stop lying about this. That's all it can be described as at this point. I've said in almost every response to you in this thread that it's not statistically significant yet. I really have. At this point, you're not even reading what I've said. However, just because it's statistically significant doesn't mean it doesn't have informative value. Martin has been bad so far. We can all admit that, even if the stats wouldn't pass with a 99-percent confidence interval. That doesn't mean he won't end up being better.

what bigger role am I suggesting ? I say from the very beginning 10-15 mpg

That's a bigger role than he is currently slated to get. When the team is healthy, Martin is getting very few non garbage-time minutes. This is why mpg is a horrible way to measure a role, especially for the Spurs, since they rest guys so often and have a lot of blowouts.

this conversation is way less important than speaking god.

It's not any more important. We don't affect the outcome, so we're just talking. If we were mods trying to talk about who to ban, then that's a more important conversation.

I say basically you don't hire a player like K Mart to play garbage minutes like if he was a 30rd draft pick in his rookie year. I also say he has the tool to be a good fit for a 10-15 mpg role. What the of proof you need ?

That is just your opinion and is something I haven't really attacked. I don't think Pop promised him anything, but whatever. It's when you try to extend that opinion into a constructive and rebuttal that I take issue. A constructive needs support. You can't just turtle back into "it's just my opinion." We can totally agree to disagree on what we think Martin's role will be, and I think we already have. But as long as you make assertions, they're open for discussion.

[QUOTE] like last night KA passed successfully his audition or the rest of his season dude has a per of 12, shoot almost as bad as Kobe from 3... his lack of lateral quickness is lethal, he is hesitant, disrupt offense by passing up open 3s on the regular.[/QUOTE]

Martin's been hurting the offense nearly as much by not going to the corner and getting run off the line. He's not getting the whistle either, so he'd just throwing up mess after every shot. Anderson is at least a plus on defense.

At this point you play him in POs because you have no other option... I do ing hope KMart can get his together to not be obliged to rely on KA in POs tbh...

I think Anderson will get the first crack at it. If he fails, it'll go to Martin or Miller. I don't think him having an average game for his standards would be considered a failure, though. But yes, I hope Martin gets his together too.

After 10 games I consider we don't know yet what we will have

He's gotten more chances than most 10-day guys do on two tries. Is it definitive, no. But it's good enough to know he's currently playing poorly.

after 100 games and 1,400 mn with the Spurs we pretty much know what we have with KA and what we have stinks.

So that's why SAG thinks you guys are hating. Anderson hasn't stunk by most standards, especially for a bench player. A guy with the lowest USG% on the team is going to struggle with PER. They are very closely linked. His defensive stats are great. When he's on, his offense is really good, too. We can keep pretending like he's a bad player, but he really isn't. He's just clearly the fourth-best wing right now. Clearly in both ways.

[Chinook]

I never claimed my opinion is better, I said this is my opinion and she is at valid as yours that's a bit different than saying mine is better because yours is not supported by whatever proof and mine was fist so I don't need to prove anything. I have developped this opinion over and over with you taking stats, drawing comparaison with other players on this thread and on other threads, you just choose to not read.

All right, let's both through this. I gave the initial opinion that Martin sucks, using a few different arguments to extend that. You picked one to latch onto (stats) and asserted continuously why Martin's Minny stats didn't matter, because he'd be better in a spot-up role with the Spurs. So now, he's been awful with the Spurs and hasn't even been a spot-up player. The only reason why you haven't admitted you were wrong is because you are clinging to the idea that these stats aren't statistically significant, which in your mind means they can be completely ignored. That's not true.

But that's separate from the conversation about the fourth-wing spot. My argument was that it's Anderson's to lose because he's been playing ahead of Martin and has been playing better. Your argument is that Pop didn't bring Martin in to sit on the bench. My counter was essentially, "You can think that all you want, but as long as Anderson keeps playing over Martin, you're just clinging to a subjective view." Then you tried to counter by saying there's no evidence that Anderson has been better than Martin, which is VERY false, but whatever. My point was that since I'm just asserting that nothing is going to change, you have the burden of proof. Until you show why they're going to or at least should flip, you're opinion is unsupported by any evidence.

I said Twolves stat don't matter because the roles will be totally different and both teams systems are totally different and 10 games is small size sample... this is quite different than "Martin's stats on both teams don't matter"

That is saying both don't matter, but for different reasons. but the reality is that he's pretty much been the same player at both places. Only difference here is that he's deferring more when better players are out there and pressing more when they aren't. But so far, it seems with both sets agree with each other.

[cutewizard]

i have a gut feeling that Kyle Anderson is gonna be big for us in the playoffs THIS YEAR......

i dont know who basta i know it...............

[SAGirl]

Your opinion not a fact



Again opinion



Because now you are the one to draw the line regarding what is objective or not.

So let me give me objectivity... KA sucks... If you disagree it is because you are not objective

He has played 70 games for this team averaging 15 minutes. This is a stacked veteran team and he is a kid in comparison. Has started 9 games, every game Kawhi has missed and some that Tim missed. Lol He's helped us to the amazing record we have in several games we were understaffed. I think you are the biased player fan (Tony fan? Is Tony inspiring this hate toward young teammates?). You try to avoid the tag of hater but you are. No scrub 22 yr old would have played for Pop that many minutes and games. Brazil=Kyle hater.

[SAGirl]

i have a gut feeling that Kyle Anderson is gonna be big for us in the playoffs THIS YEAR......

i dont know who basta i know it...............

I foresee a few hate threads directed at Pop when he starts logging playoff minutes for us. I will be laughing at home. and giving you a cyber-high-five!

[Blake]

I foresee a few hate threads directed at Pop when he starts logging playoff minutes for us. I will be laughing at home. and giving you a cyber-high-five!

you remind me of this one fan that used to defend Rasho to the death back when Spurs Report was bustling.

You could simply say "Nazr>Rasho" and a 5 paragraph rant would ensue. It was hilarious.

[dabom]

^ you are being obtuse...

you try to sell to me your speaking of support and evidence you don't have, I don't see the point of all of this

let us proceed

[dabom]

You are being obtuse a lot tbh

I never claimed my opinion is better, I said this is my opinion and she is at valid as yours that's a bit different than saying mine is better because yours is not supported by whatever proof and mine was fist so I don't need to prove anything. I have developped this opinion over and over with you taking stats, drawing comparaison with other players on this thread and on other threads, you just choose to not read.

I said Twolves stat don't matter because the roles will be totally different and both teams systems are totally different and 10 games is small size sample... this is quite different than "Martin's stats on both teams don't matter"

[dabom]

Everyone can clearly see KA is a sack of right? If you can't, your a dumbass. Negative RPM.